And Reid sure didn't help yesterday when he called all the senate Republicans "puppets"

This is just typical of the Dems, a lot of drama, but nothing happens.

Now that Iraq appears to be stabilizing, the shepple like the war again, never mind that the war should not have been fought in the first place and we should still get out. No, as long as "our team is winning the game, let's stay in the stadium and cheer, and then let's go under the bleachers and fuck."

But I digress. The Democrats are worthless. They can not make this simple point in a press conference, that even though we appear to be 'winning" the war, it's still not our war to "win" and should leave immediately.

The Democrats are worthless.

More then twice as many americans now support the war 43% then support the Democratic-led congress, 20%

More then twice as many americans now support the war 43% then support the Democratic-led congress, 20%

First of all, 44% believed Saddam was connected to Al Qaeda after the massive disinformation campaign.

Secondly, 43% is a minority of public opinion in case your math skills need brushing up. 75% of Americans want us out of Iraq.

Thirdly, what poll are you reading? The ones I read have the Dems with a much higher approval rating than the Reps in Congress. Of course, the ones I trust are only the most scientific and respected polling firms in America. Rasmussen does a good job during elections, but between elections they use auto phone polling, in which any 5 year old can punch the buttons.

Fourthly, Bush is now the all time record holder in 'strongly disapprove', beating out Nixon. "Heck of a job' LOL

The Democrats are worthless.
Until a democrat is president I agree.

More then twice as many Americans now support the war 43% then support the Democratic-led congress, 20%

20% because the Repugs keep ignoring the will of the American people. Every time they block the Dems the rating for congress goes dowm.
43% Try 35% support the war.

I agree with Member, and to compound matters, Reid and Pelosi are probably the worst tandem of Majority Leader/Speaker that Congress has ever seen. Don't get me wrong, there have been idiots in both positions over the years, but I cannot for the life of me remember a time where they both were as bad as these fools are.

I've been saying this for weeks, once layoffs start the Unions are going to go apeshit on their pet Reps about getting the funding bills passed without conditions:

Additionally, lawmakers who represent areas with large military bases fear that layoff notices could go out to civilian military employees just a week before Christmas if the Pentagon has to pull money from other accounts to pay for the war.

"The turmoil caused by shuffling the money is making some people uncomfortable," said Rep. Adam Putnam of Florida, chairman of the House Republican Conference.

While Democrats search for different ways to combine the war funding bill with their domestic spending measures, Republicans appear increasingly confident with their position.

And they know that Democrats also gave in earlier this year after Bush vetoed an Iraq funding bill that had a troop withdrawal deadline.

"When the war was going poorly and there was great opposition to the surge, at the end of the day, the funding was there," said Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.). "Now, the surge is succeeding; the war is going better. Why would we not continue the funding?"

Sometimes it's been so very good that I'm wobbly by withdrawal time. Anyone else ever wobbly too?

"Anyone else ever wobbly too?"

Achmed the Dead Terrorist on Youtube.
Look it up.
"Premature detonation."

I've seen the Achmed skits. But, I can say in all honesty I've never experienced that premature thing....

"I can say in all honesty I've never experienced that premature thing...."

Posted by ride_on

All who believe that, I have some land in Florida.

It's just above sea level.

Too bad the name wasn't Mo Ham Ad.

Are Dems Wobbly on Withdrawal?

Given that the title of the politico article is "Dems back off on Iraq demands" -- it certainly seems so.

When You can't get the votes necessary what are You to do??

Larry Mohr

I'd much rather audition for the circus than to audition a Pair of Rudy Thongs.

Larry Mohr

Harry Reid has got to be the worst majority leader the Democrats have ever had.

Not only does he tell our troops that they've already lost right before we begin to turn things around on the ground in Iraq, then yesterday he calls all the GOP senators "puppets", and now he's gonna do cartwheels down the center aisle. And that's just some of his latest "brilliant" maneuvers. What's next ...is he going to hold his breath till he's blue in the face? Well, at least he will have the color right.

LOL

Harry Reid, the best gift the GOP minority could have in the senate.

"on flew"

It's ONE, Jeff.
The 60's, I believe it's called.

Mmmmmmm, Juicy Fruit.

Are dems wobbly on withdrawal?

YES.

Ok which one is that looney bin is BuffaloBobShit(tm)? My money is on B B B B i i lllllyyyyyy Bibbets.

Could be Ellsworth though.

Well, I'll go out on the same limb I did in 2003 when I predicted Bush would screw up Iraq---Bad things will happen after the Surge withdraws in a few months.

Sorry---I'm just not one to be suckerred in by right-wing Pollyannas. Maybe this time, at least, I won't get death threats.

The dems are good at "rim shots". They can't even get it in before it goes off. With their 10% approval rating they are pathetic. All their tough talk before the election was a bunch of hot air, They are doing the same things they said they were going to stop including never showing up for work in DC.

hmmm true enough, SNIPER!
What's the congressional repubs approval rating, I wonder?

What's the congressional repubs approval rating, I wonder?
Much lower than the Dems. The results of the Repugs blocking the will of the American people, every chance they get, will be losses in the 2008 elections for the Repugs.

Hell, in Vietnam it took 58,000 dead Americans to convince enough Congressmen and Senators that we needed to get out of that country. We aren't even close yet. These politicians worry more about their own reelections than they do about our soldiers lives. Pelosi ought to be thrown from office along with Reid. Dennis Kucinich has been right about the war and many other things from the beginning, no flip flops, but hell we wouldn't want him to be a serious contender for president....no....we need to elect one of the losers who was wrong but who kisses the asses of corporate America. Americans are their own worst enemies.

Yes, the Dems are wobbly on withdrawal. It frustrates me, but at the same time, though people see it as a weakness in a political party, I prefer to see the people who belong to the same party have differences of opinion. I'm no fan of the Dems, but I think they do this better than the Republicans. Most of the Republicans seem to vote the same way all of the time, which means the Repulicans win votes easier, but at the same time they often seem less human and more like a machine bent on global domination. Thank God for people like Ron Paul and Chuck Hagel.

Wow you folks run with crowds that are stupid, my family and groups of friend and workers dont think the deadman had anything to do with 911.

Do you actually know people that think this, no, thats right you think the us did it. Hhahhahahah.

Oohrah, it isn't that the Dems are so loyal to party it is just that the obvious fact is we should get out of Iraq, most Republicans realize this but still vote with their party. It is simply a fact that the REpublicans are more disciplined than are the Dems. Even Senators who have been quite critical of Bush and the war have still voted with against any attempts by Dems to get a withdrawl date or any other idea of ending the war.

"Since the thread is concerning withdrawal from Iraq, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Mighty Joe Lieberman the only Dem/Indy to break from his team's ranks?" -Oohrah

I believe, of the presidential candidates, the only one who has really made it clear that he wants to bring the troops home is Kucinich. Clinton, especially, seems disinterested in withdrawal. The thread is asking if Dems are really interested in withdrawal and I would say that some are and some aren't, not just Lieberman.

Of those running the only one who actually voted against the war in the beginning and has consistently voted against it ever since is Kucinich...I think that is why the media ignores him. Big corporations hate him. If he ever somehow got elected I think they would assasinate him.

"Oohrah, it isn't that the Dems are so loyal to party it is just that the obvious fact is we should get out of Iraq,...

I think you're wrong. A THINKING person realizes that to just bolt at this point would lead to much worse future events. Setting a definite withdrawal date is just another way of saying, "We surrender." Even the "Dems" realize this, regardless of what they may be saying to their extreme left members.

JestGettingAlong, I don't think leaving an occupation is considered surrender... If we occupy than we've already technically won. By staying, however, we are shooting ourselves in the foot in terms of the so called "war on terror" as it has nothing to do with terrorism, and is wasting our funds to the point that we are now pretty much broke, which is exactly what bin Laden wanted us to do. Staying in Iraq destroys our economy, and fuels more international hatred of America, which means more terrorism.

"A THINKING person realizes"

How would you know what a THINKING person realizes???? Who do you think you're kidding anyway????
A THINKING person would ask what is the purpose of staying in Iraq if their government won't even try to solve any of the problems causing the violence in their own country. A THINKING person would tell their government they have exactly so many months to get it together.
A THINKING person would look at the amount of money we are spending in Iraq and realize it is just not sustainable.
A THINKING person would look at our military overall and recognize, as have our military leaders, that Iraq is harming the strategic capabilities of our forces.

I wouldn't expect you to realize any of those things though for obvious reasons.

Danni, I wouldn't be using the "think" word so blatantly as we all KNOW your favorited passtime with cannabis makes "thinking" out of the question for you...especially when you're awake. Isn't it time for your mid-morning nappy poo? Have some nice little dreams...OK?

JESTGETTINGALONG I can honestly say I thought about the invasion of Iraq and I figured out it was a mistake before we invaded....can you say the same thing????

Oohrah, I really think that the invasion/occupation of Iraq with its cost in lives and dollars is generally accepted as a big...a huge mistake. I just don't think it is really a question any more.
Perhaps there is a question about what to do now but there just isn't about the original invasion.
Well, except for people who just stubbornly cling to what they know was a bad decision because they just can't admit they were wrong.

"Thinking people can arrive at differing conclusions as a result of any number of factors. Likewise, that conclusion is not an obvious fact, since it's a subjective decision based on any number of factors." -Oohrah

Very wise, oohrah. People need to be more careful when they argue sociological issues or politics as they are extremely subjective fields. There is fundamental truth behind all these fields, but reaching a conclusion is impossible, as there are far too many factors that come into play. That's why more people need to be more open minded when coming to a place like this to argue.

More then twice as many americans now support the war 43%

followed by

43% is a minority of public opinion in case your math skills need brushing up. 75% of Americans want us out of Iraq.

That means 118% of Americans think you shouldn't be critical of other peoples math skills.

Oohrah... When I said "very wise", I wasn't being sarcastic. I thought what you said was accurate and intelligent. I was complimenting you.

"Are Dems Wobbly on Withdrawal?"

YEAH!

Well why do Bush and his Cult a favor and give them an easy way out!
Its better to let him and his Cult drag this Dead Horse behind them into the annals of history!

You're alright, oohrah. No offense taken. Much respect.

REDMAN

First of all, his figures are wrong. His mistake and my accurate poll numbers are mutually exclusive.

The Dems are wobbly on everything. For the most part, they are cynical opportunists who only care about maintaining and increasing their influence. What they do with that influence isn't important to them at all.

"The Dems are wobbly on everything. For the most part, they are cynical opportunists who only care about maintaining and increasing their influence. What they do with that influence isn't important to them at all." -Sully

I agree, but I would add that the Republicans aren't any different. They all care about corporate interests more than the people they serve. We are pretty damn close to being a corporatocracy, which is just one step closer to fasism.

"I agree, but I would add that the Republicans aren't any different. They all care about corporate interests more than the people they serve."

Neither party gives a crap about the average American. I think the Republicans have more of an agenda than the Democrats - but that their current agenda has nothing to do with improving the quality of lives or the safety of Americans in general.

And Reid sure didn't help yesterday when he called all the senate Republicans "puppets"

I see a lot of frustration by liberals who said the proposed surge of more troops would never work! The same liberals who claim Iraq was a lost cause because of Bush! And these same liberals who hardly ever give credit to where credit is due because all they think of is political opposition. The same liberals who banned a tv commercial on NBC that was thanking the troops for sacrificing their lives when every other tv or cable outlet ran it!

Do you really think the Dems are "wobble" if you do, then they are liars because even if the most harden critic said the surge is WORKING! They are not weak on this issue, it's the fact that the surge is working!

I thank all the men and women who served overseas and the Iraqi people for helping the surge work, and another step towards bringing the troops home with a able Iraqi security force.