WHAT WOULD SHILLARY SAY?

OR PAJAMAS?

How did Huck punt, I missed that part of the article?

And Mormon's aren't technically Christian but are more of a cult, this is the unsavory truth avoided in this article.

Jesus said "false Christs and false prophets will arise and show great signs and wonders, as so to mislead, if possible, even the elect" (Matthew 24:24). He speaks directly about false prophets (Joseph Smith)

Jesus' prophecy of false teachers coming in His name began to be fulfilled even during the era of the apostles. Paul mentioned a number of false teachers. He said a "different gospel" was already being preached (Galatians 1:6).

So it is easy to see why Christians don't take too kindly to calling Mormon's Christians. It goes against the bible. This is smarmy?

You're actually quoting Jesus Christ? You do realize that we have absolutely not a shred of paper containing "New Testament" writing on it until well after everyone who ever knew the guy was long dead, don't you?

Mormons consider themselves Christian. You might as well say Protestants aren't Christians because Martin Luther was a "false prophet."

Huckabee's got an ad up that specifically promotes him as a "Christian leader."

C'mon, he's just another oily bigot who happens to wrap his burlap sack full of rattlers with a silk ribbon.

Martin Luther didn't pretend that he was a prophet like Joseph Smith did, who pretended that he had received more 'revelation', something Jesus (who Christians hold quite dear) warned against.

"something Jesus (who Christians hold quite dear) warned against"

You've got a sourcing problem. You do realize that, don't you?

But laying that aside for a moment, I can assure you that Mormons---I'm not a member, but I've known many over the years---consider themselves Christians.

As for Luther, of course he's talking about revelation: putting it on the individual rather than the received information handed out by a priesthood. Are you claiming that those who claim to be "born again" and spout the "God told me" stuff are not Christians, either?

Huckabee's problem is that he's been playing this golly-awe-shucks shuck-n-jive and this time he got caught out as the bigot he really is.

My source is what Christians deem as 'the source' for their religion.

I'm not even Christian myself, but I can understand why Christians believe that Mormons along with Muslims aren't Christians.

Huckabee's problem is that he's been playing this golly-awe-shucks shuck-n-jive
and this time he got caught out as the bigot he really is.


Bigot?

If a Christian does not adhere to the beliefs given to him in the Bible, then he is no Christian. The fact that non-believers want to call it some PC
name is not going to change that one iota. Also, the very thing that the unbeliever espouses here is also predicted in the Bible so all he does is
validate even further that the Bible is correct. Nothing will change that either.

Haven't we already had enough proof, what voting for someone BECAUSE they are of a particular religious belief does for the state of nation?

Believe what you want in private, but "for the love of God" separate politics and religion.

but I can understand why Christians believe that Mormons along with Muslims aren't Christians.

So can I. I just think it's a crock, that's all.


Bigot?

You betcha. "Christian leader"? Puhlease.

Both fundamentalist groups consider themselves "above" non-believers to justify opposing gay rights, particularly marriage.

Romney and Huckabee should run for office in Egypt, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia or Israel, but have NO RIGHT imagining themselves President of the "land of the free".

I personally pray to both Nehor and Jehova that Mormon and Quaker organizations are dissolved ASAP.

oohrah, do you think it is possible that in the next few weeks Huckabee could put together the organization, money and message to challenge Rudy in moderate states like CA, NJ, FL, etc?

ALL presidential candidates have some form of spirituality, don't they? Should all forms of faith disqualify someone from running for POTUS?
Posted by OohRah at 2007-12-04 05:30 PM

Fundamentalists endorse religious wars and expect the POTUS to fulfill the current ones for them.

Neocon's conjoin religiously intolerant and warhawks to justify the destruction of the nations of Palestine, Iraq and Afghanistan - the ME nations closest to becoming democratic on their own pre-US invasion.

Using Israel as an example, it's still genocide whoever is doing it. Mike Huckabee, Barak Obama, Mitt Romney, Hillary Clinton are all definitely pro-neocon Israel and won't be a change in the White house whatsoever, imo.

Ron Paul appears too good to be true (ie not beholden to Irael).

OOHRAH:

ALL presidential candidates have some form of spirituality, don't they?

Perhaps you might like to explain how George Bush's born again spirituality has served the purpose of God and his son, Jesus.

Of course, it hasn't.

I don't know if you voted for him or not. Nor do I care. But if you did, you contributed to the most UNBorn Again phoney ever to inhabit the boundries of this United States.

Frankly, you should really, really, really be ashamed of yourself.

But I doubt that you are.

You're just in there plugging, hoping a good one will come along.

How would you feel if the Huckster, Mitt or any Democrat simply said, "freedoms of America allow us to worship as we see fit. Faith is something I hold dear to me and not something that should be viewed as a litmus test, either pro or con, when considering my qualifications for President. I respect others' decisions... and would ask that you respect mine to keep my private faith just that: private."

I'd feel just fine about that. In fact, I'd welcome it. What a refreshing change from the wearing of faith on the one's sleeve.

ALL presidential candidates have some form of spirituality, don't they?

Not sure about that one.

Should all forms of faith disqualify someone from running for POTUS?

No. But they should shut the hell up about it. And defunitely not haul out "Christian leader" designations like Huckabee did. That's both shameless and shameful.

One of my favorite little hypocrisies lately is the Atheists for Obama thingy.

I mean really, here is a guy that is not some publicly Milk-Toast Methodist like Clinton, but he's the real deal, a genuine Born Again Evangelical who takes very seriously the "invisible man in the sky".

Somewhat surprising that real atheists have anything at all to do with such a nutcase, eh?

No. But they should shut the hell up about it. And defunitely not haul out "Christian leader" designations like Huckabee did. That's both shameless and shameful.







But it is ok for Hillary and Bill to "preach" in black churches, haul out their Bible verses whenever there is a photo op and shill for AIDS with Rick Warren. None of this is for political gain is it?

Not a bit.

You argument is laughbale at best. Totally one sided and uninformed at worst.

HRC

'Cuse me. Perhaps you'd like to explain why you oppose "shilling for AIDS"

Seems to me that this is a good thing.

DOC-
How would you feel if the Huckster, Mitt or any Democrat simply said, "freedoms of America allow us to worship as we see fit. Faith is something I hold dear to me and not something that should be viewed as a litmus test, either pro or con, when considering my qualifications for President. I respect others' decisions... and would ask that you respect mine to keep my private faith just that: private."
ALL presidential candidates have some form of spirituality, don't they? Should all forms of faith disqualify someone from running for POTUS?
Posted by OohRah at 2007-12-04 05:30 PM

Okay, I've finally got someone who uses that term - PLEASE don't use "litmus test" when describing pro or con. It's a means of measuring the PH - both alkalinity and acidity, not one OR the other, but a scale.

Any person in public office who uses this language (incorrectly so) is a fundamentalist Neocon in the pursuit of avoiding the toughest questions such as how they will protect MY rights (which they WON'T). For instance, the 700 Club isn't a hallmark of intelligent journalism or political insight other than knowing who agrees with them and is on board with fundamentalists.

"Rush had it right (as usual) "


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHahahah
ahahahaaa

At least it's entertaining.

The best quote in the article was where it stated
"faith is not a substitute for thought". If only someone would pick this up for a campaign slogan.

Oohrah

Kennedy was a christian. Johnson was a Christian. Carter was a born again Christian. Clinton was a Christian. All the current dem candidates are Christians.

"no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States"

Constitution

"Most scientists I know don't care enough about religion even to call themselves atheists."
-- Steven Weinberg

Plenty of religious folks believe strongly in separation of church and state; My father was one.
When they changed the pledge, he instructed me not to go along.

I can do without the James Watt types, though.

"Johnson was a Christian."

Whatever you say, bOoB.

Lyndon was a one-of-a-kind political animal.

Mr Huckashit strongly asserts that the earth is only 6000 years old and that humans lived alongside dinosaurs.



p.s. 'The Flintstones' was not a documentary.

Lyndon was a one-of-a-kind political animal.

Thanks to Sam Rayburn. Those darned Texans.

I knew Mr Sam as a kid. His place was next to ours. His sister-in-law Agnes and my mother were in the same bridge club. I recall the KKK burning a cross in his yard in 1957. His brother was famous for shooting varmints in the house.

"Johnson was a Christian."

Whatever you say, bOoB.
Lyndon was a one-of-a-kind political animal.
Posted by Zatoichi at 2007-12-04 07:53 PM

Please stop with the name-calling.

And the reason the Kennedy files won't be released is because 41 is directly involved, as was Tennant. Agreed?

So, even when fundamentalists are shown how un-Christian their right-wing leaders truly are they will defend their position to the bitter end.

I knew Mr Sam as a kid.


Wasn't he from Fannin County? Bonham to be exact? My parents are from Grayson County, next county west of Fannin. I own a home about 25 miles from Bonham, just down hwy 121 a ways.

And the reason the Kennedy files won't be released is because 41 is directly involved, as was Tennant. Agreed?

I love this place.

OOHRAH:

I'd like to repeat my question please . . .

OOHRAH:

ALL presidential candidates have some form of spirituality, don't they?

Perhaps you might like to explain how George Bush's born again spirituality has served the purpose of God and his son, Jesus.

I'll wait

And the reason the Kennedy files won't be released is because 41 is directly involved, as was Tennant. Agreed?

LOL. There's an element of the Kennedy assasination I haven't heard yet. Tell me more, Robot, I could use the laughs!

I keep hearing Romney use that Kennedy line about not requiring a religious litmus test to run for office, but what Romney fails to remember (or just chooses not to because it inconvenient) is that Romney is running on a position of being a very self-righteous religious man and asking for votes based on that.

How can you run on a values platform of religion and then demand not to be judged on your religious beliefs?

I knew Mr Sam as a kid.


Wasn't he from Fannin County? Bonham to be exact? My parents are from Grayson County, next county west of Fannin. I own a home about 25 miles from Bonham, just down hwy 121 a ways.

Posted by goatman


My sister has been a lawyer in Grayson County 30 years.

My father grew up in Lannius.

My mother is from Randolph.

I went to 1st through 4th grad in Bonham.

Where the hell do you think I could take my rifle to show-and-tell in elementary school?

grade

When I was a kid, if mother couldn't find me, she'd drive up to the airport (Jones Field) and find me in some cropduster's cockpit.

We must respect the other fellow's religion,but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart.

H L Mencken.

Spud likes Huck.

Huckabee is as likeable as Huckleberry Hound and about as reality based.

Spud glad he lost 100 pounds and plays the guitar and all but if America really gives a toss about regaining a measure of credibility lost under Bush electing a guy who thinks the earth is 6,000 years old is not the way to go about it.

Remeber Dumbya was the guy more Americans would want to have a beer with.

And how did that turn out?

Be Well.

Personally I'd like to see more Christian leaders in business, government and as accountable leaders of their family. Not just Christian by name, but honest to goodness, God loving Christians. They are among the most sincere & caring friends I've had my whole life. And they aren't all Reps, either.

Ohh,

Thats part of wat I love about RP. He is IMHO one of the "truest" Christians running. He is also one that you will not see harping on his religion, the fact that he has been married to the same woman for 50 years, been an active member of the church, or given away free medical care to the needy.

Thats part of wat I love about RP. He is IMHO one of the "truest" Christians running.

Ron Paul is a self-loathing, "blame America first" apologist for terrorists.

If the Earth is 6000 years old, why isn't there a T-rex in the bible?
Stegosaurus?
Why did Noah have a dove instead of a Pterodactyl?
I hate people who think that the Earth is 6000 years old. 90% don't even know who Usher was, it's fucking absurd and now that these idiots control a large portion of the political landscape, it's no longer funny.
This is reality:
www.sciencedaily.com
Get to know it fundies, it aint going anywhere.
Posted by Alexandrite at 2007-12-04 08:34 PM

What do you think of the Dinosaur pottery link I posted? Interesting? It might place pre-civil war witnesses of pterodactyls, giant squid and Sasquatch into different light. Many cultures have quite a few similar stories surrounding mystical peoples and animals, but also "star brothers" and an origin story. Maybe there is nothing relevant therein.

I still can't wrap my head around the 6000 year-thingy. We've found evidence of human civilization from much father back. Perhaps they mean that they were "re-seeded" or something? The Adamas and the Clampits stylee.

btw - Usher, Talis and Kelly are all mutation of one family name. Sometimes researching standards and the interbreeding of aristocracy gives you more colorful knowledge of genealogy than the Mormon database. I have the feeling that if Romney were President his wars would magically swell the post-mortim Mormon numbers. The Elders must be wringing their tiny malformed hands in morbid expectation..

You ever wonder if Kenny versus Spenny is Canada's subconscious reaction to Hill versus Bill? They all suck equally and should be cancelled with prejudice, Rhodes Scholar medical-grade marijuana or not.

"Thats part of wat I love about RP. He is IMHO one of the "truest" Christians running."

Ron Paul is a self-loathing, "blame America first" apologist for terrorists.
Posted by Bowa at 2007-12-04 09:39 PM

You mean that:

1. he isn't beholden to your BushCo or Neocons in general.

2. he isn't beholden to Israel or AIPAC.

3. he isn't beholden to fundamentalists of any religion.

4. he isn't beholden to unrestrained "capitalism" and outsourcing our economy.

5. he isn't beholden to the Federal Reserve infrastructure.

Basically, what you claim is "left-loathing" is in fact honest conservativism and upholding the Constitution while simultaneously focusing our economy on US citizens needs, not your fucking executive cronyism.

He's running, if anything, not on a platform of religion... but instead he's putting himself out there as a family man... family values, etc. It's the media and other leftists who have harped on any and all Republicans as it relates to their faith or their moral shortcomings. In Mitt's case, the wedge is Mormonism. Will "mainstream" Christians revolt? Tune in and see...

Look, a guy like a James Dobson... if he were to run, would be running on his standing in the "faith" community... not so much as a pol who happens to also be a churchgoer.

Personally I'd like to see more Christian leaders in business, government and as accountable leaders of their family. Not just Christian by name, but honest to goodness, God loving Christians. They are among the most sincere & caring friends I've had my whole life. And they aren't all Reps, either.

Posted by OohRah at 2007-12-04 08:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

OoRah,

He was governor of my state and has FLIP FLOPPED like a wet noodle.

He's playing the Pat Robertson/Jerry Falwell base for votes and acting as though he now wishes he was never governor of Mass because of it's 'wicked ways'. Running on a platform of saying I'm better than him because I go to church three times a week is definitely 'running on religion'.

As for wanting more people in positions based on there religion, I feel that is a recipe for disaster. Look at the Justice Dept scandal. The number three person at the justice dept was a 30 year old who had never tried a case in her life. She got the job simply because she attended Falwell's law school which is is rated so poorly that it barely qualifies for accreditation.

I personally would rather have brains than beliefs when it comes to things like the Justice Dept.

Corky -

Do you know something about Obama's faith that the rest of us don't? He goes to the United Church of Christ... probably the most liberal, least evangelical denomination short of being a Unitarian. Both his parents were atheists... and I don't think he believes they're burning in hell (as an fundamentalist might). He has said that he has doubts and has never "heard the voice of God".

As a Jeffersonian deist myself, Obama is as close to logical as we're going to get in a candidate today.

Lawnchair, and others:

We should be so pleased that in Obama we have a guy so intelligent, so inspired and so honest with us that he wants to be President. We should feel joy that he might be nominated, and that if he is he will win.

We should shout from the windows and the rooftops that this country can again have a President who loves us. Who cares. Who wants to try to bring the USA into the new world, a better world. He may fail, but that doesn't matter. He will try. Nobody else gets close. It's not about religious faith, but it's about faith and love of our country as a force for good.

Ron Paul is a self-loathing, "blame America first" apologist for terrorists.

Posted by Bowa at 2007-12-04 09:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

What a fucking moron.

Do you know something about Obama's faith that the rest of us don't? He goes to the United Church of Christ... probably the most liberal, least evangelical denomination short of being a Unitarian. Both his parents were atheists...

Obama's father was a muslim who died when Obama was very young. Obama says his father was a "confirmed atheist" and maybe that's what he was told -- but Obama, Sr. was still buried by his family as a muslim. So as far as we know this atheism was never officially recognized by his community. And obvioulsy Obama, Sr's atheism was not important enough to him to have it reflected in his funeral service.

Obama's stepfather was also a muslim though not devout. Obama's mother has been described as an atheist. Obama describes his mother as "spiritual" and a "skeptic" about organized religion which suggests that if she was not an atheist she was probably an agnostic -- for all practical purposes it is safe to say she led a secular life.

Obama himself converted to Christianity as an adult.

While no one can seriously argue that Obama grew up in a religious household, he certainly was exposed to Islamic culture and the muslim community from the time he was born. A lot of people argue that this experience gives Obama a deeper understanding of Islam then any other candidate. And I agree with that. But I also believe that his background will further inflame muslim extremists (as if they need much prompting) since under "sharia" law, Obama is an apostate who rejected the religion of his father.

Frankly, I don't care about that -- but for those who believe that Jihadists only hate the USA because of George Bush will be in for a rude awakeing when muslim extremists don't warm easily to an apostate leading the "great satan" all of a sudden.

Of course, I believe that Obama's apostate status is one of his biggest selling points -- the sooner that the Lefties in this country can be shown how truly insane the Jihadists are -- and that nothing short of the entire destruction of the US and Israel will appease them -- the quicker this nation will understand the importance of continuing the war in Iraq and afghanistan as important fronts in the war on terror.

Obama's father was a muslim who died when Obama was very young

ooops I meant "Obama's father was a muslim who left when Obama was very young"

Does BOWA ever have a point, always trying to bend reality with assertions of false ideas but never ever pushing actual facts.

And to believe this BOWA has an aversion toward people critical of our military actions. Nothing but political stupidity from a not so educated individual.

Hey Bowa, maybe Barak, whoops, I mean Hussein has an illegitimate black baby, too? He'll soil the White House furniture with his Muslim food and everything.. Git dem Duke Boys!! GOOTCH!

I got a God Card for Christmas one year. Guess I should have saved it.

- but for those who believe that Jihadists only hate the USA because of George Bush

Got any proof of this absurd statement?

PLEASE don't use "litmus test" when describing pro or con. It's a means of measuring the PH - both alkalinity and acidity, not one OR the other, but a scale.

Posted by RedLightRobot

No, I think it's a good expression. The discussion here isn't over whether people want a religious President. We've seen through the years that is true. What this debate is about is how religious a candidate should be.

ohplease..........I know that all of you bluehaired ladies and old guys with huge prostrates remember in 1960 when all the talk was about the pope being the assistant president......
IT DIDNT MAKE ONE DIFFERENCE that jfk was catholic, did it??
and just how does bush talking about God change what he did and change what he would have done....
maybe just giving up on stem cells....( since proven that HE WAS RIGHT and vindicated.)........
and I think its the same way here......
if rommny is elected the ghost of jonathon smith.( is that the guys name?).......wont appear and take charge and if huckabee is elected.......Prayer meetings and revivals wont be required......you unblievers will still be able to attack christians with the same fervor that I know there is a God.....

it just wont matter.....so whats the big deal?

yes......now personnaly I wouldnt vote for someone who doesnt believe in God but thats because I know when they do, they share my ideas on certain issues, such as gay marriage and abortion and things like that.......it sort of connects me to them, if thats the way to say it......
but even that doesnt mean that we would agree on all issues.....look at the total candidate.....and thats where the BEAST may be finding herslef in a little more of a battle than we all thought she might be in......

If you claim a beleif in mythical story and fiction, you are not competent to be president. That beleif corrupts the ability to serve your fellow citizens. You cannot pursue liberty and justice for man, whilst compelling your fellow citizens unto the law of your gods' religion. They are incompatable.
Not to mention it is entirely illegal under the Constitution.
However, that has never stopped them.

Fact of the matter, christians, jews, muslims, hindi- whatever, your "religion" is an act of terrorism upon man, whether purposful in intent, or as an appeaser or enabler.

Not only will I not vote for you, I will not, under any circumstances, recognise your authority.
Evil, diseased, bankrupt of morals.

If you claim a beleif in mythical story and fiction, you are not competent to be president.

So you have never voted?

Ron Paul is a self-loathing, "blame America first" apologist for terrorists.
Posted by Bowa at 2007-12-04 09:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

What a fucking moron.
Posted by Alexandrite at 2007-12-04 11:31 PM |

I'd tag that one as "Newsworthy," Alexandrite, except the observation has been made before. Bowa's often like one of those dolls where you stick your finger in a loop on its back, pull on a cord and listen to a recorded message.

Other quotes from Huckabee regarding Romney's religion:

"I'm just not going to go off into evaluating other people's doctrines and faiths. I think that is absolutely not a role for a president," the former Arkansas governor said during a week in which religion has become an important issue in the Republican presidential race, particularly in Iowa.

"I don't think it's relevant to the presidency. I really don't," he said. "You know, I get all these questions about somebody else's religion. I only want to address the ones about my own, and I think some of those get a little bit almost unfortunately laborious because, you know, we ought to be talking about education and health care and energy independence and all these other things."

While he said he respects "anybody who practices his faith," Huckabee said what other people believe _ he named Republican rivals Romney, John McCain, Rudy Giuliani and Democratic front-runner Hillary Rodham Clinton _ "is theirs to explain, not mine, and I'm not going to."

He also resisted wading into theology when pressed to explain why some evangelicals don't view the Mormon faith as a Christian denomination.

"If I'm invited to be the president of a theological school, that'll be a perfectly appropriate question, but to be the president of the United States, I don't know that that's going to be the most important issue that I'll be facing when I'm sworn in," he said.

"Not only will I not vote for you, I will not, under any circumstances, recognise your authority."
--GITMBOY

I guess you'll be staying home in '08.

"If you claim a belief in mythical story and fiction, you are not competent to be president."

This sounds like the most intolerant viewpoint of all! First of all it's YOUR viewpoint that the Bible is mythical! Someone who would strip us of our religious beliefs simply because they do not want to live by any moral law is going against the very basis on which our country was founded. This country was created so that we could express our religious opinion, not have it repressed by people like this who doesn't want humanity to be held accountable by any standard. I personally do not trust humanity, void of God, to create a moral society. Humans are too inherently selfish.

" This sounds like the most intolerant viewpoint of all!"

.....not so.....not wanting a delusional person in political office is a reasonable expectation....

" First of all it's YOUR viewpoint that the Bible is mythical!"

......not so.....the vast majority of the known world has rejected accepting the bible and Christianity as nothing but second-hand mythology.....on par with Zeus, Thor, Wiccanism and the tooth fairy...

" Someone who would strip us of our religious beliefs simply because they do not want to live by any moral law is going against the very basis on which our country was founded."

........not so.....no one wants to strip you of any of your delusions, they just don't share your feeble-mindedness

" I personally do not trust humanity, void of God, to create a moral society."

........that must be because of the Catholic child molesting priests, the protestant "ministers for money" , and the Muslims who will kill you & your cousin for any vague reason have done such a bang up job being "moral"........you are gullible.......

I personally fear humanity when it is inspired by its belief in God to commit acts which are justified by relgious morality.
Jihad is part of a religious morality.
The Inquisition was part of a religious morality.
Slavery was part of a religious morality.

Seems to me that the further we get from a religious morality the more moral we become.

Secular humanism is actually more moral than Christianity.

It's not that religion is the problem, just extreme branches of good religion. Just like extreme humanism produces murder and war over other things than religion...like power.
And if "Christians" say anyone is not Christian it just simply means that they don't follow MAIN STREAM Christianity, which isn't even what the original followers of Christ believed. If the Christians of 50-100AD saw what today's "Christians" believed they would be shocked. They didn't believe in the trinity, Harper's Bible dictionary even states that the doctrine of the Trinity isn't a scriptural based teaching but was settled upon in the arguments and settlements of Nicaea and the subsequent meetings to come to an agreement and put the letters together into the Bible. If you found an original work of John the Beloved that didn't make it into the Bible for size or whatever and you believed it was true, and it was, you would not be main stream.

If you claim a beleif in mythical story and fiction, you are not competent to be president. That beleif corrupts the ability to serve your fellow citizens. You cannot pursue liberty and justice for man, whilst compelling your fellow citizens unto the law of your gods' religion. They are incompatable.
Not to mention it is entirely illegal under the Constitution.
However, that has never stopped them.

Fact of the matter, christians, jews, muslims, hindi- whatever, your "religion" is an act of terrorism upon man, whether purposful in intent, or as an appeaser or enabler.

Not only will I not vote for you, I will not, under any circumstances, recognise your authority.
Evil, diseased, bankrupt of morals.

Posted by gitmboy at 2007-12-05 08:55 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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You know what I have found the most devout religious folks tend to do better than the ones who aren't funny how that all works out.

Larry Mohr

******It's not that religion is the problem, just extreme branches of good religion. Ewendels*****

........wrong......religion is the problem.......

........it will be a better world when all people will have to justify all their actions to their fellow man, and not have the fallback position of "the invisible-man-in-the-sky made me do it"....

******You know what I have found the most devout religious folks tend to do better than the ones who aren't funny how that all works out.

Larry Mohr****

......you mean like Bin Laden ?.....very devout that Osama boy......and his pious followers.....

........you know its not that he's a bad boy but Allah made him do it.......

Man has done many evil things to his fellow man in the name of "God."

Man continues to do this very thing.

Man has used the "God excuse" and gotten away with it for far too long.

From genocide, to sodomizing minors, to claiming they have been given "promised land" the list goes on.

The bottom line is man is just plain evil, and will use any excuse available (the God excuse is best) to take advantage of his fellow man any time he gets the chance.

Even athiests do it.

Some of the greatest atrocities have been carried out by athiests, supporting Communism.

It all comes down to man is evil, and thank goodness there are those out there who will stand up to bad men, and keep them in check.

maybe just giving up on stem cells....( since proven that HE WAS RIGHT and vindicated.)........

Wow, another Missiion Accomplished banner needs to be hung up! But better wait until they actually prove the new process works. And then a round of applause for all the researchers who used embryonic stem cells to get to the new process.

Sorry to pop your Bush Has Succeeded at Something balloon BLT, but, like your claim Bush didn't do any one to one negotiations with little Kim, this one is popped too.
Reality sucks, doesn't it?

Let all refer to him as Reverand Huckabee and see what that does for him.

How come we are even discussing this issue when the Constitution CLEARLY points out 'No religious Test' for office?????

Oh, yes...Because you religious MORONS believe it is a 'god-damned piece of paper' that you would rather shred and replace with Hamurabbi's code (The eleven....[Crash] uh...ten commandments.)

That 'God-damned Piece of paper' protects your right to be an ignorant fairy tale believing moron.

And it protects me from having your Fairy Tale shoved down my throat.

Lol...religious morons the lot of you!

PS: stop reiterating your revisionism history about the US founded on Christian Principles. It is a lie and you know it.
PPS: It's Joseph Smith, Not Johnathan Smith, you religious Moron!

"How come we are even discussing this issue when the Constitution CLEARLY points out 'No religious Test' for office?????

Oh, yes...Because you religious MORONS believe it is a 'god-damned piece of paper'"
--DUMPLING1

There is no religious test for office. Anyone, of any belief, can be president, senator, etc.

You just happen to live in a society where most of the voters are religious, and they are allowed to choose their candidates however they wish.

it's his obdurate and narrow-minded religious beliefs.
The statement of a narrow minding librul genious who revels in feeling of self importance.

Why hasn't the pig called Cohen asked this question of Obama?

Is it because Cohen is a piece of shit? Yes. Therefore someone should kick the shit out of him.

If you claim a beleif in mythical story and fiction, you are not competent to be president.
GitDumbass you just eliminated 95% of the past presidents. BTW, your posting place you in the category of being a borderline idiot.

stop reiterating your revisionism history about the US founded on Christian Principles.
So the settlers from England were Mooselims? Or they were land speculators? You are clueless boy.

The number three person at the justice dept was a 30 year old who had never tried a case in her life.
Yeah, that reminds me of a time in the 90's. There was this person with no experience in health care or government. Somehow she was placed into the leading role of a social reengineering project called heath care reform. Obviously, she was surrounded by 'experts' in the field and would simply facilitate the discussions. But for some reason, the whole thing crashed around her. But the story has a happy ending, she went on to be a Senator for a state that she didn't live in...

Right Larry.
skizziks you are very confused. You would not have any rights had religion not come into the development of this country. The founding fathers were very adament about having religion taught in elementry school, not sectist docterine, just basic religion to instill integrity at a young age. They just didn't want the govt to control the churches or the CHURCHES, not religion, to be involved in govt. Religion made this country and when it tries to take God out of it it will no longer be great.

"The founding fathers were very adament about having religion taught in elementry school,"

Could you post a link, or direct us to something substantiating this? I have never heard that claim before.

~~~ Samuel Adams: " Let...statesmen and patriots unite their endeavors to renovate the age by...educating their little boys and girls...and leading them in the study and practice of the exalted virtues of the Christian system."


~~~ James Madison, FATHER of the U.S. Constitution: "We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government; upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God."

~~~ George Washington, October 3, 1789: "It is the duty of all nations to acknowledge THE Providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and to humbly implore His protection and favor."


~~~ John Adams, 1756 (our 2nd President) -- MY PERSONAL FAVORITE, BTW: "Suppose a nation in some distant region should take the Bible for their only Law Book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited... What a paradise would this region be!" ~~~


~~~ Benjamin Franklin: "History will also afford frequent opportunities of showing the necessity of a public religion...and the excellency of the Christian religion above all others, ancient or modern."

Could you post a link, or direct us to something substantiating this? I have never heard that claim before.

The fact that the Mcguffey reader , which used many biblical quotes and references was the primary textbook in public schools used to teach children how to read and write for almost 100 years tends to prove without a doubt that the there was no aversion to the mixing of government and religion in some areas.

The idea of a "separation of church and state" was meant only to prevent an actual state sponsored religion like "The Church of England" it was never meant to take religious dialogue entirely out of government. In fact, the letter in which jefferson wrote that famous line was to reassure some babtists in danbury that he the President nor the US Governemnt of the US would "assume the prerogatives of Jehovah, and make laws to govern the kingdom of Christ."

I meant, "In fact, the letter in which jefferson wrote that famous line was to reassure some babtists in danbury that NEITHER he the President nor the US Governemnt of the US would "assume the prerogatives of Jehovah, and make laws to govern the kingdom of Christ."

The idiocy of mixing religion and politics was best exemplified in the 1980 campaign, in a televised debate between Reagan and Carter. Remember, this was during the Cold War, and these two individuals were seeking the office of president of a superpower. I was astounded (and disgusted!) when their debate degenerated into an argument about whether or not God hears the prayers of Jews.

I decided then that any pandering to religious prejudices should DISQUALIFY any candidate.

***** So the settlers from England were Mooselims? Or they were land speculators? You are clueless boy.

Posted by slicksterWilly******

.......they were thieves....stole the land from the Indians..........

***** skizziks you are very confused. You would not have any rights had religion not come into the development of this country. EWENDELS ******

........the facts say otherwise........on the world democracy index (which you can also google if you want to get depressed) we rank far below a whole bunch of godless countries in terms of democratic rights and choices..........not even in the top ten..........

Sweden 1 9.88 10.00 10.00 10.00 9.38 10.00
Iceland 2 9.71 10.00 9.64 8.89 10.00 10.00
Netherlands 3 9.66 9.58 9.29 9.44 10.00 10.00
Norway 4 9.55 10.00 9.64 10.00 8.13 10.00
Denmark 5 9.52 10.00 9.64 8.89 9.38 9.71
Finland 6 9.25 10.00 10.00 7.78 8.75 9.71
Luxembourg 7 9.10 10.00 9.29 7.78 8.75 9.71
Australia 8 9.09 10.00 8.93 7.78 8.75 10.00
Canada 9 9.07 9.17 9.64 7.78 8.75 10.00
Switzerland 10 9.02 9.58 9.29 7.78 8.75 9.71
Ireland 11= 9.01 9.58 8.93 7.78 8.75 10.00
New Zealand 11= 9.01 10.00 8.57 8.33 8.13 10.00
Germany 13 8.82 9.58 8.57 7.78 8.75 9.41
Austria 14 8.69 9.58 8.21 7.78 8.75 9.12
Malta 15 8.39 9.17 8.21 6.11 8.75 9.71
Spain 16 8.34 9.58 7.86 6.11 8.75 9.41
US 17 8.22 8.75 7.86 7.22 8.75 8.53
Czech Republic 18 8.17 9.58 6.79 7.22 8.13 9.12

........even worse........our social mobility index, which used to be our special metier, has also dropped dramatically and continues to drop........

.........you are confusing religion with being played for a sucker by politicians......just take a look at the Huckabee news today......this religious man let out a known rapist from jail who went on to rape dozens and kill at least two more people just because he wanted to hurt Bill Clinton......thats your religious people for you.......

.........and remember, when you take the side of religion in public affairs, you take the side of Bin Laden..........

"As for wanting more people in positions based on there religion, I feel that is a recipe for disaster. Look at the Justice Dept scandal. The number three person at the justice dept was a 30 year old who had never tried a case in her life. She got the job simply because she attended Falwell's law school which is is rated so poorly that it barely qualifies for accreditation.

I personally would rather have brains than beliefs when it comes to things like the Justice Dept."

Hmm... I guess it beats giving control of health care to the woman he banged an a nice gov't job to the slut that blew him.

Conservative Christians jumped on the "God tells me what to do" band wagon that Dubya sold them. Only problem.... Now they are questioning God's decision making skills...

Ha Ha Ha

Bowa, hOORAH yall are fucking hilarious...

Nothing wrong with having faith in a higher power.
But whe you try to use it as a vehicle in your political career you tend to come out looking like the REV. Jim Jones.
Hukleberry Huckabee is nothing more that a tent revival preacher. More than likely plays with snakes..

Did I mention that I hear the sound of banjos?????

Sorry to pop your Bush Has Succeeded at Something balloon BLT, but, like your claim Bush didn't do any one to one negotiations with little Kim, this one is popped too.
Reality sucks, doesn't it?

Posted by northguy3 at 2007-12-05


I disagree on both cases......but its not unexpected for your side to have already started the rewriting of history.,....its a good thing that RUSH IS RIGHT as well.,.....the legacy of bush will be written by someone who hasnt even been born yet.....

and of course bush had nothing to do with the korea situation........its what we predicted the whole time...........

PS: stop reiterating your revisionism history about the US founded on Christian Principles. It is a lie and you know it.
PPS: It's Joseph Smith, Not Johnathan Smith, you religious Moron!

Posted by dumpling1 at 2007-12-05 02:28 PM


first of all......its not very 'progressive' of you to call someone names because they couldnt remember the name of a founder of a religion they know little about.......you sanctamonious piece of shit.....so take your attitude and stick it up your fat ass sideways.


as far as your first charge.....just yesterday there was a columnist named rick casey in the houston chronicle.....who is a FLAMING LIBERAL BY THE WAY........with the following.......
" why science needs history"

subject was an administratot with texas education agency who was fired for something about speaker about intelligent design and he finished article with lines about us being founded as a christian nation......gave the following info to proove that......


*17th century....englishmen in boston was jailed for repeatedly missing church

*roger williams about the same time, upon getting here from england because of religious persecution was told that he was in peril for that stance here.

* 1844, a jesuit priest in maine advised catholic families to go to court to block a school order that required thier children to read a protestant king james version of bible......priest was grabbed by mob and tarred and feathered...

*1859, Tom Wall refused to cite the ten commandments in a boston PUBLIC school...the teacher hit the boy across the knuckles with the schools permission.....a GOVERNMENT SCHOOL
the boys father sued the school and challenged the requirement......THE COURTY RULED FOR THE SCHOOL

* 1869.....cincinnati school board voted 22 to 15 to honor the request of the catholic parents to end the reading of protestant bible in school, they sued.....a three judge panel ruled for THE GOVERNMENT SCHOO>>>.....quoting......."reading the bible is necessary for good government"

article concluded with...

seperation is Not found in constitution.....(as we all know)......but it has evolved through the courts....BUT NOT TO KEEP RELIGION OUT......it was not to protect jews or muslims or atheists....it was developed to keep some christians from ruling the consciences of other christians, just as for centuries they had tried to do in europe....


in the end though he does quote the ohio supreme court who overuled the last item....." all history shows us that the more widely and completely they (government and religion) are seperated, the better it is for both"


and believe it or not.......I dont disagree with that.........


so dont try and tell us that this country wasnt founded on christian values whether they are values I agree with or you agree with..........

your blanket covering all bases bullshit comment is what I differ with.......

and another quote from that ohio supreme court in 1869 .......
"united with government, religion never rises above the merest superstition,united with religion, government never rises above the merest despotism"

and I dont disagree with all of that either......

but of course all of these things like this have been taken by the modern american liberal to believe that it is open season on christians.....and THAT is against the constitution as well..........