Huckabee/Paul?
McCain/Paul?

could be interesting... he'll never get the GOP nomination, but maybe a VP candidate... seems to make money, has a bit of a buzz around him... who knows...

Paul/Kucinich would be very interesting. The could start a viable third party with the cash they have.

Paul/Kucinich would be very interesting. The could start a viable third party with the cash they have.

Posted by FRED at 2007-12-03 03:24 PM | Reply |


They'd be the libertarian party I think....

And I think I'd vote for it. Although I gotta say I'm not crazy about Ron Paul for prez. Kucinich was practically born to be VP.

Paul/Kucinich would be very interesting.

That either hands victory to the GOP, or it gets 7 votes and is irrelevant...

Paul Expects $12 Million Quarter
He can "expect" it all he wants....
Why would I give him a quarter if I thought said quarter was worth 12 Million Dollars?

If Ron Paul were VP he would at least know what branch of the government he belonged to and he wouldn't be trying to run the presidency using the president as a puppet. Also, I doubt he would say fuck you to a senator and is probably a better hunter than the current VP.

"Why would I give him a quarter if I thought said quarter was worth 12 Million Dollars?"

Well duh, maybe it's a rare collectable coin which has a mistake on it or something.

It just amazes me at the millions being spent by candidates just to try to get elected, knowing only two of them will actually make it to the election for the ultimate prize.

Can you imagine the good that could be done with that money?

Kucinich was practically born to be VP.

Posted by KnightHawk at 2007-12-03 03:28 PM | Reply

It does not take a lot of talent to ride on a private jet and attend funerals. Hell, even Algore could do that.

Kucinich was practically born to be VP.

Posted by KnightHawk at 2007-12-03 03:28 PM | Reply

It does not take a lot of talent to ride on a private jet and attend funerals. Hell, even Algore could do that.

Can you imagine the good that could be done with that money?

Posted by anamerican at 2007-12-03 03:38 PM | Reply

Most of it goes to the major media in the form of advertising.

"Can you imagine the good that could be done with that money?"

Well, a lot of good is being done with that money. In the case of Ron Paul, it will be used to communicate to the American people a message of freedom, no wars of agressiona and a return to constitutional government.

Also, the people who work in advertising benefit, and the local economy of Iowa, New Hampshire, etc, where these people have campaign offices.

I doubt very seriously that either Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich would ever agree to be VP for any of the other candidates. Both really are running more to bring issues to the attention of the people more than in hopes of being elected.

It does not take a lot of talent to ride on a private jet and attend funerals. Hell, even Algore could do that.

Posted by vernon

Good point, and so could Dan Quayle

Huckabee/Paul?
McCain/Paul?

could be interesting... he'll never get the GOP nomination, but maybe a VP candidate... seems to make money, has a bit of a buzz around him... who knows...

He would never support those clowns, because he'd become an unprincipled douche bag like the rest of them. (As a side note, is "douchebag" one word, two words, or can you hypenate it? Hmm...one of the most important questions of our time...)

I'm gonna say he'll break 15 million. He's going to get at least as much money on December 16th as he did on November 5th. I'm going to say he'll finish around 16 million.

Freeeeeeeeedoooooooooom!!


Well, Paul may be raising a lot of money--but he's still a nut. He looked HORRIBLE in the last debate. And to tell you the truth, i was actually rooting for him--there were several situations where i thought he'd lay the smack down but whiffed.


WASTE. OF. MONEY.


And paul/kucinich would NEVER happen. They may agree on the war, but that is about it. They have fundamental differences of opinion as to what the federal government should be involved in.


I used to get annoyed with the insane ramblings of RP and his minions---now i find them extremely hilarious and entertaining. Keep it up Paulie!!

A bloody shame that all these gathered dollars will be for naught.

RP will never be nominated, let alone elected. RP is anathema to the tax and spend crowd, that is, the Repubs and the Demos.

Nor will RP even get a coat-tail ride as VeeP. See above.

I would/will vote for RP if allowed. The country needs a new (old!) direction, some radical new (old!) ideas.

Ain't gonna happen.

Well, at least this money is being "wasted" for a peaceful purpose, no one is being coerced into giving it, and it doesn't go to foreigners who don't need it and will put it in a Swiss bank account.

A lot of money is wasted each year in lots of stupid government programs, foreign aid and wars of agression designed to keep the military industrial complex happy and bloated, and in addition, people are forced to pay for all that wasted. So don't come crying to me about how wasteful it is to spend moeny on Ron Paul when it's nothing compared to the billions and trillions that are really wasted each year on useless crap.

Well, Paul may be raising a lot of money--but he's still a nut. He looked HORRIBLE in the last debate.

How is he a nut? LOL!!!

I can't wait to hear this.

BTW, he did great in the debate. Threw McCain's planned attack back into his face.

More people know who Paul is because of it.

If you got Google behind you....

I would/will vote for RP if allowed. The country needs a new (old!) direction, some radical new (old!) ideas.

Ain't gonna happen.

Posted by ZOT


What if he goes to another party? Would you vote for him then?

I hear that his following has a good percentage of the Democrats too.

BTW, I'll be voting for him, no matter what.

While it wasn't his best performance, I don't think he did bad in the YouTube debate at all. His only problem was his brain fart when he forgot that northern Iraqis are called Kurds. Other than that he did fantastic.

designed to keep the military industrial complex happy and bloated

Actually to maintain our empire. Did you know that we have over 700 bases world-wide?

I'm sick of people saying that non-interventionism is the same as isolationism. If that's the case than we have 2 black and white choices. We can either be an isolationist fortress or an empire.

"What if he goes to another party? Would you vote for him then?"

RP's party affiliation matters not to me.

I have even been considering changing my (non)party affiliation temporarily to Repub so I can at least put one vote in for RP in the Primaries.

"How is he a nut? LOL!!!"

Yeah, and how can a nut raise so much money, in other words, how can someone who is supposedly a fringe lunatic get so much supprt?

Yeah, and how can a nut raise so much money, in other words, how can someone who is supposedly a fringe lunatic get so much supprt?

Posted by member2586 at 2007-12-03 05:16 PM | Reply |

The real question is should I bother to list such people for you, or just leave this to public education...

I have even been considering changing my (non)party affiliation temporarily to Repub so I can at least put one vote in for RP in the Primaries.

Posted by ZOT


I did the same thing. In fact I am recruiting as many people as I can before the deadline on Wed.

This race is going to be a hoot!

"How is he a nut? LOL!!!"

Yeah, and how can a nut raise so much money, in other words, how can someone who is supposedly a fringe lunatic get so much supprt?

Posted by member2586


Member, you are ignorant. Do more research on the guy before passing judgement.

You know? Madison thought the same of Jefferson back in the day.

Member, For your information, this "fringe lunitic" has the support of Google and the Military.

Hmmm...

I wonder if much of Mr. Paul's and Mr. Huckabee's support is flowing from Democrat sources. Both of them are eminently beatable. The only Democrat candidate either of them might beat is Mr. Kucinich.

The next ploy on the horizon is either the Democrats or Republicans egging on and surreptitiously supporting a fringe third party candidate to draw votes from the nominee of the other party.

Wanna bet it's gonna happen?

12 mil and Ron Paul is standing in the GOP exactly where Joe Biden is with the Dems.

Biden/Paul 2008: We know you don't know who we are.

I'm sick of people saying that non-interventionism is the same as isolationism. If that's the case than we have 2 black and white choices. We can either be an isolationist fortress or an empire.

Actually Bush has createds a third option: an isolationist fortress that can't protect its borders while being a failed empire.

Ron Paul has so much money because his supporters now have a new spamming algorithm that converts spam into money. It's known as the new Rumpelstiltskin codec...it turns email into GOLD!

Member, you are ignorant. Do more research on the guy before passing judgement.

You know? Madison thought the same of Jefferson back in the day.

Hey Eddie, go easy! Member IS on our team! :)

Ron Paul is pulling alot of money away from Hillary and Obama.

It seems to me that the vast majority of Ron Paul supporters are young republicans in their 20's and 30's who realize their party won't do anything for them unless their daddy's are rich, who don't want to die in the middle east, who don't understand the purpose of government (beyond the republican definition:"government exists to protect my money and property from foreign and domestic threats") and who have bough into the conservative talking points about progressive causes.
At the last (Youtube) debate all he could talk about was the war (on which I agree with him btw) and could not give a direct answer to the question regarding investing in repairing America's infrastructure (something a fervent libertarian would be against, I guess).
I find it ironic that RP's support is mainly coming from the web, since the internet was created through government funded research (thank you Al!), which would never have taken place if Ron Paul or his ilk were in charge at that time.
I don't understand how this old crank, who is a libertarian yet is pro-life, can have a cult of personality built around him. He's an old dude that probably yells at kids to stay off his yard, he's not Tyler Durden!

I don't understand how......

Posted by DARTHCHENEY at 2007-12-03 07:52 PM

That sums it up correctly!

"At the last (Youtube) debate all he could talk about was the war (on which I agree with him btw) and could not give a direct answer to the question regarding investing in repairing America's infrastructure (something a fervent libertarian would be against, I guess)." -DarthCheney


An anarchist would be completely against government building up infrastructure. In some aspects a Ron Paul libertarian would be against FEDERAL government building up infrastructure, but the constitution gives the Congress the power to establish things like roads, so Ron Paul would not be against certain infrastructure projects. Therefore his comments, that we would be better off rebuilding bridges here than we currently are blowing up and rebuilding foreign bridges is relevant. Other projects that are not specified in the constitution can and should be worked on by the state and local governments.

And aside from the war and infrastructure, Ron Paul talked about the importance of reducing spending so we can lower taxes, and he talked about the possibilities of a North American Union, and the threat that this alliance (as well as the UN) has on our sovereignty. Other than that, Ron Paul was pretty much ignored the entire debate, so the lack of other points is not entirely his fault.

I don't understand how......

Posted by DARTHCHENEY at 2007-12-03 07:52 PM

That sums it up correctly!

Posted by ride_on


Well, can you explain it to me? Or is it too much to expect from a one-liner, pathetic, internet-badass troll?

Ron Paul talked about the importance of reducing spending so we can lower taxes...

Posted by Incredibleplum


That's what all republican candidates talk about. The question is what spending and who's taxes.

North American Union, and the threat that this alliance (as well as the UN) has on our sovereignty


When, exactly, has US sovereignty been compromised by the UN? Do you think it is even possible?
And this NA union.. I just don't buy it. It seems to me that its the sequel to "The UN wants to decide what brand of toothpaste you use" BS that is fed to people who don't know any better, except that this version throws in racist anti-Mexican undertones to the mix and plays nicely with the Republican plans to make immigration the "gay marriage" issue for '08.

I like the fact that when ANY good news comes out about Ron Paul all of the Republicans get all flustered...

He is a "cult of personality" because he is saying EXACTLY what Americans want to hear...

His campaign funding is indicative of this, as-well-as the fact that he has won nearly ALL of the debates he has participated in by landslide...

Must just be the "internet phenomenon" as Faux Noise so eloquently coined it...

Having said this, the fact that Ron Paul bunches the panties of so many Neo/Christ/Con/Corp folk is reason enough for me to send him money and change party affiliation just to vote for him...

A vote for Ron Paul is a vote against the Global Corporate Fascist Regime. And, (as it has been said SO many times): "The revolution ISN'T being televised"...

Cut spending:

Bring the troops home and close foreign bases
Get out of the UN
Shut down the Fed
Shut down the Department of Education
Shut down the Department of Energy
Shut down the Department of Homeland Security
Shut down the Department of Health and Human Services
Privatize things like NASA
Put an end to NAFTA, CAFTA, the World Bank, the WTO

All of these are either harming our national security, compromising our sovereignty, are unconstitutional, and/or can be better handled at the state or local level.



Whose taxes?:

After reducing spending that much? Everyone. We'd be saving trillions. It would be enough cut spending that we would no longer need the money that is taken from us through the personal income tax as we currently know it.

Sovereignty is always compromised when you add a new government. It's similar to how the federal government compromises the sovereignty of the state governments.

Sure the federal government still has more control than the UN, but we are somewhat governed by the UN and the fact that we are supposed to follow rules and that we must pay for this international government does take away a part of our sovereignty.

I don't have time, currently, to go into detail on this or the NAU as I have a football game to watch. Perhaps later.

Plum, are you trying to answer DarthCheney's question..."Can you explain it to me"? Don't waste your time on the POS, he's very, very closed minded and is a shill for his Dem establishment.

A vote for Ron Paul is a vote against the Global Corporate Fascist Regime. And, (as it has been said SO many times): "The revolution ISN'T being televised"...

Posted by CaptainOfUranus


I can just picture it, tubby republican college students in their bow-ties, glasses and suspenders running around at night painting Ron Paul graffiti on the town WalMart, sticking it to the man! That would be quite a change for the quintesential establishment loving and authority ass-kissing republicans!



Cut spending:

Bring the troops home and close foreign bases
Get out of the UN
Shut down the Fed
Shut down the Department of Education
Shut down the Department of Energy
Shut down the Department of Homeland Security
Shut down the Department of Health and Human Services
Privatize things like NASA
Put an end to NAFTA, CAFTA, the World Bank, the WTO


I did notice that while he plans to eliminate many of the departments that (when working correctly) protect the american citizen/consumer from abuse at the hands of large corporations (lead toys brought to you by Walmart), he has no plan to curb the spending on big-ticket military toys which are a favorite of the legendary military/industrial complex Eisenhower warned us of.

BTW, foreign governments are not demanding we set up bases in their countries, and these trade agreements were not imposed on us. Do you consider abiding by the terms of trade (or other) agreements our government signs with other nations to be a breach of sovereignty? Or do you object with the fact that these agreements were signed to the benefit of corporations at the expense of the american middle class? These are two different things.

International agreements may need to be changed, but saying that we're going to pull out of all of them is like junking your car because it needs an oil change.

This isn't the year 5000bc and we're not trying to invent government from scratch. Many things have been tried, some worked and some didn't. I don't believe third world countries would willingly adopt many of the changes RP is suggesting (unless forced to by the IMF or World Bank), so I don't see the sense of them.

I think people are realizing the system is fundamentally corrupt, working against them and may be beyond repair (BushII showed us that), so I can understand the gut feeling of a desire to press the "reset" button. But that would null out all of the progress that has been made to this point. America reached its peak greatness after the New Deal after WW2, we should remember that.

Plum, are you trying to answer DarthCheney's question..."Can you explain it to me"? Don't waste your time on the POS, he's very, very closed minded and is a shill for his Dem establishment.

Posted by ride_on


Go fuck yourself little man. Get back to us after you move out of your parent's house and your mommy isn't washing your undies.

What a bunch of retarded posts on this thread.
Third party.
Vice President.

Ron Paul! The next president of the United States of America!
Unless they kill him!

Ding! Ding! Ding! We hit a nerve. And the DarthCheney whine turns into a howl.

....and the biggest retard of all....Darth Cheney....read the hypnotic post he made at 9:16PM. ROFLMAO

Ding! Ding! Ding! We hit a nerve. And the DarthCheney whine turns into a howl.

Posted by ride_on



Yeah, RODE ON, a howl of laughter. LOL

Ron Paul is under 4% nationally. Other than Tancredo and maybe Kucinich, who is he going to beat? Don't get me wrong, I hope he makes it to the Convention and runs as a third party candidate, to help the Democrats, but c'mon guys...

Giuliani: 25%; vs 28% in the previous survey, taken Nov. 11-14; and 34% in a Nov. 2-4 survey. So, his support has fallen 9 percentage points in a month.
Mike Huckabee: 16%; vs. 10% in the previous survey; and 6% before that. His support has risen 10 percentage points in a month.
Fred Thompson: 15%; vs. 19% in the previous survey; and 17% before that.
Sen. John McCain: 15%; vs. 13% in the previous survey; and 18% before that.
Mitt Romney: 12%; unchanged from the previous survey; and 14% before that.
No other GOP candidate was above 4%.

Democrats.

Clinton: 39%; vs. 48% in the previous survey; and 50% before that. Her support has fallen 11 percentage points in a month.
Sen. Barack Obama: 24%; vs. 21% in the previous survey; and 22% before that.
John Edwards: 15%; vs. 12% in the previous survey; and 15% before that.
No other candidate was above 4%.

It does not take a lot of talent to ride on a private jet and attend funerals. Hell, even Algore could do that.

Posted by vernon

Good point, and so could Dan Quayle

But only with Marilyn to help him get dressed.

I would vote for Paul over any Dem running--


It's getting closer to caucus time..

The mud is starting to fly --will get heavier.

The Dems seem to have a large percentage of Undecided folks...

Clinton is falling--so is Rudy--have to see how far..


Murphy

Ron Paul has enough money to stay in the race, but not enough to have an impact on TV, which is all that matters. That takes $500 million, which is why we're not a Democracy. We privatized the airways for basically nothing, except bribery and extortion in Washington.

Sorry Member. I misunderstood your post. My bad

Ron Paul! The next president of the United States of America!
Unless they kill him!

Posted by JeffnDenmark


I have heard that more than once. It has something to do with getting rid of the IRS and the Federal Reserve.

Ron Paul will raise 20 million by the end of the quarter. The 16th will bring in 6 or 7 million. He will be at or above 11 million by then and raising 2 million the last 2 weeks of the quarter should be no problem.

Wait until Ron Paul starts putting national advertising and the whole country gets a chance to hear his meesage.
He is going to sweep the country like wild fire!

"Putting out national advertising"
Coffee!!

Those that think that RP is pulling only repubs might be in for a big surprise. Most of the people I know are Dems and are voting for him.. And while he does appeal to a younger crowd, if you scan the huge crowds around him, you will see people from all age groups..

The attempts to marginalize and smear him in childish ways (because no other exist) will get old very soon and people will realize that he is the real deal..

Ron Paul has said many things that appeal to people. But it would be difficult, if not impossible to put many of his ideas to practice.

I also have a problem with his foreign policy stance. Do we need to make changes? Yes, but this country can't isolate itself from the world no matter how appealing that may be to many of us. When this country was founded, thousands of people couldn't afford to travel from country to country as they do today. Add to that the fact that these thousands of people can be anywhere in this world within a few short hours.

And as a nation, we certainly can't afford to ignore the fact there are people willing to die to see this country brought to its knees. Putting your head in the sand and thinking it will change doesn't change that fact.

Someone said "If you want Jimmy Carter redux with a Republican sticker on his ass, vote Ron Paul. Otherwise, choose someone who has accomplished something in his life and is intelligent enough to assimilate new information."

I think that sums it up pretty well.

He is going to sweep the country like wild fire!

I see a whopping 6% nationally.

And as a nation, we certainly can't afford to ignore the fact there are people willing to die to see this country brought to its knees. Putting your head in the sand and thinking it will change doesn't change that fact.

So you're telling me that pulling back all the military forces from bases around the world and put 1 or 2 divisions on the Mexican border and have 1 or 2 divisions checking all cargo coming into this country won't do more than what is being done now? Surely you jest.

Otherwise, choose someone who has accomplished something in his life and is intelligent enough to assimilate new information

If what you mean by new information is implementing the minutes of the most recent Bilderberg group meeting, then I'll pass on the "new information", thanks.

I'd say since RP was against the Iraq war from the beginning that he assimilated new information very well.

Wait til he comes in as the candidate who has raised the most money for the 4th quarter among the republicans, right ahead the Iowa Caucus and New Hampshire primary. He will smash this notion that "he cant win" and "hes a fringe candidate". People who like his message but think he cant win will enthusiastically cast their vote for him. He will get a ton of free press. They will not be able to ignore him. I cant wait til the 16th of this month when he yet again smashes a one day fund raising record.

Sooner of later the left wing nuts at Google will pull the plug and the clown known as Ron Paul will disappear.

Sooner of later the left wing nuts at Google will pull the plug and the clown known as Ron Paul will disappear

Spud looks at it this way.

Sure Ron Paul is half crazy.

But... compared to the other candidates fer the GOPher party who don't believe in evolution, who wanna double the size of Gitmo, who think the Iraq war is winnable in the traditional sense, who won't take nukes off the table vis a vis Iran, who think the economy is doing swell, who think the rise of the corporate army is a good thing etc etc Ron Paul is actually half sane in comparison cos those nutZ is full on CRAZY!

In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king.

In the GOPher party Ron Paul is that one eyed man.

Be Well.

Sooner of later the left wing nuts at Google will pull the plug and the clown known as Ron Paul will disappear


Yeah, right. You have not been foolowing Paul at all have you?

Listen to the truth not CNN or FOX


Sure Ron Paul is half crazy.

Spud, How is he half crazy?

Crazy for going against the status quo? Kind of like what happened in 1776?

Spud, check him out. Nothing sticks to him. There is nothing negative about him. I challenge you to find something.


In the GOPher party Ron Paul is that one eyed man.

You should include all the Dem candidates!!!

Spud, How is he half crazy?

Spud obviously disagrees with Ron Paul on the whole abortion issue and finds it odd that a ob-gyn would assert a "pro-life" aka pro forced birther position.

Spud's big fear with RP is that in his zeal to down-size government he will playing right into the hands of the privitisation/globalisation freaks.

Beyond that? Spud respects him fer his anti-war stand. Fer his frankness and his abilty to speak truth to power while the other dingleberries of the GOP still play Rah Rah politics-as-usual games.

Fer his commitment to returning the US to being a country that owes nothing to nobody and is it's own master on the world stage.

You should include all the Dem candidates!!!

That Spud canna do.

In a perfect world Spud would luff to see the '08 election between Ron Paul on the right and Barack Obama on the left but with the sad state of the US MSM as it is that just aint gonna happen.

Out of all the candiddates right and left Spud only sees Obama, Paul, and Kucinich as viable candidates according to platform.

Of the three, Spud only sees Obama as having a real shot at winning.

The MSM seem to be dedicated to shaping national opinion towards a Rudy/Hill run-off.

Even with the sheen coming off of Hill's "inevitability" and Rudy's latest fuck-fund scandal the MSM still seems determined to follow that script.

That all sed, Spud been telling folk fer a while now that this election aint gonna be like all the rest.

Blogworld and the rest of the alternate media are having an impact like never before and whether or not that's gonna be enuff to keep the corporately co-opted candidates off the big ticket is a matter of much specualation fer the spuddish one.

Spud lives in hope.

Be Well.

Spud obviously disagrees with Ron Paul on the whole abortion issue and finds it odd that a ob-gyn would assert a "pro-life" aka pro forced birther position.

Actually, that's not entirely correct. He is personally Pro-life, but thinks it's not up to the Feds to tell the States waht they can and can not do.

In short, it's up to the State to allow or dis-allow abortion.

Back in the day, before RvW, when abortion was illegal in some states and legal in others. Young girls had to travel across state lines and do it secret, etc.

That was, what 50 years ago?

I don't think there is a State that will dis-allow abortions. They may regulate it.

But, Paul is right. It's not a Federal issue. Never was.

He is following the Consitution. If that's crazy, then I'm crazy too.

Spud's big fear with RP is that in his zeal to down-size government he will playing right into the hands of the privitisation/globalisation freaks.

Good observation, but I disagree.

The Globalist are going to do what they do if the US Government is helping them or not.

I'd prefer that our government no be a part of it.

The Federal Reserve, IMHO, is helping these globalist by printing money out of nothing to support imports, thus providing revenue for overseas corporations.

This is a short and incomplete answer...

But, I'd prefer that we (the US) stay out of the conquest of the world.

Downsizing the government would get us out of the job of funding this effort. Making Corporations extremely rich at our expense.

Out of all the candiddates right and left Spud only sees Obama, Paul, and Kucinich as viable candidates according to platform.

Out of these...


Obama talks a good talk, but there is no conviction, no experience in his eyes. It seems he is repeating something he's heard. He's speaking theories. He also fosters the class struggle. Rich against the poor, etc. Groups against groups. We are all Americans and we are all individuals as written in the Constitution.

Kucinich saw an alien space craft and he believes that the passenger planes flying over the US are leaving Chem-Trails. Dropping chemicals on us. He also talks a good talk.

That's why I include ALL of the Dems and Repulicans in that "Land of the Blind" reference.

A $12 million dollar quarter!

That must be the extremely rare 1996 Dan Quayle Presidential quarter. Quayle cast it himself, using a potatoe as the mold.