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Friday, December 07, 2007

Former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee has vaulted over his major GOP challengers to take a commanding lead in the race to win the Iowa caucuses, a new NewsWeek poll shows. The ordained Southern Baptist minister now leads Romney by a two-to-one margin, 39 percent to 17 percent, among likely GOP caucus-goers. In the last NewsWeek survey, conducted Sept. 26-27, Huckabee polled a mere 6 percent to Romney's 25 percent, which then led the field.

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It's Iowa. It's a caucus. Who gives a shit?

Farewell Mormon boy!

Rudy/Huckabee 2008!!!!

Like we need ANOTHER former Arkansas governor in the white house.

Like we can stand another dammed holyroller!

Rudy/Huckabee 2008!!!!

Dunno about that, Bowa. With the current trend it could well be Huckabee/Rudy 2008.

I know, Lets vote none of the above!! I figured it out. We really haven't had a good president for decades. Including clinton(used car salesman) the reason being...what do all the politcians have in common? Come on think about it. They are all frickin lawyers. If their mouths are moving, their telling a lie

I know, Lets vote none of the above!!

No thanks.

www.noneoftheabove-tn.org

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His lead will not last long. The left objects to his religion, and the right objects to his tax increases.

His lead will not last long. The left objects to his religion, and the right objects to his tax increases.

The Left is going to object to pretty much any Republican candidate with the exception of Ron Paul... and despite what the RP fanatics say, he is a non-contender.

As for Huckabee... there is no perfect candidate in this race. In regards to his tax increases, that can be over looked for several reasons:

1. He was governor of a state with different needs at the time than the country has now.

2. Secondly he has been vocal on supporting the Fair Tax... something that I think many on the Right can get behind. The Fair Tax would make the tax increase argument moot.

It's Iowa. It's a caucus. Who gives a shit? ... Posted by Redman

Amen to that. Here's what Wikipedia has to say:

Republican Party process

"For the Republicans, the Iowa caucus follows (and should not be confused with) the Iowa Straw Poll in August of the preceding year .... The Republican caucuses are a straw poll where each voter casts his or her vote by secret ballot. The non-binding results are tabulated and reported to the state party which releases the results to the media. Delegates from the precinct caucuses go on to the County Convention....zzzzzzzzzzzzzz"

What's the Iowa straw poll? Who knows, who cares? Feel confused? Thought so. Give a shit? Thought not.

Democratic Party process

"The process used by the Democrats is more complicated than the Republican Party caucus process......zzzzzzzzzzzzz"

Surprise, surprise.

The Democrats have even managed to make sure that their caucus(whatever it is) on January 3 coincides with the kickoff for the Orange Bowl between Kansas and Virginia Tech. This could be bad news for Obama who will be relying on the college vote and good news for Hillary because presumably most of her supporters would not give a shit about a football game.



We shouldn't forget that it wasn't many years ago when Iowa made the news when the state board of education wanted to introduce Creationism into public schools. This is a wacko state.

But not as wacko as you, Ray. :-)

Your obsession with Christians, or any religion is (but especially Christians) is bordering on psychosis.

"As for Huckabee... there is no perfect candidate in this race. In regards to his tax increases, that can be over looked for several reasons:

1. He was governor of a state with different needs at the time than the country has now.

2. Secondly he has been vocal on supporting the Fair Tax... something that I think many on the Right can get behind. The Fair Tax would make the tax increase argument moot."



If I HAD to vote TODAY, I would probably vote for Huckabee, his support of the "Fair Tax" being the deciding factor. That, and the fact he's not a lawyer, are selling points IMO.

It's going to be Hillary vs Mitt. Might as well just get on with the vote.

It's going to be Hillary vs Mitt. Might as well just get on with the vote.

Dunno, more and more right now that is starting to look like a bogus prediction. Hillary is down and falling... and so is Mitt. Neither seems to hold the lead right now.

At the moment, most of that is in Iowa, but this is going to give Huckabee and Obama a huge boost, and at least in the case of Huckabee a lot of free attention from the media. That can only help him if he plays it cool.

Huckabee won't last. He will experience "Willie Horton part 2" in the coming months.

"It's going to be Hillary vs Mitt. Might as well just get on with the vote."

A couple of weeks ago I would have said Hillary for sure, but now I have a seed of doubt. Rasmussen has her favorable/unfavorable ratings at 44%/55%. Her unfavorable rating is highest of ANY candidate and keeps climbing. I wouldn't count her out though. The republican nomination is really still up for grabs.

Its amazing how screwy our electoral system is that anybody gives a shit what a few Iowans think.. Ron Paul 2008

I predicted a Huckabee/Obama race a few weeks ago.

I'm still curious why all the tax raising talk. No one raised taxes more than Ronald Reagan and Bush 41 combined. At least Reagan had the pragmatism to try and forstall defecits, even though he managed to vault the national debt into the trillions for the first time in U.S. history.

The right wanted this war and they shouldn't bitch about having to pay for it. The projected cost is going to reach 3 trillion in expenditures already incurred and those yet to be incurred in replacing military hardware wearing out in the sands of Iraq.

I'm a bit late to the party, but I'd like to add a point or two if I may.

Now, Huckabee supports the Fair Tax. I like either this or a Forbes-style Flat Tax (going off of memory here, 17% of gross after the first $13000). Now, I won't lie to you, I like either of those ideas because both of those ideas would end up making my tax burden (at the federal level) lower by anywhere from $800 to $1000 annually. So I have selfish reasons for liking those two plans. Of course, they also are both a hell of a lot easier than what we're using now.

However I wouldn't be able to support Huckabee because I doubt more than just a little that he'd be able to keep his religion out of his policy making. The worst of it his, I feel fairly certain that his beliefs any my beliefs on at least a reasonable majority of the social issues that our nation faces coincide. But those where we don't agree... if his reason for disagreeing with me is "God says so", and not "the people that have elected me here say so", I can't abide by that. If it's the people's decision, regardless of how they come about that decision, I can live with that. But if it's one guy talking to God and saying, "Well, my version of God says you all have to live this way, so that's the way it's gonna be"... no.

Actually, I have to take a very close look at all of the candidates now. I may really have to run for the Presidency next year if they all look like they're gonna do that.

I predicted a Huckabee/Obama race a few weeks ago.

somebody on PBS was saying that without the fear factor of Iran and Iraq and the palestinian issue, people will move away from Hillary and RudiG.

of course, there are a lot of other reasons to move away from either, but if things stay the way they are, it could happen.

Huckabee said, "I feel homosexuality is an aberrant, unnatural, and sinful lifestyle, and we now know it can pose a dangerous public health risk."

Maybe that is red meat for the religious right but it won't fly in the big moderate states that Rudy leads in by double digits.

It may even knock him out of the running for VP

I don't think Giuliani is as moderate as you think he is, Bowa. It might just be paranoia (make no mistake, I don't trust any-damn-body, I think I made that clear over time), but I still get a negative twitch about him.

I don't think Giuliani is as moderate as you think he is, Bowa. It might just be paranoia (make no mistake, I don't trust any-damn-body, I think I made that clear over time), but I still get a negative twitch about him.

He's Pro-choice, pro-gun control, pro-civil unions -- that's pretty damn "progressive" if you ask me.

He's also for lower taxes, universal health care through tax credits, school vouchers, continuing the patriot act and the war on terror, shutting down the borders, deporting all illegals now in jail and putting strict constructionist judges like Alito and Roberts on the bench.

Add it all up and Rudy is a GOP moderate,

OBAMA/OPRAH rally on C-SPAN live right now

10 Ways to Spot an Evangelical Republican

Now that Mitt Romney and Mike Huckabee have defined faith for us, the following is my offering to assist voters in determining how to qualify for entry into the GOP's evangelical enclave.

Commentary By: Daniel DiRito
The Top Ten Ways To Identify An Evangelical Republican:

Number Ten:

They're opposed to sectarian conflict in Iraq but in favor of sectarian politics in the United States.

Number Nine:

They're opposed to homosexuality and same-sex relationships but they'll vote for a presidential candidate who does drag and lived with two gay men if he can beat Hillary Clinton and her "typically" unfaithful heterosexual husband.

Number Eight:

They wouldn't dare vote for a Clinton given Bill's disgraceful sexual antics in the White House but they're happy to support a candidate who used New York City funds to carry on an adulterous affair.

Number Seven:

They criticize Democratic candidates for suggesting they would only nominate pro-choice judges to uphold the law of the land while they require their own candidates to pass religious litmus tests in conflict with the law of the land.

Number Six:

They're in favor of abstinence only sex education even if it leads to more unwed teen pregnancies and more parent sponsored abortions (call it the evangelical version of NIMBY - not in my back yard; NIMBU - not in my babygirls uterus).

Number Five:

They're in favor of the separation of church and state if it involves opposing a congressional inquiry into the fundraising and spending habits of leading televangelists but opposed to the separation when it comes to selecting a presidential nominee.

Number Four:

They support candidates who endorse more funding for AIDS in Africa while embracing a candidate who favored quarantining AIDS patients in America as well as having Hollywood fund AIDS research instead of the government.

Number Three:

They tout Ronald Reagan as their political icon despite the fact that he was unable to acknowledge the toll of HIV on gays in America or even utter the word AIDS ... while they and their church's now run around talking about saving Africa from the ravages of HIV ... as long as it doesn't involve condoms.

Number Two:

They talk about their Christian values while they favor denying health care treatment to the children of illegal immigrants. Family values apparently stop at the waters edge (that would be the Rio Grande river).

Number One:

They'll never make enough money to truly benefit from George Bush's tax cuts for the rich or condemn his doubling of the national debt but they're happy to call the Democratic candidates who supported an increase in minimum wage and favor a national health care system unacceptable tax and spend liberals.

Bonus Qualifier:

They abhor the fact that Jesus was tortured, mocked, and condemned to death without due process but they're damn sure in favor of waterboarding and disregarding the principle of habeas corpus while indefinitely imprisoning war on terror detainees.

N'oubliez pas mes amis! Hillary is fatally flawed, as in "Republicans will hold the house" in the '06 elections!

New Hampshire will correct this 'gap'.

All right, let me go through here, and preface the whole thing with the "If he's telling us the truth" (Like I say, Bowa, I'm just... it's a spidey-sense kinda thing, but I just don't trust the guy). Here's the quote, and I'll add my comments in brackets to differentiate:

He's Pro-choice [he's personally against it, if I remember correctly, but ultimately won't work against it, which is good] pro-gun control, [bit of a shame here; if he's just saying he's against civilians owning anti-tank weaponry and full-autos, then okay, I can go along, but I don't know, haven't had a chance to look] pro-civil unions [bloody excellent here, I officially give Giuliani kudos for this one] -- that's pretty damn "progressive" if you ask me.

He's also for lower taxes,
[again kudos, but what's he going to do to get them down, I don't know where he is with regards to cutting the spending, what's he going to propose we cut] universal health care through tax credits, [hmm... not sure if I agree with him on this or not; I'd have to know more on how it'd work] school vouchers, [I'm against this; I'd prefer to see private schools lower their costs a bit and make it more enticing for people to send the kids there on their own, sounds like more of a free market solution to me] continuing the patriot act and the war on terror, [parts of the Act, absolutely, but you know that folks will squawk about loss of civil liberties on this, and parts of the Act (this is just me talking) should be discontinued, because they will allow for abuse as they are written currently, regardless of who holds office; some nutbag will do it, don't care what political party he is] shutting down the borders, [hell yes!] deporting all illegals now in jail, [again, hell yes] and putting strict constructionist judges like Alito and Roberts on the bench. [do you mean strict Constitutionalist judges here? And of course the hot button Constitutional issue is RvW. If he wants to put people on the bench that will actually be strict Constitutionalists (which would overturn this because it ought to be a states' rights issue), then all right; if on the other hand he wants to go ths route because the folks he's put up are strictly "pro-life", then no, because I don't see socially conservative judges on the Court (who might, and in some cases would, reduce our personal liberties, and therefore our personal responsibilities, because they think people shouldn't "live like that because we don't agree with it"... then no.)

Add it all up and Rudy is a GOP moderate, [sounds almost, almost like a Goldwater Republican. And if he proves out that way, I can in fact get behind him. But I've got to see the proof that he'll prove out that way first.]

(Man I hope I proofed this correctly.)

Crap, I knew I forgot one.

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