The Central Intelligence Agency in 2005 destroyed at least two videotapes documenting the interrogation of two Al Qaeda operatives in the agency's custody,...


I could care less. al Qaeda and Bush's neverending "war on terror" mean about as much to me anymore as that stupid bin Ladin tape that pops up like clockwork before every election -- nothing.

General Hayden's statement said that the tapes posed a "serious security risk," and that if they were to become public they would have exposed C.I.A. officials "and their families to retaliation from Al Qaeda and its sympathizers."


kind of like becoming public by having your name published in a newspaper.

The real reason they destroyed them is because they are covering their asses on the torture.
We all know that!

They can't have the Populace know how dastardly they have been. It's Save Your Asses time. Bunch of shit if You ask Me.

Larry Mohr

kind of like becoming public by having your name published in a newspaper.
Yeah, then they might have to be concerned with their past "secret spying assignments". They might even have to admit they enjoy the celebrity status after they were "outed" and turn down an offer to pose in playboy.

Stupid comparison truthburps. Your hero was never undercover or never covert.

Your hero was never undercover or never covert.



actually she was stop lying.




He said the worries about the impact a leak of the tapes might have in the Muslim world were real.

not the actions causing the impact, the release of the tapes documenting the actions...

mmmmm moral pretzels

and that if they were to become public they would have exposed C.I.A. officials "and their families to retaliation

Good point. Look what happened to Valerie Plame and all she did was point out a little fib of GWB's.

It's hard to believe our gov'ment would do something like this...

Oh well, if we are stupid enough to believe our religious crap and idealogical crap, then this crap ought to be easy to swallow.

Nobody expects...the Spanish Inquisition.

I'm quite sure, recorded or "not," that there is a whole laundry list of methods used on more than a few individuals that went well beyond the comfy chair.

And anyone who steadfastly believes Lil'Boots when junior gets on the TV and reassures us all that we don't torture, needs no prompting from me to remove their cranium from their rectum. How they got up there in the first place is beyond me.

All jokes aside, aren't any of you getting the lest bit tired of being constantly lied to like you deserve it?

Arn't you assholes that defend this kind of stuff getting tired of being antiAmerican pieces of shit?

This has nothing to do with torture.
The CIA is merely protecting its Super Heroes.
If the tapes showed torture, the Democratics would've run them by now.
God bless America.
Fuck you and your douchekins.
Happy Holidays,
Bow Wow
Wissie
Wobbie
101 (posthumously)
and all the other fucktards who wouldn't fess up even if they were waterboarded because they're too fucking stoopid to see the truth hiding in plain sight

SLICKSTER knows she was covert, all the righties do by now but they just think if they keep repeating the lie it somehow exhonerates those who are guilty of treason.
Quite simply SLICKSTER is a liar and he knows it.

All jokes aside, aren't any of you getting the lest bit tired of being constantly lied to like you deserve it?
Because it will never change....

Arn't you assholes that defend this kind of stuff getting tired of being antiAmerican pieces of shit?

No.
God bless America.
Fuck you and your douchekins.
Happy Holidays,
Bow Wow
Wissie
Wobbie
101 (posthumously)
and all the other fucktards who wouldn't fess up even if they were waterboarded because they're too fucking stoopid to see the truth hiding in plain sight

"All jokes aside, aren't any of you getting the lest bit tired of being constantly lied to like you deserve it?"

Yes, we actually are tired of your posts.

Americaqn Propigandist,
MSNBC is owned by General Electric.
General Electric is one of the top 5 military industrial corporations on the planet, And one of the largest private contractors in Iraq. They have made tons of money from the war, while the American people have aquired all of the debt.
You should be ashamed of yourself, and change your name to something other than American, because you don't have a clue about being a true American.

christ lyingwilly the woman is making the best of a bad situation, the american way aint it.

you associate her with Playboy cause some asshole columnists implies since she is hot she should pose for playboy?

what a lying sack of shit you are.

Yes, we actually are tired of your posts.

Danni just asked JeffNDenmark to stop posting.

More stupid actions from a very stupid person.

Just for the record in case you forgot:

Compliments of the due diligence of our "Legislative branch", If you want to have an open wi-fi access point at your local coffee shop or Buffalo Wild Wings, you need to keep strict records of all people connecting to your access point and what they are accessing.

But if you torture for the CIA, all records for that will be destroyed for concern that you may held accountable for your actions.


Only in America.

Wow- great article AU!



We could make a fortune if we waterboarded Uncle Dick and showed it on Pay Per View.

you associate her with Playboy cause some asshole columnists implies since she is hot she should pose for playboy?

what a lying sack of shit you are.
NoTruthInHurting, I gave a link where she is quoted. I dont' associate her with anything but being an opportunist.

Oh, the suffering she has seen.

Valerie Plame is used to being exposed. She was famously exposed as a CIA agent by columnist Bob Novak and she's no stranger to media exposure, what with appearances in Vanity Fair magazine, on "The Daily Show," "Meet the Press" and "Real Time with Bill Maher," just to name a few.

But there's one place Plame won't get exposed: Playboy magazine.

We found this out Wednesday when Plame stopped by Nathans of Georgetown Thursday to take part in the Q&A Cafe interview series. Host Carol Joynt couldn't get over the fact that Plame was, well, pretty hot and, since a movie based on her book was in the works, a Playboy spread couldn't be that far off, right?

"I'm a mother of twins, are you kidding me?" Plame responded.

Plame also had to confess that, although she's gone through quite a lot in the wake of the Novak column, it hasn't all been bad.

"I'm all for" a movie being made about her story, said Plame, adding that she's enjoyed the warm embrace Hollywood has given her. Relating a recent Los Angeles dinner party she attended, Plame said it's pretty cool "when Warren Beatty pulls out your chair for you."

We could make a fortune if we waterboarded Uncle Dick and showed it on Pay Per View.

Wow then we could blow your ass away legally...Please go for it.

NoTruthInHurting, I gave a link where she is quoted. I dont' associate her with anything but being an opportunist.

Oh, the suffering she has seen.

So the White House destroys her career and you have the nerve to criticize her for going out and earning a living? If they hadn't destroyed her career she would still be working on FINDING WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION, JACKASS.

-Wow then we could blow your ass away legally...

I thought you promised to stop fantasizing about my ass?

Your contact with reality, never strong, has now collapsed into paranoid fascination with the body of Valerie Plame, while our government illegally destroys evidence of torture, Slicksterwilly.

Put it away.

we have modern day nazis heading the U S government.

More stupid actions from a very stupid person.
Posted by slicksterWilly at 2007-12-07 10:05 AM |

The sweet, unadulterated, damn near sexual, straight-out-of-the-outback irony.

Don't You find it real telling that when Shit like this surfaces the Righty Tighties always want to deflect to something else to shift the focus away from the dastardly deeds performed by This Administration?? Don't You find it more than a coinkadink??

Larry Mohr

According to the illogic of Slickster and the righties Valerie Plame has to be forever miserable in order to prove her covert status in the past. I suspect that both Valerie and her husband Joe are enjoying their lives now because they can openly oppose the administration that they know outed her and who took us to war based on the lies that they exposed. If she were still covert she would not be able to speak out and I would imagine it would be quite frustrating to have to work for the criminals who hate America but who are still in the WH.

We could make a fortune if we waterboarded Uncle Dick and showed it on Pay Per View.

Wow then we could blow your ass away legally...Please go for it.

Posted by slicksterWilly

Don't You find it real telling that when Shit like this surfaces the Righty Tighties always want to deflect to something else

Cliton had a blowjob.
9/11
FDR put the Neisi behind the wire.
9/11
Have YOU been arrested yet?
9/11
The military was downshizing before Rummy showed up.
9/11
If you were a real American you'd understand.
9/11
Hillary eats Bush.
9/11
Are you sure Obama's black enough?
9/11
Bring back my cockwiper, 101.
9/11
Hey, how about the Pats?
9/11
No, really, you don't think this is too much gel?
9/11

So the White House destroys her career and you have the nerve to criticize her for going out and earning a living? If they hadn't destroyed her career she would still be working on FINDING WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION, JACKASS.

But I thought there were no WMD's. The only person who gave this boost to her career was her husband. After Novak's article he had two choices: 1)Defend his position and not reveal her name. 2) Defend his position and reveal her name.

Her husband is the one who revealed her name, fully aware that she was in no danger and that they would profit from it. As they have.

Danni...I was the originator of the statement further up thread. Mr. Moist Pecker and Johnny Denmark copy/pasted it for their own devices without making the effort to directly answer the question.

Are you suggesting that you don't agree with my premise? In all sincerity, I just asked if people were getting tired of being lied to by this administration. And if my posts have the unintended effect of vexing you, then please pass them by and go on to the next bloviating buckaroo. There's no shortage of them around here.

Cheney et al destroys Plame's career, not to mention harming our National Security, and Not So Slick Willie rags on her about a career boost.

Pathetic doesn't cover it.

Attention Drudge Retort Posters:

The Unbearable Slickness of Willies is attempting to hijack yet another thread by regurgitating long disproven lies.

Please! Do not stroke the Willy!

Thanks, SanAntone, damn near forgot:

CIA DESTROYED TAPES OF INTERROGATIONS

PS Absolutely NOTHING to do with waterboarding or any of that shit which didn't happen, and it if happened it was ok because we've been told by Authorities that they know what they're doing.

Please! Do not stroke the Willy!

....said Hillary to Monica, Kathleen, Jennifer, etc, etc, etc, and also to all of you that I don't know about....

Sincerely,

Hillary

P.S. from Hillary: Cause if you all don't stroke him you'll be in the same camp as I am sistas'

They don't want to expose the fact that people were tortured by being forced to endlessly read the Drudge Retort.

Please! Do not stroke the Willy!

Don't worry, Ride, this thread's about the CIA destroying tapes of its interrogations.

You can keep stroking the Willy to your heart's content.

Go baby, go baby, go baby, go!

fully aware that she was in no danger



you are a dumbass

Why This Administration Is Not In Jail I Will Never Know ?

-Sarge

2002 - CIA makes tapes of interrogations

2003 - C.I.A. lawyers tell federal prosecutors who informed a federal judge that the C.I.A. did not possess recordings of interrogations sought by the judge in the case. (May be relevant.)

2004 - 9/11 Commission completes work, after requesting all relevant material from all relevant agencies and never receiving the videotapes.

2005 - C.I.A. lawyers tell federal prosecutors that the C.I.A. did not possess recordings of interrogations sought by the judge in the case. (May be relevant.)

2005 - U.S. District Judge Leonie Brinkema ordered the government to disclose whether interrogations were recorded. The government objected to that order, and the judge modified it on Nov. 3, 2005, to ask for confirmation of whether the government "has video or audio tapes of these interrogations" and then named specific ones. Eleven days later, the government denied it had video or audio tapes of those specific interrogations.

2005 - The tapes are (supposedly) destroyed.

2007 - CIA tells Brinkema it had failed to hand over tapes of enemy combatant witnesses.
"The CIA did not say to the court in its original filing that it had no terrorist tapes at all. It would be wrong to assert that," CIA spokesman George Little said.

Wasn't destroyed tapes the downfall of the Nixon administration?

Cheney et al destroys Plame's career, not to mention harming our National Security, and Not So Slick Willie rags on her about a career boost.

If her career was destroyed, why are you still talking about her. Why is a movie being made about her? Why is she at a book signing? She will make more money in the next 5 years than she made her entire gov career. And you say her career was destroyed.

Her husband knew exactly what the outcome would be.

You cannot see it, that is why you living off of the government support system.

Wasn't destroyed tapes the downfall of the Nixon administration?


Posted by Dragnlady


no

Wasn't destroyed tapes the downfall of the Nixon administration?
Posted by Dragnlady at 2007-12-07 10:55 AM

No. It was not destroying the tapes that laid that mutherfucker low. Just goes to show how gullible people can be, as in: Oh, I'll trust the President.

Back to the topic, boyz n' gurlz:

CIA DESTROYS INTERROGATION TAPES


WHY?

Maybe she liked being a top spy working against terrorists on nukalar prolif, eh, Slicky?

I mean, if Cheney were to F-up your gig as Blog Clown, how would you feel?

Why destroy the tapes?

Why destroy the tapes?

Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2007-12-07 11:06 AM | Reply

To cover up America's Torturous deeds perpetrated upon the detainees. Why else??

Larry Mohr

American Unity,
I apoligize for the insults!!!
I think I misunderstood your intentions.
Even if I didn't misunderstand you, I apoligize.
I am trying to not go that lower form of retort anymore, with the insults, and name calling.
It's time to get past all of that, and just have open debate.

Why destroy the tapes?

The C.I.A. said today that the decision to destroy the tapes had been made "within the C.I.A. itself," and they were destroyed to protect the safety of undercover officers and because they no longer had intelligence value.

Now go play the conspiracy game.

I agree, Larry.

Just waiting for one of the constitutional deconstructionists to come up with something beyond deflections.

But it looks like they're not biting today down at the reactor's cooling swamp this morning.

Talking points must not be out yet.

The C.I.A. said today that the decision to destroy the tapes had been made "within the C.I.A. itself," and they were destroyed to protect the safety of undercover officers and because they no longer had intelligence value.

But only after inquiries had been made, including from the 9/11 Commission? (And those making inquries were lied to?)

They don't have the facilities at the CIA to obliterate the faces of interrogators on a video tape? They should check with KWIPEMYASS in Bumfuck, Oklahoma.

Sorry, buttboy, but you'll have to come up with something less lame. You're limping around like Tiny Tim.

But I thought there were no WMD's.

In Iraq...though at this point I know that you've been led to believe that there is no threats in this world other than the evil Iraq. But there is...pull your head from the Saudi Arabian sand.

The only person who gave this boost to her career was her husband. After Novak's article he had two choices: 1)Defend his position and not reveal her name. 2) Defend his position and reveal her name.

Her husband is the one who revealed her name, fully aware that she was in no danger and that they would profit from it. As they have.

I love the fact that the CIA lacks credibility and the people who quote them (Ron Paul) are crazy whenever they discredit neocon wet dreams...but are held as the gold standard when they support your claims. A partisan hack by any other name would smell just as rotten.

protect the safety of undercover officers
Since the concern over the so called "outing" of a "secret agent" paper pusher, I'm sure the terrorist apologists will side on the decision made by the CIA to protect its field officers.

"I'm sure the terrorist apologists..."

When you've finished fucking yourself please feel free to rejoin the conversation.

They had to destroy the tapes to protect themselves. This was 2005, prior to the MCA 2006. IIRC, the CIA had ceased interrogations when the SHTF and they were no longer covered. When I say the CIA ceased, more specifically their agents refused to use the "enhanced interrogation techniques" until they were covered.

So doc doesn't want the CIA to protect the field officers. But they should protect a "paper pusher".

They had to destroy the tapes to protect themselves. This was 2005, prior to the MCA 2006. IIRC, the CIA had ceased interrogations when the SHTF and they were no longer covered. When I say the CIA ceased, more specifically their agents refused to use the "enhanced interrogation techniques" until they were covered.
Good for them. Now the lame ass political hacks disguised as 'civil liberty' lawyers can sue someone else.

So doc doesn't want the CIA to protect the field officers. But they should protect a "paper pusher".

That's right.

I won't be satisfied until Osama bin Laden is sitting in the White House, wiping his ass with pages from the Bible, fucking Lady Liberty up the ass, and smirking like George Bush.

Don't be stoopid.

Based on the information currently available, the CIA destroyed the tapes to cover its ass.

No other explanation withstands the scrutiny of anyone outside the "Imbecile" category.

Oh, except you, Slicks.

The headline you'll never see:

CIA Comes Clean:
Releases Waterboarding Tape
"Not That Bad," Dalai Lama Declares After Viewing

General Hayden's statement said that the tapes posed a "serious security risk," and that if they were to become public they would have exposed C.I.A. officials "and their families to retaliation from Al Qaeda and its sympathizers

Cos presumably we don't want to make the AQ mad at the west?

America is pickin up folk from off the streets in countries all over the world and torturing them, in some cases, to madness and death.

The world of Islamic jihadists is already about as pissed off as they can get.

Even people who disagree vehemently with the jihadist like Spud are pretty pissed off by this.

Traditional American allies fall away as America isolates herself with these immoral actions.

Good thread Zap. Good eye!

Be Well.

Good thread Zap. Good eye!


Thanks Spud but it is the lead article in the NY Times

Based on the information currently available, the CIA destroyed the tapes to cover its ass.
Which is exactly what they should have done.

Based on the information currently available, the CIA destroyed the tapes to cover its ass.
Which is exactly what they should have done.
Posted by slicksterWilly at 2007-12-07 11:51 AM


Yeah, if you're willing to withstand an obstruction of justice investigation.

You missed the boat by not going to work for Nixon, another constitutional desconstructionist.

By the way, Slick, it's my guess that when they come out in the next hour or so you'll find you're not quite up to speed on today's talking points.

GOOD!!!

Right.

War is peace, peace is war, we've always been at war with Eurasia.

Now, go for a self-administered douche and when you're feeling fit as a fiddle come back and play with the grownups, Snipster.

Shame on Hayden for speading this Lie!

I was just starting to find him one of the more respectable intelligence officers.

This lie doesn't even ATTEMPT the usual plausible deniability you have come to expect in most of the Lies the CIA crafts.

If you are afraid about security you make that decision BEFORE you start taping.

AFTER the tape is made it is a legal government document and cannot be destroyed by law.

As far as the explanation it is obviously a lie. There are thousands of videos and documents in the Federal Goverment that could expose Agents if divulged. You don't see the CIA destorying or shreding all these records.

and they were destroyed to protect the safety of undercover officers and because they no longer had intelligence value.



i guess the CIA has never heard of pixelation,

dumbass

because they no longer had intelligence value.




i love this lie.

a 3 year old interview has no intelligence value.

hahahahahahaa

dumbass

Evidence???? Evidence????

Where was "the case" for which this was to constitute "evidence?"

This was a tape made so that the responses of the terrorist being questioned could be reviewed for nuances in his behavior that might provide leads.

This attempt at transformation of a tool into "evidence" as if there were some pending inquiry, is really a stretch. It possibly illustrates the depths to which our society has degraded itself when all activities need to be recorded so that they provide exculpation from the possibility of charges which carry a presumption of wrongdoing.

There was no need to preserve the tape at the time it was destroyed. It was not "evidence" in any proceeding.

The alacrity with which "pro-terrorist success advocate" renegades and the anti-American press here leap upon this and mischaracterize it, is indicative of the malasie that afflicts this country. These lefties in a decent land would be sent scurrying back to their ratholes.

A message reiterated to all people involved in intelligence and other such work to protect Americans is that there are enough "traitors in fact" among us that you should not put yourself at any risk of retroactive accusations of malfeasance. If there is some activity that extreme anti-Americans may later designate as "wrong," then don't extract information, just lay back and await the next terrorist attack. If there is any justice in this world, some leftist icon or symbolic structure is the one that will be struck. Just screw everyone by passivity or else they'll screw you. Intelligence School 101, CYA.

Scurvy terrorist lovers. some day you'll get what's coming to you.

Evidence???? Evidence???? Where was "the case" for which this was to constitute "evidence?"

Oh, my, my, my. Please, unravel your panties.

Would a sarsaparilla and Coke help?

Read the story, check the other links, then get back to the grownups when you're properly prepared.

Labeling torture to secure information to help prevent terrorist activity indicates mental illness. Only the insane are complicit in helping others to harm them and those near and dear to them. Cut away the chimera and what do you get?

Enablers have the mindset that Alanon warns about. Only here you're enabling harm to yourselves. An illustration of panache that could only reflect the brilliance of a person with a leftist mind. How brilliant.

What can I do as a leftist to assist those seeking to do harm to me and my country? Ha! Got it. Hector those detailed to intercept those plots and interdict attempts to harm us. This is a "diversion program" to recommit resources from protecting this country to quibbling over trivia.

If you brilliant "conspiracy theorists" are right, possibly now you can validate your theories when the black helicopters descend to seize these Democrat traitors.

The putsch. The putsch. Is it nigh?

An "inquiry" into this nonsense, artificially elevating it as a matter worthy of consideration, is misplacement of resources. Even alluding to it publicly is an evidence of traitors operating in our midst detracting from the business of securing ourselves from harm.

Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2007-12-07 01:10 PM

Oh, my, my, my. Please, unravel your panties.

black helicopters

~Peckerwood

Wozzit?

Ohhhhh, Spud gets it now. Anyone who has a critical word to say about this admin or their policies must de facto be a raving lunatic in a tin foil hat fearing alien abduction and black helicopters on the horizon.

Sorry Dude, but that li'l piece of RT propaganda is long past it's "best before" date.

Spud would say "Nice try" but it wasn't.

misplacement of resources.

Are you fucking daft? Do you RAVE, man?!

A coupla Trillion dollars wasted in Iraq, billions of dollars worth of military equipment missing and presumably in the hands of the enemy, an unwinnable war that was called such by brighter folk than you afore the first boot hit the ground in Iraq. Thousands of brave American men and women's blood spilled into the ever thirsty sands of that shithole and you have the audacity, the unmitigated gall to talk about "misplacement of resources".

Go back to yer little stink tank and tell 'em, from Spud, that the propaganda aint "hardly werking" no more.

One more thing, on a personal note, from Deth.

Tell 'em to Fuck. Right. Off!

Thanx a bunch.

Be Well.

We know why they destroyed the tapes, in insider in the CIA said:

He said the tapes, along with still photographs of interrogations, were destroyed after photographs of abuse of prisoners at Abu Ghraib became public in May 2004 and C.I.A. officers became concerned about a possible leak of the videos and photos.

Thank you, howver, for your proffer of help.

If you read my post a little more carefully (this time, put the emphasis on "comrehension") you'll find I didn't offer to help. You have to unravel your own panties. That's right. All by yourself.

Labeling torture to secure information...

Are you saying the tapes the CIA destroyed showed prisoners undergoing torture?

"comrehension" = "comprehension"
(Yust en coose spulling nutzis r wutching)

You don't see the CIA destorying or shreding all these records.
How do you know this Sherlock? Did they tell you?

Are you saying the tapes the CIA destroyed showed prisoners undergoing torture?
Someone might say readying your posts on this site are torture. But other stupid people might connect with you. So one mans torture is another mans motivation technique.

one mans torture is another mans motivation technique.

Posted by slicksterWilly at 2007-12-07 02:19 PM | Reply


So if you hang "palestinian cross" style until you die, is that "motivation"?

"one mans torture is another mans motivation technique.

Posted by slicksterWilly"

I'll pass your tip on to Tony Robbins.

Labeling torture to secure information to help prevent terrorist activity indicates mental illness. Only the insane are complicit in helping others to harm them and those near and dear to them. Cut away the chimera and what do you get?



you REALLY dont know what america stands for, do you?

Are you saying the tapes the CIA destroyed showed prisoners undergoing torture?
Someone might say readying your posts on this site are torture. But other stupid people might connect with you. So one mans torture is another mans motivation technique.
Posted by slicksterWilly at 2007-12-07 02:19 PM | Reply


Wow, that's funny. Not really. But I'm pretty sure you need bucking up wherever and whenever you find it, or it finds you.

And, of course, you didn't answer the question.

As for the "other stupid people," don't worry about them. You're the only stupid person you need to worry about, Slick.

oh dear all this spin is making me dizzy!

CIA erase tapes? Say it aint so!

Next you'll be telling me there is no Santa Claus or GASP... no God and the Bible is NOT the inerrant word of a living God!!!

So it seems the CIA is afraid of pissing off the Muslim world? Wow! Gosh golly gee shouldn't we have thought of that BEFORE we attacked them?

Ok so why did the CIA destroy the tapes?

I think the answer is right here...

Torture is illegal.

CIA spokesman George Little issued a statement saying all interrogations are conducted "in strict accord with U.S. law."

"The agency's terrorist detention and interrogation program has been conducted lawfully, with great care and close review, including extensive discussion within the executive branch and oversight from Congress," Little said.

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush on Friday defended his administration's methods of interrogating terrorism suspects, insisting, "This government does not torture people."

"When we find somebody who may have information regarding a potential attack on America, you bet we're going to detain them and you bet we're going to question them, because the American people expect us to find out information, actionable intelligence, so we can help them -- help protect them," Bush said.

Bush said his administration sticks to "U.S. law and our international obligations."

He said, "The techniques that we use have been fully disclosed to appropriate members of the United States Congress."

can't have a little thing like video evidence mucking up a good lie now can we?

So WHAT, two terrorists were roughed up, I say give the CIA an ataboy!

If "torture" can save ONE American life, I only have four words to say:

Red positive
Black negative

JEFFNDENMARK

I wasn't aware there was a problem. If there was I'm sure it was a misunderstanding on your part. We're on the same page here

AU :-)

Dave and Justgettin' are dead on. It's absolutely no problem for the President's appointees at the CIA to deny and then destroy evidence.

It worked for Stalin and the KGB; it'll work for our existential struggle for freedom, democracy, and the rule of law just as well.

If "torture" can save ONE American life, I only have four words to say:

Red positive
Black negative

Posted by jestgettinalong



and if results in the deaths of Americans?

Johnson-
re: "There was no need to preserve the tape at the time it was destroyed. It was not "evidence" in any proceeding."

From the article:

The recordings were not provided to a federal court hearing the case of the terror suspect Zacarias Moussaoui or to the Sept. 11 commission, which had made formal requests to the C.I.A. for transcripts and any other documentary evidence taken from interrogations of agency prisoners.....


Staff members of the Sept. 11 commission, which completed its work in 2004, expressed surprise when they were told that interrogation videotapes existed until 2005......

"The commission did formally request material of this kind from all relevant agencies, and the commission was assured that we had received all the material responsive to our request," said Philip D. Zelikow, who served as executive director of the Sept. 11 commission and later as a senior counselor to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. ....

Daniel Marcus, a law professor at American University who served as general counsel for the Sept. 11 commission and was involved in the discussions about interviews with Al Qaeda leaders, said he had heard nothing about any tapes being destroyed.

If tapes were destroyed, he said, "it's a big deal, it's a very big deal," because it could amount to obstruction of justice to withhold evidence being sought in criminal or fact-finding investigations. ....

So WHAT

~Dave the Wave

Red positive
Black negative

~Jest

Scurvy terrorist lovers. some day you'll get what's coming to you.

~Johnson

Aha, so in yer twisted li'l excuse fer a mind you "think" that hating torture is the same as loving terrorism?

Why not drop the other shoe and say wot you really mean? Yer on the same page as Jestnotgettin'it. You think torture is not only useful but neccessary and justifiable.

Back in the day when Spud was a believing Roman Catholic Spud woulda just eased his own mind by imagining wot Jesus (a guy who was slowly tortured to death, btw) would say to that twisted logic like that and wot yer first day in hell woulda been like.

But Spud has put away those thoughts and now Spud the athiest/ recovering Catholic is convinced that you and folk that just think like you deserve a little hell on earth before yer days are done. You know... just in case.

Not torture, of course, as that's never justifiable, Spud was thinking more along the lines of an 8 1/2 inch tall talking potato consistently calling you out on yer bullshit and inhumanity. Think of dethspud as the conscience you never had but shoulda.

dethspud is like Jiminy Cricket ...only he knows more bad swears!

Torture, incidentally, has it's etymological origins waaay back in Roman times.

"a twisting, writhing, torture, torment," from stem of L. torquere "to twist, turn, wind, wring, distort"

Just so there's no doubt about it.

Spud considers Johnson, Jest, Dave and any and all fuckhedZ who would condone this stuff as being TWISTED pieces of shit!

Spud thanks y'all fer yer kind attention.

Be Well.

Endless hours of horrific screams?

They could just substitute the tapes with audio from Georgie and Laura's bedroom.

The CIA must have been worried about felonies committed on the video. Unless they've never heard of pixelizing the faces of the agents (blocking out faces), and the fact the videos would never have gone beyond oversight committees in the House and Senate, it's the only plausible explanation.

Spud - the terribly tortured typing tater!

go git em and leave em laughing you legume!

It is worth noting that the CIA actually informed members of Congress about the tapes four years ago and also informed them in advance about their intention to ultimately destroy the tapes. One leading Democrat admits he knew about the destruction of the tapes last fall. Via AP:

Seems this was not done in secrecy, so why the furor now? Either they blew off reading their briefings and now are just finding our about it, OR: Just more posturing, something the Dems in congress do very well.

Except no one in Congress, no one on any of the Committees that would have been notified has said anything except they weren't told.

The only person that's come forth saying they knew was Harriet Meyers, and she said they should not be destroyed.

Just more posturing, something the Dems in congress do very well.

Considering Republicans ran everything at the time, you'd think they'd be coming out in droves saying they knew all about it. Then again, they might be keeping quiet out of concern with "Obstruction of Justice" charges.

YAV - As I stated this was not done in secret, these Dems could have gotten it out to their brethren to stop it, and the press to 'assist' if they wanted.

No, all they did was object and drop it stop it. Maybe that was their plan as now it's obviously being made into a big deal with implications of a cover up.

Humm, can we say 'Play the Ignorant Public'???

MSGT-
Subpoena them too. I don't give a shit what party they belong to.

re: "There was no need to preserve the tape at the time it was destroyed. It was not "evidence" in any proceeding."

From the article:

The recordings were not provided to a federal court hearing the case of the terror suspect Zacarias Moussaoui or to the Sept. 11 commission, which had made formal requests to the C.I.A. for transcripts and any other documentary evidence taken from interrogations of agency prisoners.....


Staff members of the Sept. 11 commission, which completed its work in 2004, expressed surprise when they were told that interrogation videotapes existed until 2005......

"The commission did formally request material of this kind from all relevant agencies, and the commission was assured that we had received all the material responsive to our request," said Philip D. Zelikow, who served as executive director of the Sept. 11 commission and later as a senior counselor to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. ....

Daniel Marcus, a law professor at American University who served as general counsel for the Sept. 11 commission and was involved in the discussions about interviews with Al Qaeda leaders, said he had heard nothing about any tapes being destroyed.

If tapes were destroyed, he said, "it's a big deal, it's a very big deal," because it could amount to obstruction of justice to withhold evidence being sought in criminal or fact-finding investigations. ....

We can go round and about it for ever more with CIA lawyers, law professors, judges, Bush, Republicans and Democrats and whoever. The fact remains for anybody born earlier than yesterday that the tapes were destroyed because they showed that the prisoners were being tortured and that is a war crime and Bush is, as he never tires of telling us, a War President.

They knew it was illegal and this proves it. Destruction of evidence should be treated the same as a signed confession.

I love that. The President's legal mouth and ear "urged the CIA not to destroy the tapes."

Oh well...

So far, no news about the AG issuing an order for all gov't employees to secure and preserve any and all relevant information about this fiasco in their files, just in case investigators might need it for their investigations (presuming there are any investigations).

Could be a long, hit-"delete" or shredder-in-overdrive weekend in and around D.C.

CIA Destroyed Tapes of Interrogations


I wonder if they did it in house or had it privatized?

I wonder if the interrogation was in house or privatized.

Just another Day in the Life of the most lying, reckless, lawless, warmongering, incompetent Administration this good country has ever had to suffer under.
They defend their use of torture but destroy the evidence. Do THEY even know what they believe, or is it all one big charade?
Must be hell to wake up every morning and know you are going to spend the day tripping over your own lies.