Whatever it is that helps them, send a box or two this way. I hate the winter colds I get (of course the Ohio valley could stop burning that sulfer-infested Kentucky coal and sending its fumes on their merry way north and into my living space.

On second thought - wonder if they have any of the same kinds of problems that Pitcairn Island have had?

Regards,
etc.

I would be suspicious about a virus causing asthma. I've had it all my life; it's an allergy. This might be more scare mongering after the bird flu hobgoblin flopped.

It's the secondary effect of respiratory illenss I would say Ray. I get the worst dry cough for a month after a winter cold. Can't for the life of me shake it until I go to the puffer for weeks on end to settle down the upper tract. In the middle of summer the allergies from ragweed get to me but no asthma from it.

Regards,
etc.

I didn't know asthma was a virus. If that's true, why is asthma recurring? Don't viral infections go away after it's run its course?

Hitler practiced this form of population control.
It wasn't only jews. He killed hundreds of thousands of handicapped, infirm, and elderly. George Bushes grand father was involved with a group of elite to over throw the USA, and they wanted to do the same thing Hitler did.

Smedley Butler - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaIn addition to his military career, Smedley Butler was noted for his outspoken ... coup to overthrow the government of President Franklin D. Roosevelt. ...
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The radical Mexican Nationalist movement that is the political voice for the illegel 30 million in the US has a docturine that is basically their guide book called "The Plan Of San Diago" it calls for the killing of all white males over the age of 15.
Nightmare Racism and Open Call for Revolution: Alex Jones Reports ...I asked my friends what the Plan of San Diego was and they told me that it was a ... wearing shirts calling for the killing of all white males above 16. ...
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Texas Civil Rights Review attacks Alex Jones, defends Plan of San ...The hit piece then continues: "...from all the history available to him, Mr. Jones would be most scandalized by the Plan of San Diego. As if, in the killing ...
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Handbook of Texas Online:PLAN OF SAN DIEGO. With the outbreak of revolution in northern Mexico in 1910, ... with summary execution of all white males over the age of sixteen. ...
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This radical Mexican movement is being funded by the Rockerfeller foundation.
Basically the same group that funded hitler and tried to overthrow the US government and install a dictatorship.
These are all facts. Please do the research.

Doesn't it look like there is a long term secret agenda to take total control of the planet?

I agree that it is possible, but not probable.

Even elite humans would have to be exercising an incredible degree of stupidity to intentionally create and release what could possible mutate into a genocidal virus.

They are also humans and thus susceptible to viruses, after all.

Unless of course, they are really sent here from another galaxy to take over this planet.

(cue weird music)

As to your link, there are some interesting facts presented. To go from those facts, assuming they are correct, to the postulation of a global elite responsible for AIDS is a leap of logic I can entertain but not make.

Also, and this is not an ad hominem attack on Dr. Cantwell, but a retired dermatologist is not a virologist. My father is a retired physician and interested in AIDS vaccines. That does not make him an expert on same, as he will readily admit.

Maybe they have the cures to?
They create a killer flu, they also create the vaccine.

Have you talked to your dad about mercury in the vaccines, and the link to autism?
The mercury is some kind of perservitive so the vaccines will keep longer.
Also ask him about cell phone micro waves and increasing brain cancers.
There are tons of lnks on google. Not just Alex Jones but medical reseach centers around the world.
Long-Term Mobile Phone Use and Brain Tumor Risk -- Lnn et al. 161 ...Handheld mobile phones were introduced in Sweden during the late 1980s. ... No risk increase was found for ipsilateral phone use for tumors located in the ...
aje.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/
content/abstract/161/6/526

Have you talked to your dad about mercury in the vaccines, and the link to autism?

Yes, I have.

He was a family physician for over 30 years. During that time he administered thousands of vaccinations.

He does not believe, based on his experience, that there is a link.

That does not mean the link is not there, but even if it is it does not mean that "they" put mercury in the vaccines to intentionally harm children.

Thimerosal, the mercuric compound in question, was put in the vaccines to prevent bacterial contamination. It is no longer present in most newer vaccines.

From the FDA website:

Thimerosal has been removed from or reduced to trace amounts in all vaccines routinely recommended for children 6 years of age and younger, with the exception of inactivated influenza vaccine (see Table 1). A preservative-free version of the inactivated influenza vaccine (contains trace amounts of thimerosal) is available in limited supply at this time for use in infants, children and pregnant women. Some vaccines such as Td, which is indicated for older children ( 7 years of age) and adults, are also now available in formulations that are free of thimerosal or contain only trace amounts. Vaccines with trace amounts of thimerosal contain 1 microgram or less of mercury per dose.

"Don't viral infections go away after it's run its course?

Posted by rightisright at 2007-12-05 01:35 AM"

You must also wonder why you keep getting that same sore on your penis.

By the mid-1970s he was a world authority on hepatitis and transfusion medicine. In another startling occurrence, Szmuness was invited back to Moscow in 1975 to give a scientific presentation. As a defector he was terrified to set foot in the Soviet Union, and memories of KGB torture and interrogation still plagued him. However, his colleagues assured him he would have the full protection of the U.S. State Department. His return to Russia was a scientific triumph.

By the late 1970s he had been awarded millions of dollars in grant money and was phenomenally successful in his hepatitis work. Now he was fully prepared to undertake the most important mission of his life: the hepatitis B vaccine experiment.

First, Szmuness became acquainted with the gay community, and added homosexual physicians and activists to his staff. He was taken into the gay ghetto where he viewed the baths and the bars and the discos. Promiscuous homosexuals were perfect guinea pigs. They would prove, beyond doubt, that Szmuness could wipe hepatitis B off the face of the earth.

In the late 1970s a bloodmobile began canvassing the gay neighborhood in the Greenwich Village section of Manhattan, looking for homosexual volunteers. Over ten thousand men signed up and donated blood samples for Szmuness' upcoming experiment.

Szmuness was highly selective in the men he chose as finalists. He required that the men be highly promiscuous. In fact, the more promiscuous the better. He was testing a vaccine against a sexually-transmitted virus. Therefore, he didn't want any monogamous men, or men with lovers, in his experiment. He also wanted men who were healthy, young, responsible, intelligent, and preferably white. Promiscuous bisexuals were acceptable, but heterosexual men were excluded from the experiment. The men had to have an address and a phone number, and be willing to provide blood samples over a long period of time.

The hepatitis experiment was a costly one, and Szmuness didn't want any uncooperative or hard-to-find gays messing up his experiment. There was too much money at stake. The Centers for Disease Control (CDC), the National Institutes of Health (NIH), and the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, were all involved in the study, as well as big pharmaceutical companies, such as Merck, Sharp & Dohme Inc., and Abbott Laboratories.

In preliminary experiments, Szmuness first tested his vaccine in chimpanzees. He then tested two hundred human volunteers, presumably gay men, by inoculating them with the vaccine. In the months before the official beginning of the experiment there had been no problem with the chimps or the volunteers. Szmuness was now ready to set the date for the final experiment--an experiment which would decimate the gay community in New York City.

The first group of gay men was inoculated in November 1978 at the New York City Blood Center. The experiment continued until October 1979. Over one thousand men from Manhattan were injected with Szmuness' vaccine.

In January 1979, a few months after Wolf Szmuness began his experiment, purple skin lesions began to appear on the bodies of young white gay men in the Village. The doctors were not sure exactly what was wrong with these men. During the next thirty months, Manhattan physicians encountered dozens of cases of a new disease characterized by immunodeficiency, Kaposi's sarcoma, and a rapidly fatal lung disease, known as Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia. All the men were young and gay and promiscuous. Almost all were white. All died horribly.

Within a few years, AIDS would become the leading cause of death of young men and young women living in New York City. The Big Apple would be designated the epicenter of the new plague with the highest number of AIDS cases in the country.

Wolf Szmuness was thrilled with the tremendous success of his hepatitis experiment. In March 1980 the CDC supervised additional gay experiments in San Francisco, Los Angeles, Denver, St. Louis and Chicago. In the fall of 1980 the first West Coast case of AIDS appeared in a young man from San Francisco.

Six months later, in June 1981, the AIDS epidemic became "official." The epidemiologists and health experts could not understand why large numbers of young, white, previously healthy homosexual men were dying mysteriously in Manhattan, San Francisco, and Los Angeles.

By the beginning of the 1980s, Szmuness was awarded millions of dollars for his research, and his hugely successful hepatitis vaccine was hailed as having tremendous global implications. He collaborated with the most powerful medical institutions in the nation: the NIH, the National Cancer Institute (NCI), the FDA, the WHO, and the Cornell, Yale and Harvard Schools of Public Health and the Russian Academy of Medical Science. Other global connections included the International Agency for Research on Cancer in Lyons, France, and close associations with third world African countries. Even the services of the Sengalese Army were employed to secure blood specimens in one of Szmuness' many African experiments.

In June 1982 Wolf Szmuness suddenly died of lung cancer. I could find no obituaries of his death in any of the medical journals, except for Aaron Kellner's account.

That sounds like a pretty strong link from vaccine to aids.

I think he vetoed it because it didn't have a provision he wanted that would prevent people from suing for damages caused by the vaccines. You know, drug companies before the people, every time.

Yeah but my point is that there is mercury in the vaccine, otherwise there wouldn't be this bill in the first place. People keep saying that there is no mercury in the vaccine, and this is proof that there is.

Jeff,

Reread the FDA comments from my previous post. It acknowledges that there is still thimerosal in the most common flu vaccine. It is probably still there because they have not found a suitable substitute in that particular product or cannot manufacture enough of a new formula in time. No one is c;aiming that ALL new vaccines are mercury-free, only that they have made very significant progress in that direction.

I took my flu shot this year, Thimerosal and all. For me, a tiny dose of a mercury compound is a small price to pay for the assurance that the vaccine is not contaminated with bacteria. In a healthy adult, this is not an issue.

The concern, of course, is with children, not adults.

I think Bush should have signed the bill and I believe Montecore has the correct reason he didn't. It didn't go far enough to 'immunize' Big Pharma from liability.

I agree to.
The corporate lobbies control Washington.

"I took my flu shot this year, Thimerosal and all. For me, a tiny dose of a mercury compound is a small price to pay for the assurance that the vaccine is not contaminated with bacteria. In a healthy adult, this is not an issue.

Posted by silver_ironist at 2007-12-05 05:37 PM"

The real question you need to ask yourself is whether a tiny dose of mercury worth taking in order to prevent the flu. Unless you are elderly or otherwise vulnerable, I don't see why you would take the flu vaccine.

Oh dear Mercury poisoning next thing You know they will say Corsicas cause cancer.

Larry Mohr

I don't see why you would take the flu vaccine.

Because you don't want the flu? Dunno.. but it was my main motivation. Two to four days in bed, vomiting into the toilet (if I make it). Head feeling like Larry is sitting on me. Seems like a good trade.

Sick...not sick.....and think of all the money I will be making instead.

Doc? Light me up a good batch.

Regards,
etc.

Flu vaccine?????

Have to take it year after year but it is a vaccine?

Somatic or germ and which way will our future go in up coming generations?

This will be the next real big issue in the future.

Flu vaccine?????

Have to take it year after year but it is a vaccine?

Vaccinating against different strains. The flu virus mutates.

Storm: The Canadian Whisky (e or no e? I forget!) doesn't keep the viral bugs away? *grin*

Damn - Goatman beat me to it.

Surely to God $War you aren't saying what you said.

Regards,
etc.

A vaccine is assessed in terms of the reduction of the risk of disease produced by vaccination, its efficacy. In contrast, in the field, the effectiveness of a vaccine is the practical reduction in risk for an individual when they are vaccinated under real-world conditions.[13] Measuring efficacy of influenza vaccines is relatively simple, as the immune response produced by the vaccine can be assessed in animal models, or the amount of antibody produced in vaccinated people can be measured,[14] or most rigorously, by immunising adult volunteers and then challenging with virulent influenza virus.[15] In studies such as these, influenza vaccines showed high efficacy and produced a protective immune response. For ethical reasons, such challenge studies cannot be performed in the population most at risk from influenza - the elderly and young children. However, studies on the effectiveness of flu vaccines in the real world are uniquely difficult. The vaccine may not be matched to the virus in circulation; virus prevalence varies widely between years, and influenza is often confused with other flu-like illnesses.[16]

Nevertheless, multiple clinical trials of both live and inactivated influenza vaccines have been performed and their results pooled and analyzed in several recent meta-analyses. Studies on live vaccines have very limited data, but these preparations may be more effective than inactivated vaccines.[15] The meta-analyses examined the efficacy and effectiveness of inactivated vaccines in adults,[17] children,[18] and the elderly.[19][20] In adults, vaccines show high efficacy against the targeted strains, but low effectiveness overall, so the benefits of vaccination are small, with a one-quarter reduction in risk of contracting influenza but no effect on the rate of hospitalization.[17] In children, vaccines again showed high efficacy, but low effectiveness in preventing "flu-like illness", in children under two the data are extremely limited, but vaccination appeared to confer no measurable benefit.[18] In the elderly, vaccination does not reduce the frequency of influenza, but may reduce pneumonia, hospital admission and deaths from influenza or pneumonia.[19][20] The measured effectiveness of the vaccine in the elderly varies depending on whether the population studied is in residential care homes, or in the community, with the vaccine appearing more effective in an institutional environment. This apparent effect may be due to selection bias or differences in diagnosis and surveillance.

Overall, the benefit of influenza vaccination is clearest in the elderly, with vaccination in children of questionable benefit. Vaccination of adults is not predicted to produce significant improvements in public health. The apparent contradiction between vaccines with high efficacy, but low effectiveness, may reflect the difficulty in diagnosing influenza under clinical conditions and the large number of strains circulating in the population.[16]

? WTF is that trying to say ?

They've gone to providing the flu shot for free in Ontario because of the huge drop in flu cases clogging up hospital emergency, let alone doctors' offices.

That simple longitudinal study alone shows its merits. More shots, less flu patients.

It's also self reinforcing. Since I don't get the flu, I don't pass it on. Since we all get it (99.999% of us) from one another, that means that the source for spread is greatly reduced.

In other words they don't even have to give us all a shot. Just enough of us to dampen out the speed of it spreading.

The "positive outcome is so very slight"? What are you getting this from? It is easy and simply verified and it has saved Ontario some much money in health care costs the give the stuff way!

Regards,
etc.

They've gone to providing the flu shot for free in Ontario because of the huge drop in flu cases clogging up hospital emergency, let alone doctors' offices.

In adults, vaccines show high efficacy against the targeted strains, but low effectiveness overall, so the benefits of vaccination are small, with a one-quarter reduction in risk of contracting influenza but no effect on the rate of hospitalization.[17]

(AP) Despite the advent of a vaccine four decades ago, flu-related deaths in the United States have risen dramatically since the 1970s, and influenza now claims more lives each year than AIDS, researchers say.

The rising death toll is attributed largely to the nation's growing number of elderly people, who are especially vulnerable to the flu.

Only about 65 percent of older people get vaccinated, and the annual shots do not protect aging immune systems as well as they do younger ones.

The U.S. death toll surged fourfold from 16,263 in 1976-77 to 64,684 in 1998-99, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported. Flu deaths now average about 36,000 a year, up from 20,000 in previous estimates, the CDC said...