"There is never any justification for destroying materials that any reasonable person would believe might be requested in a civil or criminal proceeding,"

" .... lawyers within the White House and the Justice Department had in 2003 advised against a plan to destroy them ...."

Oh no! That can't be true~!

Bush is an idiot who also pulls all the intricate levers of government in infinite control! Bush knows how long it take a HHSEEMPR secretary to pee!

He must have personally ordered the destruction of these tapes!

I-M-P-E-A-C-H!

I-M-P-E-A-C-H!

SCREECH!

I-M-P-E-A-C-H!

S-C-R-E-E-C-H!

S-C-R-E-E-E-E-E-C-H!

I-M-P-E-A-C-H!!

Dear God Vernon, you're an idiot.

The lesson of Watergate, which Cheney took to what's left of his heart, is destroy all the evidence of your crimes.

vernon , so I bet you did not have a problem when the Clinton FBI files disappeared, which is nothing compared to this scandal.

"There is no controlling legal authority that says this was in violation of law."

Slick do the Quotation marks give it more weight, in your mind?

Slick do the Quotation marks give it more weight, in your mind?
No but if you say this, you get the Nobel "Piece" Prize.

LOL I thought so.

Slick avoid the quotes it only makes people wonder who actually said it.

There are still a few out there who don't know most of your facts come out of your ass.

Military lawyers are, first of all and always, lawyers, which means they live by no clear standards of right or wrong. That means they are Leftists. As Leftists they are just whores.

In the military I knew a bunch of lawyers. Their job is to argue on behalf of their client, regardless of what is right or wrong. A lawyer who prosecuted for years might suddenly be the defense, and they all felt this was OK.

Just whores. Just Lefties

Posted by vernon

There are still a few out there who don't know most of your facts come out of your ass.
So your saying the quote I gave was fiction?

There are still a few out there who don't know most of your facts come out of your ass.
So your saying the quote I gave was fiction?


No I asked if you thought the quotes gave it more weight. I also said most of your facts are at best questionable

Your quoted statement is not relevance because it could be on a totaly different subject. And without indicating the author its real merit can't be weighed.

I'm quite sure someone has said "There is no controlling legal authority that says this was in violation of law."

It could be Bush on his missing Military records.

I'll bet the dems won't quit there. Tapes like that made public would blow lots of cover and clasified information.

Yes, it's only Dems who blow cover and give out classified info.

Why is this a Dem / Repub thing? It appears to me that both the Dems and Repubs are upset by this, the administrations lawyers said don't destroy the tapes after all.

Are you partisan hacks here that pathetic that somehow this is a Dem v. Repub thing?

BigJ - to Sniper, there is no black or white, or even grey. There is no right or wrong. There is only Dems and Repubs. That is his world. Pathetic, but true.

Tapes like that made public would blow lots of cover... -- Sniper

Riiiiiiiight... until the major news organizations and movie studies share pixillation technology with the CIA, there's no way to protect the identities of the torturers.

Are you partisan hacks here that pathetic that somehow this is a Dem v. Repub thing?

Posted by bigjohn_1972

Who raised the issue? Who got briefed on it several years ago and didn't say anything then but is crying the loudest now? It shouldn't even be an issue but it has turned into a ploy to make the republicans look like a bunch of blood thursty crazies.

It shouldn't be a public issue, If it was so bad it should have been taken care of when everyone was briefed way back when.

Don't tell me I am making politics out of it.

Like I said yesterday, destroying the tapes was not a crime so let it rest. We don't need any further investigation into the matter of what was done to the tapes. The dems in congress are just trying to stur the shit so they can win the election.

It shouldn't even be an issue but it has turned into a ploy to make the republicans look like a bunch of blood thursty crazies.


No Iraq took care of that.

Destroying evidence requested by a court in any case is a crime. End of story.

"There is no controlling legal authority that says this was in violation of law."

Slick thinks that this distortion of the law about campaign fund raising by a previous VP is bad. So it is. Pales into insignificance though compared to this distortion of the law, morality, ethics and humanity issued on behalf of the current VP.

"acts must be of an extreme nature to rise to the level of torture" (within the meaning of the Convention Against Torture as ratified by Congress). "The infliction of pain or suffering ... is insufficient to amount to torture." "Pain or suffering must be severe." "To amount to torture, an act must be equivalent in intensity to the pain accompanying serious physical injury, such as organ failure or even death."

From Cheney's minion to Cheney to Bush's authorization. Must make The Slickster proud to be a Republican.

Destroying evidence requested by a court in any case is a crime. End of story.

Posted by navyvet50

They were destroyed before the tapes were ask for. I guess that would make it a crime in your half closed little eyes.

What court requested them? It was the democrats in congress that made the request.

Among the techniques described, said two officials present, was waterboarding, a practice that years later would be condemned as torture by Democrats and some Republicans on Capitol Hill. But on that day, no objections were raised. Instead, at least two lawmakers in the room asked the CIA to push harder, two U.S. officials said. The briefer was specifically asked if the methods were tough enough," said a U.S. official who witnessed the exchange.

I guess you guys didn't read this yesterday.

As Phoenix said, there's not reason they couldn't have pixelated the faces, put it on a new tape, and destroyed the original, to save the operator's identities.


They were destroyed before the tapes were ask for.


And that makes it ok?

Pelosi knew of this waterboarding!

And? She's no better than the Pubs who are now denying they knew about it.

Why did Monica have to swallow? Couldn't she just fake it?

Just HAD to.

Monica didn't swallow had Monica swallowed there would have been no "Food" upon the blue dress.

Larry Mohr

Waterboarding is one issue, the destruction of the tapes is another, completely different issue.

Its meeting with bipartisan concern because it's being seen as an Executive Fuck You to Congress. No Conressman or Senator is going to be happy to hear that any government agency appears to have ignored Congressional or Judicial authority - regardless of the party affiliations involved.

Like the constant calls of "Executive Priviledge", things like this can put the system dangerously out of balance, and that's a threat to everyone. Out government answers to the American people via our elected representatives. They don't get to say "No". National security can require limitations, but we can never let it just be used as an all-pupose STFU. This should be investigated - that's not to say that any law was broken, but the facts need to be determined and made public.

The whole thing stinks if you ask me.
How come the decider now claims he did not know anything about it till last week.
Are we supposed to believe that these tapes if leaked can risk our CIA agents who are conducting the interrogations?
I have an idea
Give ME the video camera,I will tape everything EXCEPT the face of the CIA agent.
Great idea
how come no one thought of it before

"If somebody had said, You cannot destroy them,' we would not have destroyed them."

Funny how some folks really really really really need to be told when to do the right thing.

It must be a lack of firm home schooling and Sunday school that kept these unfortunate Agents from recognizing when to do right and when they are doing wrong.

Earth to CIA: Somebody wants to tell you not to do evil. The bad guys became bad guys that way. The good guys (once) knew when to stop before they got there.

Regards,
etc.

Let's see now.
1) These terrorists were being held 1/2 a world away in a prison owned and operated by other foreign interests of ours; like maybe Saudi Arabia or maybe Turkey or maybe Israel.

2) The interrogation was supervised and carried out with approval of the CIA BUT, and this is important, the actual interrogation was carried out by non Americans.

3) I say who cares. Should not have taped anything in the first place. Ask them a question, get a wrong answer shoot the bastards in the knee and then ask it again and again. Maybe cut off a nut or two or a finger or two but get the answers to save the lives of hundreds of thousands of others.

You woosies who think being nice need a lesson or two in reality.

Suck it up and accept the fact there are those who need to be water boarded and even more. Cry , weep, moan and bitch but it happened over seas and out of the jurisdiction of any Liberal American court or judge. That is why these things happen in far away lands you stupid idiots. Cannot get it done here so go elsewhere and let others take care of the finger breaking.

Reality is it got done.
Read and weep

They were destroyed before the tapes were ask for.

And that makes it ok?

Posted by ddenton

Yes it does. No law was broken when they were destroyed. Now the dems want them so they can sling mud at the GOP and that makes it against the law in your mind. Try to keep your facts straight. The question is not what was on the tapes but that they were destroyed.

Yes it does. No law was broken when they were destroyed. Now the dems want them so they can sling mud at the GOP and that makes it against the law in your mind. Try to keep your facts straight.
Posted by Sniper at 2007-12-12 09:26 AM

YEAH?!

"WASHINGTON -- The Bush administration was under court order not to discard evidence of detainee torture and abuse months before the CIA destroyed videotapes that revealed some of its harshest interrogation tactics."

Um, a "court order not to discard evidence" and then doing so anyway isn't a breach of "The Law"?
You will say anything won't you!

"After three days of screaming headlines about the CIA destroying videotapes in 2005 of the harsh' interrogation of two terrorists, it now comes to light that in 2002 key members of Congress were fully briefed by the CIA about those interrogation techniques, including waterboarding. One member of that Congressional delegation was the future House Speaker, Nancy Pelosi... Porter Goss, the former chair of the House Intelligence Committee who later served as CIA director from 2004 to 2006 is explicit about what happened in these meetings: Among those being briefed, there was a pretty full understanding of what the CIA was doing. And the reaction in the room was not just approval, but encouragement.' In all, the CIA provided Congress with some 30 briefings on waterboarding before it became a public issue... One certainly may hold as abhorrent the idea of aggressively interrogating any terrorists ever, either for fear of what they might do to our people, as John McCain does, or because one thinks this violates our values. What one may not do--at least not if one wants the system to function--is assent to such a policy in 2002 and then, when the policy is made public, put up the pretense that one is shocked' and appalled to learn of it. This is bad faith." --The Wall Street Journal