Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Saturday, December 01, 2007

Thousands of Sudanese, many armed with clubs and swords and beating drums, burned pictures of a British teacher yesterday and demanded her execution for insulting Islam by letting her students name a teddy bear Muhammad.

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Imagine if US Christians did that every time someone besmerched Jesus. Or Christians throughout our world today.

millions in u.s. silent.

welllllll, unless you'd like to talk about throwing parents in jail for swatting their children for ill behavior...

The news item of the week, brought to you by the Islamic Death Cult.

ah yes......that good old PEACEFULL religion is at it again.........

but thats okay as long as we bow to them and kowtow to them it doesnt matter what kind of things like this happen to anyone. It just isnt something we can even comment on, hardly.....or care might come after us for being 'insensitive' to these poor islamics who demand someone die because of a fuckin bear named mohammed..........or the girl who was gangraped and SHE gets the lashes because .....well......as we all know.....she asked for it by being in that car........

and HERE IS THE FACE OF THE ENEMY that we are determined to kill and the FACE OF THE ENEMY that the left is ready to surrender to.

Here is an Idea. we know Muslims don't like us so why bother even going there?

here's a better one...drop a couple of 1000 lb bombs on these protesters...

Libs will wake up one of these days when it's their kid, son, sister, daughter, aunt, uncle etc.

Til then the adults will continue to prioritize the matter and knock down the dominos accordingly despite the apologist left.

This thing is just winding up. Mohammad is being given the chance to act like a human and soon will be given the final chance.

A time for everything and everything in its time.


because byrd.......did we learn a lesson about leaving hitler alone?

did we learn a lesson in nam when upon our leaving, thousands upon thousands of people were killed in that entire region?

and did we learn a lesson when bush AND CLINTON didnt do enough to kill or capture bin laden prior to 9.11??????

so I guess you can back ron paul and dig your head deep into the sand and just let the world's murderers to build up enough to REALLY take us and/our allies out.............

These barbarians don't deserve to live. We left them alone to the point where they've become dangerous to not only themselves but others. Its time to bring back The Crusades and wipe this plague from the earth.

or you could also learn from mister bacon's good post just prior to mine........

I also believe that maybe.....JUST Maybe the worlds patience with these silly but dangerous bastards will run out and they will run the course of the KKK and become silly pricks who just meet every now and then to schedule this months social and become irelavant....
but they wont as long as libs have something to say about...........we cant be anything but 'sensitive' to these bastards.....but a christian.....well theleft can call them whatever they want and accuse them of anything and the left gets away with that.......but this.......well.....we just cant embarass anyone like this..........its not american.

FACE OF THE ENEMY that the left is ready to surrender to.

Posted by bushlovertwo at 2007-12-01 11:40 AM |


The left isn't surrendering to them they're just feeding them any people other than themselves in hopes Mohammad will get full and lose his appetite.

Hoping the lion eats you last doesn't keep you alive. One day libs will understand, or not. Either way who gives a shit?

did we learn a lesson about leaving hitler alone?

I must have missed the part where they are planning a military invasion of the US. Wasn't it the other way around?



It shows how dangerous it is when the relgious whack-jobs run things.


Let's keep a close eye on those red states and pray to JEE zuss that the religious right is kept in its place here at home.

Thousands in Sudan Call for Teacher's Death

"Christians do that all the time. In fact, theyve killed numerous teachers for refusing to teach Intelligent Design. It just doesn't get reported because of a government conspiracy to protect Christians and the media has been threatened into silence" -- The Left

I must have missed the part where they are planning a military invasion of the US. Wasn't it the other way around?

Posted by Ray at 2007-12-01 12:09 PM |


What do you call flying airplanes into our buildings and killing our citizens. Holiday?

And it was as militant, military as it gets. You are a dumb fuck.

Bowa, there are some Rudy Giuliani fires getting ignited on the DR today. You might want to check out Cadenhead Command Center.

what we missed was hitler telling chamberlain about 'peace in our time' and then taking over country after country and the killing of millions upon millions of innocent people....
of course a party which sanctions and deifies the murder of innocent souls through abortion might not really give a shit about hitler and what he did.
and I wasnt there but I could imagine liberals in this country calling for the same kind of bullshit 'sensitivity' with hitler as the left is calling for now with these murderous bastards.

and why not....liberals have been WRONG about everything else.....from hitler to nukes and NOW TO STEM CELL RESEARCH.......so why not wrong here as well

I must have missed the part where they are planning a military invasion of the US. Wasn't it the other way around?

Posted by Ray

9/11/01 wasn't a military invasion. What would you call it ray, a jesture of peace?

It's about time to turn most of the middle east into one great big pile of rubble.

You libs just won't admit they want to kill all of us. A death sentence for letting her class name a damn stuffed toy? When will you wake up?

Christians do that all the time. In fact, theyve killed numerous teachers for refusing to teach Intelligent Design. It just doesn't get reported because of a government conspiracy to protect Christians and the media has been threatened into silence" -- The Left

Posted by Bowa at 2007-12-01 12:10 PM


AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH damn good one...

so you think that doc even knows that you just zapped so well????

I bet he does even if he doesnt want to admit it.

lets watch.........

That was that a military invasion? Now who is calling who a dumb fuck?
Would Porky care to compare that to the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and Afghanis killed by the US invasions?

WTF are you blathering on about now, Eeyore?

Well the Right Wing Hack machine is up at it early today. Lets get this straight you clowns want to drop BOMBS on protesters????? Isn't this what our boys are fighting for DEMOCRACY, the right to free speech no mater how foul.

You dumb Fucks make me Sick!! You talk about personal freedom, about what makes this Country great and when someone disagrees with your answer is, let's go get these sand devils, Kill them, kill them, kill them!!!!!

Someday one can only hope you ignorant BASTARDS will realize that whats wrong with America is fools like yourselves. If we are to bring Democracy to this part of the World as your President has stated was his plan, we cannot do it by blanket bombing the damn place.

"JESUS", must find it hard to forgive people who think that the only way to make your point is to BOMB the hell out of the other side. Religion from the Right, Compassionate Conservatives you are in the way of a decent America, "JESUS", in the Bible I know would hold you clowns in contempt as any fair thinking American does....

What would you call it ray, a jesture of peace?

Its called blowback for US atrocities against Muslims. You idiots think US interest in intervening in ME affairs began on 9/11/01.

Republicans are evil and corrupt this blog proves it everyday here.

Why SHOULD we be "sensitive" to murderous fanatics?? You wouldn't let a mad dog run around in your streets where it threatens your friends and family. You would have it removed.

CEL-
While I wasn't one itching to drop a bomb on them (at least on this thread)... there is a vast difference between, as you say, "when someone disagrees" and when the manifestation of such "disagreement" calls for your extermination. Wouldn't you agree?

The right's incessant accusations that the left condones such acts is laughable and only serves to highlight the simplistic world view that they espouse. Atrocities in the name of religion have been the lietmotiv of extremists throughout history, especially when religion is placed in a symbiotic relationship with the government or ruling power, as is the case in some of these less developed countries. When placed in a more modern social context, any relion, including islam, takes its appropriate role of spiritual guidance.

I find the type of behavior manifested by these protesters unacceptable, but the right's reaction to want to bomb everything at the drop of a dime is just as ridiculous, if not more, as these righties consider themselves civilized and modern. Your god is probably rolling his eyes and shakin his head in disgust when you spew such nonsense.

RAY:
Give it up. 9/11 was an invasion.
Regarding this bear issue, it just goes to show that the Islamic faith, as practiced in parts of the world where Muslims make up the majority of the population, is a pretty violent and intolerant way of life. I wonder just how peaceful it will be here once the numbers start to increase.

Why SHOULD we be "sensitive" to murderous fanatics?? You wouldn't let a mad dog run around in your streets where it threatens your friends and family. You would have it removed.

Posted by niteraven


That's exactly how the Asian and ME powers see the US. And it's well deserved.

Well the Right Wing Hack machine is up at it early today

well the leftwing apologists, blame america first for everything machine is also out this morning......

so now we are reading that its americans who are killing all those people in iraq and aghanistan......
I almost have a problem believing that I am reading that shit, but then this is not my first time taking a lap around the ole retort.....I have read this kind of liberal kook bullshit before......

and CARE is right in on all of this......
in the past when they had sued people here for talking bad about them.....the suits have been dropped AS SOON AS THE LAWYER ASKS A JUDGE TO MAKE THEM DISCLOSE THIER CONTRIBUTORS AND where all their money goes to..
so they dont want anyone to know where they get thier money from or where they send it.......
and libs here.....you want to tell me that doesnt bother you.......

just ask michael savage what posting things about islam on a website can get you?

and go ahead with your little cussing and name calling of savage.....he is one of those talk show hosts who the left and ISLAM would give thier left nuts to take away their right to speak FREELY about any subject, much less this one......


Why SHOULD we be "sensitive" to murderous fanatics?? You wouldn't let a mad dog run around in your streets where it threatens your friends and family. You would have it removed.

Posted by niteraven at 2007-12-01 12:


but you see in a liberal world, its the one who gets RID OF THE MADDOG who is at fault.....

as a matter of fact I mentioned this just the other day here in houston....a man killed two pitbulls who were attacking him and his grandchildren.......and HE spent 5 days in jail and is getting sued..........

liberalism has turned the world upside down.

9/11 was an invasion? 19 Muslims high jacking a plane with case cutters? Oh my gosh, they're getting dumber by the day.

"OOHRAH"...You talk of extermination of the American Country and the American Peoples way of life by people of the Islamic Faith. There was maybe a couple of thousands of people in that march to punish that teacher in the Sudan, in a Country of Multi-Millions, yet you fuck want to eliminate the whole Country an there way of like, little over kill don't you think!!!!!!

I for one don't want the World to judge America, on the basis of people like you, an the President that represents you. If the People of the World judges America by the idiotic Conseratives that rule this Country and rule our air waves, they are making a monumental mistake, you and your kind do not represent America well!!!!!

Hey, bushlover2, your so-called "retraction" was not a retraction.

What you were trying to do was to re-write an obvious bullshit, "gotcha" statement.

Your complete quote, with the bullshit comment:

"of course with taxes back up over 50% because of dems in congress....."

Posted by bushlovertwo at 2007-11-15 11:02 AM
...taken in context...

...and taken in context with the thread itself (Buffett: Keep Federal Estate Tax - about the current tax situation and how Buffett is calling for Congress to keep the current estate tax...)

... makes your ORIGINAL intent (the attempted "gotcha" line) obvious, and your attempted backpeddling all that much more ridiculous.

A real retraction would be for you to grow a pair of balls and admit you made up a bullshit "gotcha" comment ("of course with taxes back up over 50% because of dems in congress....."), figuring that no one would catch such a lie.

So, once again, bushlover2, care to admit that your attempted "gotcha" statement ("of course with taxes back up over 50% because of dems in congress.....") was just so much bullshit?

Hans

RAY:
I hope for the sake of our country that you are posting your comments in some god-forsaken third world nation in a room with a dirt floor wondering where your next meal will come from. Perhaps I could understand your hostility and jealousy. But I fear that you are somewhere here in America, in the comforts of your heated living room, totally unappreciative of the sacrafices made by others for you.
9/11 totally sucked ass, it was an invasion and an attack on our freedom. Perhaps if your lost a personal friend in the attack and you saw the actual smoke and rubble, you may feel a bit more sympathy to those who perished.

"liberalism has turned the world upside down."

WTF? You live in Texas, right?

Texas, where they have a Republican governor, a Republican Senate, and a Republican House.


Damn liberal Texas Republicans.

Just because we "libs" don't profess a howling desire to exterminate people of that particular faith does not ipso facto mean we're "surrendering" to them. Their extremism, like yours, has its own built-in obsolescence. Some cultures, like some species of plants and animals, do not possess the ability to adapt and if their culture's predilection to remain in the 14th century stays unameliorated, it just guarantees their inevitable extinction through simple entropy. The modern world is passing them by and there's evidently nothing they can do about it except work themselves into such a lather that they wind up killing themselves over the naming of a fucking stuffed toy or a cartoon that ran in a paper a half a world away. A pathetic way to go out, if you ask me, but as long as they keep their insanity to themselves, it's none of my affair. I'll make some popcorn and you and I can kick back in our comfy recliners and watch the show.

So have another drink, ShrubFellatorDeux. I guess it's never too early in the day for you, is it? Even you will eventually discover that you've become a parody of yourself. Every song you play has the same three chords. 1-4-5. 1-4-5. 1-4-5. I like you, sparky. I know there's much more to you than what you chose to reveal here.

That's exactly how the Asian and ME powers see the US. And it's well deserved.

Posted by Ray


Well I'm sure they'll welcome you home with open arms..take Hillary with you.. and if you're going to post on a board, learn how to SPELL.

There was maybe a couple of thousands = There were maybe a couple of thousand.

an there way of like, = I can only think this means "and their way of life?"

over kill = overkill

an the President that represents you. AND

People of the World judges = People is singular. People JUDGE not Judges.

Represent America by getting yourself a G.E.D.

Thanks, Ray

Posted by NJDevil at 2007-12-01 12:52 PM | Reply |

Spare me the crocodile tears. Bush killed more Americans than those 19 kamikaze.

CEL-
I want to eliminate militant Islam or cripple it sufficiently so it is not a threat to us or others. It's a battle we'll have to face at some point. Better to deal with it sooner vs later. I can only imagine the challenges much of Europe will have over the next couple decades.

So no, I wouldn't want to blow up the whole country. And I wasn't saying we should, either. I merely posed the thoughts in the thread's first post. If Christians reacted with the blood thirst these folks do we'd see plenty of carnage right here in the US.

Do you agree there is a vast difference between when people "don't disagree" and when that disagreement manifests itself in your extermination? You and I may disagree, yet it won't result in our death. Try that with militant Islam and I'll inform your next of kin.

This whole thing goes way beyond our bases in the ME or oil or anything of the sort. It's religion... and was foretold in the Bible. They're not budging... only growing. We can choose to ignore or placate them for a while. Then will come a day of reckoning.

I wonder just how peaceful it will be here once the numbers start to increase. Posted by NJDevil


Don't worry. The plan is to convert them to Capitalism, then Calvinism. The ol' Western Two-Step.

Hans,
You have compeition. (I know)

Well I'm sure they'll welcome you home with open arms..take Hillary with you.. and if you're going to post on a board, learn how to SPELL. Posted by niteraven

I don't live there dickhead. I live here. And I don't vote for Democrats or Republicans.

Danforth is the first liberal I have ever seen put forth a cogent and logical statement without using the word fuck or going off on some obnoxious tangent. Thank you Danforth, for restoring my faith in some of your kind.

"19 Muslims high jacking a plane with case cutters?"

First of all, that is not necessarily the case. There is good reason to believe that on at least one plane, they were carrying a device meant to look like a bomb. This has been widely reported so you are either very ignorant or deliberately misleading. Truth is nobody on the planes survived so we don't know what the hijackers had on them.

Secondly, it isn't out of the question that they could have done it with boxcutters. We've trained ourselves to be passive in these situations and wait for authorities to handled it. A crazed gunman walks into a classroom and most lay on the floor and waits to be shot. You'd have to live in a cave not to know that people generally don't fight back in these situations. And of course the one group of passengers who knew they weren't going to be land and be let go did act.



As for the the situation in Sudan - just evidence that Islam blows.

I don't live there dickhead. I live here. And I don't vote for Democrats or Republicans.

Posted by Ray


I never said you did. I was implying that you should. If you don't vote you have no right to cry... Dickhead.

Posted by Ray at 2007-12-01 12:09 PM

did we learn a lesson about leaving hitler alone?

I must have missed the part where they are planning a military invasion of the US. Wasn't it the other way around?
Er, you certainly did miss some parts, Ray.

Let's see. The doctrine currently being espoused by the Islamics is far more specific than Mein Kampf in its declarations for the religious imperative that it subjugate the non-Islamic world with its "time is now" thesis.

They have launched attacks on U.S. interests. Some of the attacks did not register fully on the radar as the then sitting President had an agenda that caused him to ignore it. Embassies. The Cole. Assassinations of American Ambassadors and the like. Terrorist bombings in Western cities, Madrid, London, and er, New York. Rioting in Paris and elsewhere. Assassinations of anyone publishing any criticism of Islamics as in the Netherlands, airplane hijackings. I tired of enumerating "events," Ray. There are many more. But yes, you seem to have missed quite a bit.

And remember that they are repressing and suppressing thought anywhere by their riotiing and threats of death, the issuance of fathwahs by their clerics without any intervention form their complicit governments.

The declarations by hositle Islamics that they'll achieve numerical superiority (as also predicted in France by 2050) and using the decocratic methods that we in the West idolize, obtain control of Western democracies, or do so by coercion and use of force. Then, they'[ll impose sharia law based on the Quran.

This is law that you would tolerate? I doubt that reciprocity is available, as you can observe how Islamics treat dissent, and how they worship Muhammed as it is sacriligious not only to caricature Allah, but to insult Muhammed by not demonstrating sufficient sensitivty and reverence. You seem to be okay with a culture built on a theology that inflicts 200 lashes on an 18 year old girl, who was raped, for sitting in a car with an ex-boyfriend seeking tof retireve a photograph.

But Ray, I suspect that you're impervious to recognition of and processing of information. Or are you a trogdolyte? You would nevertheless receive information in your cave since you are in contact with the outside world throughf use of a computer.

Anyway, it's a wondrous thing that you needed to solicit such information from other posters. It describes the filter which prevents your recognition of information that would contradict your positions.

Oh by the way, don't forget the energy their governments, their educational system, and their clerics expend in demeaning the West and urging its destruction. Do you know what "hudna" is and its derivation? It's more or less, hate and wait to destroy or subjugate your enemies at the most propitious time for you. They're "in process." Ray even (or particularly) "our friends" the Saudis are spreading Wahhabi doctrine through the maddrassas and "schools" they finance worldwide, including schools in the U.S. describing Christians and Jews as monkeys, and the like, and the fate to which Islamics must direct us. They're patient and they are building the infrastructure. Mosques preach this doctrine.

But that's okay. Ray "loves his enemies" enough to permit them to kill him and his family, friends, neighbors and countrymen. After all Ray, you seem to have internalized all of the pap in our schools denigrating and demonizing America, so we deserve such a fate. And Ray, a good guy, will be exempt.

Sleep on, Ray. Sleep well.

"Its called blowback for US atrocities against Muslims. You idiots think US interest in intervening in ME affairs began on 9/11/01"

You have to appreciate the tenacity of Ray's mantra on all evils - its either America's fault or Israels.

Yes Ray, all the problems with Muslims in India, Sudan, Thailand, Philippines and all throughout SE Asia is really the fault of the US or Israel.

No moron ... it's about the emergence of yet a larger crop of Islamists than we had in the previous century and the advent of the internet where they can now communicate with each other and organize instantly street visibility ie cartoons in Denmark causes street demonstrations throughout the Islamic world, Pope's reading of dead Emperor's words causes instant street demonstrations in the Islamic world ..

See if your lips can move and make the sound "UMMAH" Ray ? Can you do that? The concept of Ummah where there is no single state where Muslims live only the Muslim world and the non Muslim world. But you Ray along with some others here have a special place in the Ummah - your the guy sitting in the corner with a dunce hat on that Islamists call upon to explain away their 7th century behavior. No actually they COUNT ON YOU to condemn those who recognize this bullshit for what it is. It threatens all of us. But like the energizer bunny Ray ... you just keep giving and giving.

Your friends I'm sure will eventually thank you for your help serving their cause before slicing your fucking moronic head off

here's a better one...drop a couple of 1000 lb bombs on these protesters...

POSTED BY LAYLAKERUNNER


Very brave, as usual.

There is nothing that I can add to the wonderful post from JOHNSON to improve it.
Thank you. Now I can go back outside and rake some leaves before the snow comes in.

Hey Johnson

I see you are totally divorced from anything the US has been doing to ME countries since after WWII. Never bothered to investigate why the attacks on the US.

It is clear you suffer from the "white man's burden" syndrome.

You haven't the foggiest idea who I am, so stop pretending you do. See my website usbible.com. You'll be shocked.

Give it up. 9/11 was an invasion.

POSTED BY NJDEVIL


Hopefully the US will never experience a real military invasion. This group of 19 with 4 aircrafts in a suizide mission was surely not one.

Ray!! I owe you an apology. You're not the dickhead that can't spell. Celisary is the dickhead that can't spell... and judging by his posts he's WAY more of a dickhead than you!

GZ

Yes Ray, all the problems with Muslims in India, Sudan, Thailand, Philippines and all throughout SE Asia is really the fault of the US or Israel.

You keep bring up that shibboleth and I keep saying they are local issues.

Jesus Christ, they US has as much military power as the rest of the world combined, and you're worried about Ummah. We don't have all that military power for nothing. Americanism has become a fanatical religion in its own right - spread the word by military force.

judging by his posts he's WAY more of a dickhead than you!

At least I don't call myself johnson.

"People of the World judges = People is singular. People JUDGE not Judges."

Um...not quite.

People is plural. That leads to a singular word, and singular to a plural. For example:

During the conference, attendees judge the competition.

During the conference, an attendee judges the competition.

p.s. If you knew all my positions, I doubt you'd call me a "liberal". But thanks for the kind comments.

I can only imagine the challenges much of Europe will have over the next couple decades.

There is one big challenge: faith based countries.

Posted by dutch46 at 2007-12-01 12:53 PM

Just because we "libs" don't profess a howling desire to exterminate people of that particular faith does not ipso facto mean we're "surrendering" to them.
Maybe you'd be well-served to expand your reading of scientific reports and theorires propounded based upon "observed" data, rather than unfounded speculation by liberal arts majors.

The assembly and arrangement of political support parallels that of basic physical structures. A friend of mine worked as a methematician at JPL (which used to also hire an occasional retired military procurement officers and the like, and provide them with sinecures in retrun for having maintained "a good attitude" in their former positions). This was done at the behest of some companies, which had found it pleasant to work with them in their former capacities. One retired Major was trying to find a relationship between "micro, normal, and macro." He was the butt of ridicule, unexpressed to him, by those real bright folks. Now it appears that his concept was vindicated.

My prolixity required that I interpolate the paragraph supra.

Anyway, the political models indicate that after extended interaction elements congregate at the extremes. So, your accommodation by non-intervention does constitute "surrender," undoubtedly unwitting. (I went to find the citation but couldn't locate it without time-consuming effort, so I abandoned the task.)

The Islamics gain strength while we don't use ours when we are in the ascendancy. When the balance shifts because of many factors including infiltration by moving into Western democracies, and then by their use of our democratic structures that worship the sanctity of numerical preponderance without regard to how it would impact our own lives, and other nonsensical positions, living as we do in lala land, and because of restraints, certainly they shall triumph.

Or are you a "white" Westerner, a man whose implicit arrogance confers on you a sense of innate superiority, so that you cannot accept the prospect that they will ever ever be in a position to subjugate you and yours and impose subordinate - dhimmi - status on you and yours? Why, that's "racist" thinking.

Jesus Christ, they US has as much military power as the rest of the world combined
POSTED BY RAY


I really doubt that. But agreed that you pay more for it than the rest of the world combined.

Danforth.. no you don't seem like a "liberal". You're far too calm and coherent. Oddly enough, contrary to what these people probably believe, I'm not exactly a "conservative" myself. I try to just use common sense if possible. I can't really identify with either of these parties. One uses just the head, one uses just the heart.. and its only a combination that works. I'll be shredded for that, but thats fine.

Its called blowback for US atrocities against Muslims. You idiots think US interest in intervening in ME affairs began on 9/11/01.

Posted by Ray at 2007-12-01 12:28 PM |


Ray still uses the Fuel, even though it comes through(accordeing to Ray) atrocities against muslims by the US.

Screw you, Ray. You Hypocrite.

When you've got something and you don't know what to do with it and someone comes along and shows you how to use it for your benefit and that of others the people helping and teaching you how to use and how to enhance it are entitled to whatever the deal was, you self loathing dumb fuck.

I'll bet you're proud that Hugo Chavez doesn't honor his countries contracts/obligations either. Go screw yourself Ray you parasite.


$225 million a year to feed these crazy bastards. Personally, I'd rather see the all starve. (Allah willing, of course.)

en.wikipedia.org

Does the Sudan have oil?..if not, I say fuck em, who needs them? In all seriousness: these muslims are whacked out. The "Religion of Peace" my ass! I think the world would be a better place without them. And, yes, I am a Lib, and proud of it.

Porky, you don't sound very Christian. Rather than delve into the history of US intervention in the ME, you rather avoid that topic go for the ad hominem.

So I guess Muslims have no right to hate us. We're peace loving nation that minds our own business, and our military are ambassadors of peace and good will.

It's a sight to watch morons who attribute to me things I have contempt for.

So, your accommodation by non-intervention does constitute "surrender," undoubtedly unwitting

Sounds like think tank logic to Spud.

Know wot a think tank is, Johnson?

That's a place paid for by the makers of tanks that tries to tell everybody else wot to think despite the fact that most of their spew runs contrary to common sense and simple morality.

Yer "prolixity" is just arrogant and pompous verbosity attempting to sound clever by over-whelming the average reader by challenging their comprehension levels.

In other words yer a blivet.

A blivet fer folks who don't already know is...

"10 pounds of shit in a five pound sack"

Yer contention boiled down is that the steps being taken in the ME are good and neccessary to prevent the ascendancy of Islamic culture over Western culture.

Spud's contention is that ya catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.

Or to dumb that down fer ya if yer not a fan of colloquialisms that the bombings, torture, murders, refugee crisis, and wholescale economic theft taking place in the ME along with America's long standing one sided support of Israel is making the schism between the Islamic world and the multi-faith west even wider than before.

The so-called solution is actually a large part of the problem, in other words.

"Counter-productive" in a word.

Are you in way shape or form connected to a "think tank", Johnson?

Spud is starting to get a real "astro-turfer" vibe from ya.

Call it a spuddish hunch.

Spud calls you the Dhimmi-witted one.

Be Well.

"My prolixity required that I interpolate the paragraph supra."

Johnson...my knob needs polishing. Steal someone else's act you pretentious poltroon.

"This group of 19 with 4 aircrafts in a suizide mission was surely not one."

It wasn't an invasion. But I don't see any practical difference between wanting to kill us for our land and just wanting to kill us.

And those 19 had the support of many other people and at least one foreign government.

I don't see how this specifically relates to this situation in Sudan. But I do see why we need to be wary of Islamic theocracies.

"Spud's contention is that ya catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar."

If that were true about the Middle East then Middle Eastern leaders would be less brutal towards their own.

Johnson thinks the measure of his misdirected screeds is a measure of his johnson.

Ray has a point, in that we acceded and assisted a British plan to overthrow the democratic government of Iran on behalf of what is now British Petroleum. The Peacock throne was reinstalled and the Shah imposed a brutal reign that committed atrocities only slightly less horrific than Saddam did in Iraq.

The result was the Islamic Revolution and Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini becoming the de facto ruler. During the Iran-Iraq War he championed the death cult of the Basij which led to the first suicide bombings (in Lebanon if memory serves).

While the Muslim Brotherhood was active and growing around the time of WWI, it remained a fringe group that was easily suppressed as Assad did in Syria when the military bombed and shelled Hama into ruins.

That's really the only sane response to these zealots, yet we have to acknowledge that our government (under Eisenhower) endorsed a pseudo-colonial strategy authored by the British that eventually fostered an extremist philosophy and a perversion of Islam itself.

This is what Ron Paul is saying when he speaks of "blow back" in our foreign policy. Until a country poses a direct threat to the USA it may well be best to leave sleeping dogs lay, and ignore the politicians that lie.

And those 19 had the support of many other people and at least one foreign government.

Even the Israelis cheered that one. They knew it would bring the US into fighting their battles for them. But I digress. No Arab supported the attack in the sense of being involved in it.

But I don't see any practical difference between wanting to kill us for our land and just wanting to kill us.

As long as we are on their land killing them, who can blame them?

"...you pretentious poltroon." - DUTCH

Holy hyperbole, Batman!

Alliteration the likes of which not seen since the days of Batman, Robin and the Joker!!

This is what happens when a religion has too much power and too much influence from the extremist section of the religion. Thank God, no pun intended, that so far we have kept the religious nuts in this country somewhat in check. Power corrupts religions also.
If the so called Christians in this country ever gained the power over our government equal to the power Islam has in the Muslim world, we would be just like them.
Also, because of liberalism and that we are a liberal democracy, we have not become a theocracy.
Next time you see a liberal thank him or her.
If the rightwing nuts on this board had their way Bush would be head of the church and president.

Posted by Ray at 2007-12-01 01:26 PM

Hey Johnson

I see you are totally divorced from anything the US has been doing to ME countries since after WWII. Never bothered to investigate why the attacks on the US.
Ray, as other posters have so loquaciously expressed on this thread, Islamic misbehavior is not exclusively directed at the United States. There is such theocratically impelled behavior throughout the world, and both within and without the umma.

The Islamic countries have been repressing and suppressing thought for centuries. Take Saudi Arabia as an example. And they have been propagating Islamic doctrine as not permitting of peaceful coexistence, but as requiring as a matter of religious imperative that the Islamics subordinate non-Islamics.

There was a partial enumeration of the areas of conflict with Islamics. They actually range from China (Sinkiang), where the Chinese in their own subtle war are introducing Han in such numbers that they shall eventually displace the Islamics. And the Chinese are not hindered by reservations requiring them to reinterpret Western thought as requiring a suicide pact by the West to accommodate Islamics. How about the conflicts in Thailand, Myanmar, the Philippines, Sudan, Nigeria, and other African countries, Lebanon, etc., the burgeoning Islamic populations in Europe with accompanying "civil unrest" (riots), and the stealth penetration of South America. Also don't forget the schisms between the Sunni and the Shia, which are being sometimes temporarily being "patched up" in the effort to unify efforts against the non-Islamic world.
It is clear you suffer from the "white man's burden" syndrome.
Wrong. And completely unfounded. Where do you find such a suggestion? I experience no guilt and I bear no burden. I want to advance the best interests of the United States particularly, and the West and other civilized countries generally without concern for the well-being of those hostile to us. And frankly, I don't give a damn why they are hostile to us. I don't care regarding asserted justification or anything else. If they want to harm me or impinge upon my living situation, then they must ber removed.
You haven't the foggiest idea who I am, so stop pretending you do. See my website usbible.com. You'll be shocked.
Ray, unless you are being duplicitous and trying to present positions contrary to those that you actually hold, then I have an acquaintanceship with your views, which define you.

I would venture that you are pleased with the image you present.

No, I don't know your physical description, if you are young or old, crippled or hale and hearty, married or single, a parent or not, gregarious or a loner, rich or poor, working or otherwise supported. But you have disclosed a sufficient amount of information concerning yourself that for my purposes, I know you. I think that your view of the world is not congruent with reality, and it seems that you convolute observable data to support your construct, possibly because of a "prism vision" that you've developed. I don't yet have sufficient information to essay an opinion on whether the distortions, departures from reality that your model of the world provides for you, is due more to perception or processing.

Why Ray, what concerning your persona and psyche would correct my impression of you as a virtual figure in cyberspace?

ozarkaggie Do not use history and facts. It confuses the Christians warriors, excuse me, I mean cowards.

Oohster...I was channeling Dr. Smith.

"No Arab supported the attack in the sense of being involved in it."

The guys on the planes were Arabs. Bin Laden and at least half his top people are Arab. People who give them money and do their banking knowing full well who they are and what they do are Arabs. Not sure what you meant by this. And whether or not people fall into the demographic group "Arab" is just a deflection. What the fuck do I care if the guy who murders me is Arab or Pashtun or fucking Swedish? Al Queda, its supporters and any government that aids it are our enemies.

"As long as we are on their land killing them, who can blame them?"

Were we on their land killing them before 9/11? I know were enforcing no-fly zones in Iraq but that probably saved more lives than it took.

"www.cafepress.com"

I knew someone was going to make a buck off this.....

Johnson
Not congruent with reality? That's a laugh. Go to my website usbible.com. Read about who I am before you keep making a fool of yourself.

You have a capacity for writing boring screeds that say nothing.

Just went to the restroom after lunch. Had to take a "MUHAMMAD".

I was channeling...

Just another demented denizen of LaLaLand. You couldn't connect with a druid warrior?

If there is such an outcry to kill someone for allowing 7 year olds to name a teddy bear Mohammed--then why aren't they killing the kids they name Mohammed?

Oh wait--they do--they strap bombs around them and send them to kill others including themselves.

Hypocrites..

And I don't think for a minute that Libs or the Dems approve of this kind of exhibition.

The problem comes when folks on the left are silent--don't speak up to dissapprove it--or as many on this thread--deflect and or blame the US, the Israelis, the Christians--etc.--for this really awful Cult in the muslim religion.

So you can name your kid in the likeness of Mohammed but not a teddy bear? Really weird.

She should have shown respect and told the kidlets to give the bear a nickname--like MO.

Murphy

Al Queda, its supporters and any government that aids it are our enemies.
Then stop all aid to Saudi Arabia and bomb them. Oh wait the Bush family and they are butt buddies. So, never mind.

I know--

I am going to buy me a pot belly pig--and name HIM Mohammed.

I will care for it and then when it turns into a hog--we will kill it and have a side of Mohammed for breakfast with the eggs.


Murphy

Were we on their land killing them before 9/11?

From Bin Laden's perspective? Yes.
Wise to know the mind of your enemy.

Navy--to be fair --every administration is a butt buddy to the Saudis..


Murphy

Oh wait--they do--they strap bombs around them and send them to kill others including themselves.

Yes Murph, American pilots are smarter. They drop their bombs and strafe the ground and live to do it again the next day.

Yes I agree their culture is repulsive. It's even more repulsive to conceive that this country is going to change it by military force.

"From Bin Laden's perspective? Yes.
Wise to know the mind of your enemy."

So we're supposed to adjust our behavior to accomodate his perspective? He's a spoiled rich boy bigot who's views are no more justified than the average KKK member's. It may be to our advantage to know how he thinks but his perspective doesn't justify his actions.

Oz...it seems Druids take Saturdays off. It's just that when Johnson posts, I can't help but hear Dr. Smith out on some cheezy alien landscape boring the shit out of Will and the robot.

"As long as we are on their land killing them, who can blame them?"

Their land according to them is anywhere they have once ruled including parts of Spain, Austria and will include soon enough parts of Dearborn Michigan and you will soon understand that notion of dar al-Islam or ummah which I guess you insist is unimportant for you to bother with. It explains what so many of you just refuse to see is central to the Islamist belief.

The sacred text of Islam, the Qur'an , uses term, ummah, to refer to the community of believers. The term is used to describe both individual communities, both great and small, of faithful Muslims and to refer to the world-wide community of believers--in the latter sense of the term it is synonymous with dar al-Islam, or "The House of Islam," which refers to the world Islamic community.

The antithesis to the dar al-Islam is the dar al-harb , the "House of Warfare," or the non-Islamic world. This is the world of non-believers and must be struggled against by the faithful until either it is islamicized or ... well you finish this depending on how radical you are. These days it seems the end of that sentence would be Islamicized or exterminated.

ONCE you understand this concept you will no longer have to make posts such as this

"And those 19 had the support of many other people and at least one foreign government.

I don't see how this specifically relates to this situation in Sudan. But I do see why we need to be wary of Islamic theocracies."

It all relates ... its all part of dar al-Islam


AND FYI RAY ... America is NOT fighting Israel's war nor has she ever fought for Israel and not a single US GI ever fought in, on or for Israel. If anything Israel has fought on the front that all of us are now fighting on whether you accept that premise or not - for 60 years.

You don't think that Syrian nuke plant that Israel took out last month was just meant for Israel do you?

RAY, I did visit your site and found it quite interesting.

What perplexes me is that using other terms you indicate that you are aware of such matters as "ontological declarations" in theory, and you identify reification, but yet you seem to avoid applications of "logical thinking" in your analyses as they appear on these threads. Instead you revert to illogic. That's quite an interesting phenomenon. Possibly a referesher course of the content of your website http://www.usbible.com would be beneficial for you too.

Interesting site, Ray.


"America is NOT fighting Israel's war nor has she ever fought for Israel and not a single US GI ever fought in, on or for Israel."

Agreed.

"If anything Israel has fought on the front that all of us are now fighting on whether you accept that premise or not - for 60 years."

Total nonsense. Everything Israel has done for the last 60 years has been to serve Israel's interests - nothing wrong with that. But Israel has attacked us one more time than it has ever fought alongside or for us. Far from being a vital ally, it is the most useless we've ever had.

You don't think that Syrian nuke plant that Israel took out last month was just meant for Israel do you?

Zero radiation was detected at that site. So what evidence exists to substantiate that claim? None that I've seen outside the rumors emanating from Zion.

Thousands of Sudanese, many armed with clubs and swords and beating drums, burned pictures of a British teacher yesterday and demanded her execution for insulting Islam by letting her students name a teddy bear Muhammad.

Posted by rcade at 11:19 AM | 94 COMMENTS

Sounds just like the DR's hate filled DanniDrivel(tm). You know the "HOPE you die and very painfully" mentality.

Johnson

My logic is reality based. That's why you don't accept it. Go to "author" on the menu.

If you spent more time there you would learn that the Christianity you have faith in was founded on solar worship.

FF for Sully and the teddy bear gear! I like the Don't Taz me Bro stuff..;o)

Ray mixes atheism and astrology to explain the Bible. He's been working on it for probably 10 years or more--right Ray?

And Ray--they go out and kill their neighbors--they used our planes on 9/11--but Arafat--may he rot in hell--invented the suicide bomber. So yeah--we are destined to win as we don't send our soldiers or citizens or children to kill themselves with bombs strapped ourselves. God Bless our troops and some do give the ultimate sacrifice.

But the muslims with this "war tactic" are doomed to failure. It is a losing tactic. You agree?

Instead of talking and trying to mediate matters--they kill and destroy.

And the US does not fight on behalf of Israel--although there is much talk that if "Little Satan" is destroyed, then we are next.

That is why the latest Peace Summit is so interesting. The arab world was included except for Iran. They were excluded. Then Iminthemoodforjihad proclaims the summit won't work. Such a spoiled hateful brat he is..

When the evil in Hamas is extricated and tehy recognize that Israel is a country and has the right to exist--then they will be invited to the party too.

Murphy

AND FYI RAY ... America is NOT fighting Israel's war nor has she ever fought for Israel and not a single US GI ever fought in, on or for Israel. If anything Israel has fought on the front that all of us are now fighting on whether you accept that premise or not - for 60 years.

I'd like to see how long Israel lasts without American money and subsidized arms. To be fair, we should cut off money to our Arab "allies" too.

"I like the Don't Taz me Bro stuff."

I saw one site that made a "Don't Taze Me Bro" shirt for dogs. I'm not a big fan of dressing up dogs but that cracked me up for some reason.

but Arafat--may he rot in hell--invented the suicide bomber

Note a previous post of mine. Arafat deployed them, but he wasn't a very original guy. What I never understood was why the Israelis didn't hang him.

And the stuff is Made in the USA !

My Dad is a huge dog lover--but Kaila is too big to wear something like that--maybe for my Dad!!

I am still chuckling...

Murphy

Ray mixes atheism and astrology to explain the Bible. He's been working on it for probably 10 years or more--right Ray?

Yes Murph. Because your Jesus personifies the sun passing through the Zodiac during the time when the sun passed from Aries to Pisces. It just goes to show the capacity people have for believing anything, no matter how silly it is.

Arafat--may he rot in hell--invented the suicide bomber.

Yes he did, after three wars to get Palestine back proved fruitless. The Israelis thought it would be a cakewalk and here we are 60 years later. You know the rest of the story. But the final chapter has yet to be written.

Arafat--may he rot in hell--invented the suicide bomber.

The suicide bombings gave the Israelis a pretense to kill perhaps 20 of them to one Israeli. It was one way of discouraging Palestinians from living on the land outlined in the Bible.

You're right--I think I read where Arafat saw someone execute a suicide bombing and then he made it his number one arsenal.

There is a book out called "Prisoners" by Jeffrey Goldberg. He was on c-span Book TV this morning.

Interesting perspective--here is an American/Israeli, who is a zionist, who was a guard in the Israeli prison guarding Hamas and Fatah and intifatah prisoners.

He has a website by his name..

He took the position of treating folks with respect--and found that the Hamas guys actually became more "moderate" after being in the Israeli prison for years.

He developed relationships with these guys and actually found them about eight years after they were released. Some were dead of course.

And when he was at the prison--he asked one of them if he was on the street would he kill him..

After a while the guy said it wouldn't be personal.

But the Fatah guys that were in the prison are some of the Fatah leaders of today--at that summit.

There is some hope--but it is a long road.

Murphy

God Bless our troops and some do give the ultimate sacrifice.

Unfortunately, their "sacrifice" is being used to wreck what is left of the Constitution and turn this country into some form of a fascist dictatorship.

War has traditionally been the most efficient means for a government to expand its powers. This country has a tradition of expansionism.

You should read Machiavelli, Murph.

Ray--it is YOUR belief that Jesus personifies the sun passing through the zodiac--

Not mine--

Jesus is the Son of God.

And YOUR beliefs are not in the Bible which is the revelation of the Word of God. There is nary a mention of the zodiac. Quite the contrary. It speaks of folks that are false prophets and ..well, you know.

We will never agree on this issue--but we have other topics that we can find middle ground--like economics and the print Money button at the Fed Reserve and talking about subprime loans, etc.

Murphy

Ray,

Do you feel other "formal" religions are as corrupt or nearly as corrupt as Christianity? Have you done much research in that area. Are they all mostly competing for the control over their followers and for the assets of those followers (in both mind and money)?

We are not a fascist dictatorship Ray--that is a great exaggeration propagated by folks on the left.

And those who peddle books claiming in a year the US will be Nazi Germany--Naomi ?? someone--same cult BS..

Murphy

I went to RAY's web site. He is one pasty-looking dude. Regarding the contents of his site ( I only spent about 5 minutes poking through it ) it seems that everyone in the world is misguided! How's that view from up on your pedestal, RAY?

Murph

Ray--it is YOUR belief that Jesus personifies the sun passing through the zodiac--

Not mine--


The difference is, I've amassed plenty of evidence to support my case with lots of pictures. You have to see it to believe it.

There is nary a mention of the zodiac.

That is true, but there are hints. Neither did Germany and Japan give us the key to breaking their code either.

Christianity is NOT corrupt--yes there are some bad folks who give it the wrong impression. They do corrupt acts or do things in what they perceive as God's name--but those folks are not representative of Christians.


Christians and the churches do amazing things for their community, their towns and the world for that matter.

Ray only picks on Christianity and not the others because he hates Jesus and the power and goodness of Jesus. Jesus is within a religion of Christianity--therefore, he hates and deplores and degrades the Bible.

There is likely something from Ray's childhood that would explain this trek he has pursued.

Blaming God for a close parent's death or sibling death--could cause his trek...I don't know...


Murphy

We are not a fascist dictatorship Ray--that is a great exaggeration propagated by folks on the left.

No not the German kind. You just can't see the subtle similarities.

The left is just as culpable.

That is true, but there are hints. Neither did Germany and Japan give us the key to breaking their code either.

Posted by Ray at 2007-12-01 03:40 PM


That is really funny Ray!!!!!! LOL

Yes ray--keep on trekking--and I use that word on purpose.

Try using every fourth word and make a sentence--pick a chapter--start with John--

Ha ha ha--my goodness!


Murphy

Ray,

Do you feel other "formal" religions are as corrupt or nearly as corrupt as Christianity? Have you done much research in that area. Are they all mostly competing for the control over their followers and for the assets of those followers (in both mind and money)?

Regarding the contents of his site ( I only spent about 5 minutes poking through it ) it seems that everyone in the world is misguided! How's that view from up on your pedestal, RAY?

You do exaggerate NJDevil. You have to spend more than five minutes to know where I'm coming from.

There may be guilt on both side of taking this country down roads that are harmful--I will agree that the hard left and right can do great harm--But fascist? Such a concept..??
The thing about America is that we are like a bird--we have the left wing and right wing of the country and most of us are in the middle of the bird. We can't fly without both wings. Thanks goodness for the middle for the bird.

Murphy

Ride

If there is one thing I preach, it is not to trust authority. Commercial, religious and political authority are the most corrupt because they have the most resources.

Religion by any denomination, is another form of politics with an elite minority set upon controlling others.

Actually Ray--you are going to have use every fourth Letter to spell the word Zodiac--

Start with John though--find those hidden messages..


Murphy

Yes ray--keep on trekking--and I use that word on purpose.

Keep convincing yourself Murph. The US is in the early stages of another Great Depression combined with a widespread war in the ME. It's only a few more steps to a fascist police state.

Politicians love dupes like you.

Murphy

You are far from the middle of the bird.

Religion by any denomination, is another form of politics with an elite minority set upon controlling others.

Posted by Ray at 2007-12-01 03:51 PM

I concur. In fact I concur with your entire post.

Actually Ray--you are going to have use every fourth Letter to spell the word Zodiac--

Start with John though--find those hidden messages..


It doesn't work that way Murph. You're too lazy in your habits of thought to see how it works. You rather be cute.

I'll tell you what Murph. I'll make it easy for you. All you have to do is click and look once. Pillar of Cloud

If you think about it, Islam is about 700 years behind Christianity. Take a trip back to the 1300s and you'll find a similar level of intolerance in Christianity.

What many Christians fail to recognize is that Jesus practiced Judaism in which actions speak louder than words. Hence the parable of the Good Samaritan. He also taught that God's Law trumped Rabbinical Law and enunciated that when he said, He who is without sin cast the first stone; thus upholding the Commandment Thou shall not commit murder ( a distinction that was lost in translation), as well as the edict, Vengeance is Mine saith the Lord.

And so I object to those who believe they are saved by faith alone and commit unconscionable acts justified by their self-righteousness. More the norm than most will admit.

Yet, it has been held to be moral, by none other than the Dalai Lama, that it is a tenet of preserving life than you take action against those who would destroy it. So there's nothing immoral about killing the jihadis, or locking them up.

Where we err is when we make enemies of those who would live peacefully and practice submission as Islam dictates.

Hi.
Have you met my little shit-eating pig named "Jesus"?
Shake hands.
Peace.

Ray--I am being facitious with the trek to find the hidden message in the Bible--

It is quite simple and reading it gives comfort and wisdom and morality and hope and faith to millions and millions and millions of people.

Doc--at least your post is looked upon with disdain or laughter because of your naivete.

But if you do this in muslimland--you will be executed--beheaded.

Murphy

Murph

There was a survey in the NY Post recently. I think it was something like half of Christians don't know know of more than one gospel. Very few read the Bible. And less have any idea what is in it because they are led away from the embarrassing stuff.

I don't know how you get comfort from a so-called savior threatening fire and brimstone for non-believers. Jesus wasn't even a third rate mind. I wonder how much you know the gospels yourself.

These radical Muslims are a VIRUS and need eradicated like any other virus! Political correctness needs to take a hike and we have to quit pandering to these people! I wish someone would have dropped a big bomb on that protest where they were demaning the execution of this lady. This religion is supposed to be peaceful but why is it that so many of it's followers want to kill you for things that are as petty as jaywalking!

The bible and the koran are both a pack of lies. xtians are as dumb as the muslims.

Myths, actually, and propaganda to keep the people in line.

xtians are as dumb as the muslims.

Ain't that the the sorry truth. By calling God supernatural, the dogma is practically shouting that its divorced from reality. What kind of people, against all medical science, believe that there is some kind of afterlife?

What is even more frightening is that these people vote. That's why government is so inept and corrupt.

"Far from being a vital ally, it is the most useless we've ever had. "

The most useless we've ever had? Really ? Aside from the endless list of advances in science and medicine and military and computer science ie software ... and translation services since hardly anyone in the US speaks Arabic and shall I go on or would you like to rethink that idiotic and obviously pulled from your ass example of your ignorance. I've been down this road with many posters here and in the end they look like complete idiots.

Have you any clue ... excuse me, I already know you haven't any clue how much research by US companies goes on in Israel. From Motorola to Intel ... enormous Israeli R&R

Start here

America Online turns to Israeli technology to take it into the future - 11/13/07
World's first ski tunnel has Israeli company sliding easy - 11/09/07
Going with the flow at Israel's WATEC - 11/04/07
Israeli technology guards your mobile phone identity - 11/04/07
Israeli technology honored by Deloitte - 10/30/07
Israeli research giving HIV patients a fighting chance - 10/25/07
Israeli biotech shines a 'light' on investment opportunities - 10/24/07
State of Virginia woos Israeli life science companies - 10/18/07
Israeli firewall tester keeps its guard up for you - 10/07/07
An Israeli solution for Net video speed - 10/05/07
US investment company focuses in on Israeli startups - 10/02/07
Algorithms from Israel make beautiful music - 09/30/07
21c update - Turning olive pits into energy - 09/25/07
Israeli astrophysicists help find oldest-known planet outside solar system - 09/18/07
Israeli start-up promises a 'terabyte' of storage on a single disc - 09/16/07
Israel's Scribbler turns the fridge door into high tech communicator - 09/09/07
Israeli photovoltaic cells to produce inexpensive electricity - 09/05/07

and you can find any of the background on these stories at this link

www.israel21c.org

But do it on another thread since this is hardly the place for it.

GZ more reason to end Israel. If the jews are so smart they should be spread around the world. You know spread the wealth.

"See Gaza And Weep

"In the run-up to Annapolis Stuart Littlewood went to Gaza on an unusual mission. He joined a party of priests bringing moral support to the Christian community and to its Muslim citizens, all suffering horribly under Israel's collective punishment and cruel siege.

"The military fires on boats that defy the ban. Palestinians are also prevented from developing maritime trade or natural resources within their territorial waters. Gaza is just 365 sq km - 45 km long, up to12 km wide and entirely sealed from the outside world by an Israeli fence guarded by watchtowers, snipers and tanks. Israel controls Gaza's airspace, coastal waters and airwaves. A vast prison with air-strikes, beach shelling, troops, tanks, armoured bulldozers, uncaring of civilian casualties."

A communiqu received from the Ministry of Health in Gaza reveals the stark reality:

Cancer patients: Of 450 patients 35% are children and 25% women. They are forbidden to leave Gaza for medical treatment or surgery. For many, there is no medication because cancer drugs cannot cross the border.

Renal Failure patients:400 should undergo dialysis three times a week, but machine break-downs have cut this to twice a week, with serious consequences for patients.

Hemodialysis machines: Of 69 machines in 4 hospitals 20 are out of order. Israel blocks supply of spares deeming them not humanitarian items. 3 more have exceeded their design.

Cardiac patients:400-450 patients suffer from severe shortage of drugs.

No spares can be shipped in for therapeutic and diagnostic equipment that breaks down.
Lots more ...

"The suicide bombings gave the Israelis a pretense to kill perhaps 20 of them to one Israeli. It was one way of discouraging Palestinians from living on the land outlined in the Bible."

Ray insists on inventing his own version of reality and history.

You must be referring to the Palestinian Arabs who are responsible for killing MORE of each other then the Israelis have done all these years because that would be the actual reality Ray and not your idiotic version pulled from your ass to satisfy that poisonous urge you have to vilify Israelis.

Listen again ... Arabs living in the Pali territories have killed more of each other then the Israelis have.
And why would that even surprise you? Haven't you noticed how they fought in Iraq? "They" are the same people as the Palestinian Arabs. Palestinians, Iraqis, Syrians, Egyptians are all ARABS and ALL from Arabia and they are all the SAME. The concept of nation states with drawn boundaries is something you can thank the west for and certainly NOT the Arabs. How many Muslim weddings, Muslim funerals and Mosques were blown up by Muslims? Thousands of Iraqis were killed by other Iraqis.

This is also where you endlessly duck the simple reality that whereas the Muslims will happily kill hundreds of their own to score PR points - and have done so over and over again ie car bombs in open markets, mosques, the West takes pains to avoid this civilian carnage ergo Islamists will use this tactic deliberately to beat us. Having all this fire power and large military as you always describe means little when our adversaries fight as they do. When they shoot from hospitals or hide missiles and rockets in residential homes where families live what are we to do Ray, hit the Mosque and suffer the consequences thanks to the useful idiots like yourself? You'd be the first to condemn us. If we bomb those homes, you will be screeching bloody hell about it. So cut the BS about how our great military can protect us from suicide bombers and car bombs - they can't.

Yeah yeah yeah they're bad. I know I know. It was you stupid Zionists who made yourselves their neighbors. Tough shit.

Its very sad Ray but your placing the blame in the wrong place ... point your finger at Hamas where it belongs and not Israel but of course why would you when we all know what you're about don't we ?


Here's the real Ray - the anti semitic homophobe
"GZ is a blood sucking parasite. Did I hurt his feelings by calling him a dirty name? Tsk. Tsk. Tsk.
POSTED BY RAY AT 2006-10-18 09:08 PM | REPLY


"I call you Jewboy and Zionazi because you lost all credibility. I aim to show readers why.
POSTED BY RAY AT 2006-10-17 10:03 PM | REPLY."


"ANOTHER PAID ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE GAY ZIONIST FOR THE ELIMINATION OF ISLAM. FUNDED BY AMERICAN TAXPAYER AID TO ISRAEL.
POSTED BY RAY AT 2006-10-17 09:25 PM | REPLY"


What else would a piece of shit like Ray say about a country full of people he has so much hatred for ?

gz loses another debate

" It was you stupid Zionists who made yourselves their neighbors. Tough shit."

NO RAY ... It was the entire world community excluding the usual intolerant Arab countries that partitioned the land into TWO countries. The Arabs rejected what would have been their 23rd country but the Jews didn't.


When you understand that appeasing this crew will get you no where's but dead, then you'll finally understand it.

And the "tough shit" goes right back at you and your buds ...TOUGH SHIT. If they don't like it they can go back to Arabia where they came from.

What does the fact that you are a blood sucking parasite have to do with anti-semitism? After all, you do put Israel before America.

You are a Jew aren't you? What if I called Corky Christian boy? Would that be anti-Christian? And who could not notice your fascist disregard for the oppression of Palestinians?

I do wonder how many times you've been fucked in the ass? I mean being around all those famous musicians and all.

You certainly are a disgusting vile creature. Is that anti-semitic too?

It's good that you bring these things up once in a while.

NO RAY .It was the entire world community excluding the usual intolerant Arab countries that partitioned the land into TWO countries. The Arabs rejected what would have been their 23rd country but the Jews didn't.

What? That action defines Zionism. Obviously, the Arab community protested every step of the way. You wanted it. Now its your tar baby. Double tough shit. I love to watch you complain about the neighbors you and your ilk worked so hard to be next to.

What if I called Corky Christian boy?

Actually Corky has pretty much indicated that he's Hillary's Boy. (remember that song...I want to Bobby's Girl?)

When people ask of me,
What would you like to be
Now that your not a kid anymore.

I know just what to say,
I answer right away,
Theres just one thing I've been wishing for...

I want to be Hillary's Boy
I want to be Hillary's Boy,
That's the most important thing to me...

LOL

Ray--I am not the one with problems and hatred and contempt for others--that would be you..

You are vile for the most part--and I sincerely have prayed for you.

Start with John...

Murphy

"And YOUR beliefs are not in the Bible which is the revelation of the Word of God. "

Bullshit. You can't get past the first book without encountering things God should know. Instead, we're told bats are birds (they're not), hares chew their cud (they don't), and the moon is a light (it isn't).

Strike one, strike two, strike three...and all before the reader gets to Exodus.

You're full of it Murph. I gave you an easy click and look and you won't do it. Besides, I already know the Bible from cover to cover.

Thousands in Sudan Call for Teacher's Death

over a teddy bear.

Sort of completely blows out of the water the idea that "extremists" make up only a small percentage of the total population of Muslims in the world.

Where are the hundreds of thousands of "moderate" muslims thats should be out in the streets all over the world protesting the treatment of this poor woman who did nothing but name a Teddy Bear after one of her students at that student's request.

Remember the Hungarian nurses in Libya?

Now this poor teacher in Sudan.

Folks, let me tell you, Islam is the religion of the devil --- Satan is the master of counterfeit and this religion called Islam has trapped millions of people.

Believers or not, people who are spiritually sensitive can feel the oppressive and destitude atmosphere when taking a walk in an Islamic society.

>>>Where are the hundreds of thousands of "moderate" muslims thats should be out in the streets all over the world protesting the treatment of this poor woman>>>

So what protest were you participating in today?

A few hundred idiots ranting for this woman's execution is wrong, but it is far from enough to convict a billion followers. It's about as correct as assuming that the sexual abuse scandals in the catholic church are an indication that all priests are pederasts or that those freaks protesting at miliatry funerals are representative of all Baptists...kneejerk,un- nuanced... though it makes things easier to understand and might lead you to think that your mental health is A OK :p

A few hundred idiots ranting for this woman's execution is wrong, but it is far from enough to convict a billion followers.

First of all it is thousands who are calling for this poor woman's execution -- 2nd, one would think that if "moderates" formed the core of over a billion Muslims then we should rightly expect some significant turnouts around the world to protest this woman's innocence -- it's not like Muslims don't know how to get out into the streets and protest injustice -- but it is very telling about what they see as injustice -- cartoons and teddy bears named Mohamad are bad -- while murdering cartoonists and teachers are acceptable.

So if there is any assumption I am making its that I assume that out of a billion Muslims we should see see some significant numbers of Muslims protesting this woman's innocence, and we would if they were mostly moderate as Lefties continually try to argue here -- that their aren't any protests-- tells me that the alternative is true -- a significat number of Muslims find what is being done to this teacher acceptable. And that is tragic.

Thousands? Guess it depends on your news source, most of the sources I've seen today look more like this:

www.abc.net.au

www.ibtimes.com


Some did recognize the shame of being associated with such an obscenity:

uk.news.yahoo.com

www.nationalpost.com

>>>a significat number of Muslims find what is being done to this teacher acceptable. And that is tragic.>>>

I'm still unsure of how you can still come that conclusion, unless its because it might fit the comfort zone you have for viewing the world. These types of generalizations are dangerous.

"You have to spend more than five minutes to know where I'm coming from."

RAY, If I step on a pile of shit, I know it right away. I could stop and analyze it closely to determine what kind of shit it is, or just move on. That is how I view your web site.

TAKITEZ:

Sorry, but I do not remember the Hungarian nurses in Libya. What happened there?

I'm still unsure of how you can still come that conclusion,

If Muslims regularly come out into the streets by the thousands to protest that which offends them. Then one need only look at the things they are protesting to find the object of their distaste.

That thousands of Muslims would choose to protest in the streets call for the exectuion of a poor woman who did nothing but name a Teddy Bear after one of her students at that student's request. And yet there are no protests of even equivclent size anywhere in the world by Muslims who are protesting this abomination of their religion leads me to believe that most Muslims do not believe that it is an abomination and they find the treatment of this woman acceptable.

For example, It's not like Westernized Muslims in the UK and Europe have never protested in the name of their religion before -- so it is very telling that they have remained silent at this travesty. And as far as I can tell, not even a single protest has occurred by Muslims in defense of this teacher.

PANCHOVILLA:

The assumptions that you are making are not on the mark. Yes, some Christians bomb abortion clinics and some priests do molest young kids. But when something like that goes down, you don't have the mass of people taking to the streets to support these actions.
What disturbs me more than anything is that the mosque leaders were inciting the unrest, but they should have been preaching peace and forgiveness.

RAY, If I step on a pile of shit, I know it right away. I could stop and analyze it closely to determine what kind of shit it is, or just move on. That is how I view your web site.

Posted by NJDevil at 2007-12-01 07:37 PM |


It's the Christian thing to do. You idiots are worshiping the sun and don't know it. It's a wacky world when faith and superstition reign over science and reason.

Yes, some Christians bomb abortion clinics and some priests do molest young kids. But when something like that goes down, you don't have the mass of people taking to the streets to support these actions.

Aren't people tired of making the lame compariosn between the few bombings of abortion clinics by fringe groups that are not supported by any major church with atrocities that are committed by mainstream muslims and supporeted by Mullahs with thousands if not millions of followers. the next thing pancho will bring up is of course the crusades and the inquisition as if they were yesterday -- yet they happened hundreds of years ago

Just the fact that Lefties have to continue to dredge up the actions of the few gay pedophile priests and abortion clinic bombers in order to say the world's 2.5 billion Christians are just as bad as the terrorism comitted in the name of Islam on a massive scale and accepted by most if not all of the major islamic sects in the world -- shows that the Lefites have lost the argument.

The fact is that Christianity already had its reformation and it is far less bloodthirsty then modern Islam. And just trying to deny that fact as Lefties do, out of hatred of christianity or just hatred of US foreign policy around the world -- doesn't make make Islamo-fascism any less real a threat to the US and the West.

it is undfortunate that our strategic interests are so tied to the oil controlled by followers of a medieval, murderous, draconian religion -- but until we find an alternative energy source we have no choice but to have to deal with them.

The fact is that Christianity already had its reformation and it is far less bloodthirsty then modern Islam.

Sure if you don't count the Korean War, the Vietnam War and war on Islam, to mention only three. All sanctioned by Christians like Bubba Bowa.

>>>But when something like that goes down, you don't have the mass of people taking to the streets to support these actions.>>>

These people were not taking to the streets to support something as much as to request something grotesque. It's not as if the teacher had been executed and this crowd was there to throw a party or support that action, as you propose in your post.

>>>What disturbs me more than anything is that the mosque leaders were inciting the unrest, but they should have been preaching peace and forgiveness.>>>

I agree and anyone inciting violence or hate should be dealt with accordingly. These same measures could be applied to some >kill the gays> baptist ministers. It's a warped interpretation of religion used for manipulation of people that are usually desperate.

Bowa,

I'm far from comparing the level of violence preached in some mosques or even entire countries to that of any other religion. I'm just underlining the fact that nothing is ever completely white or black. I can't speak from knowledge about the average muslim in the middle east, but I do have many muslim friends here in montreal and they are some of the nicest, warmest and tolerant people I know, with a set of values that are quite comparable to mine. They are religious, but maybe have a more balanced rapport with their spiritual beliefs.

I think that most of the violence that is presently channeled (sp?) through islam in some third world countries would find another way to manifest itself if islamic fascism did not exist. The root cause is not necessarily as much the religion, although it is used to foment the troops, but rather the basic desire to have something more than the pitiful conditions most of them live in.

People are afraid of the truth. that's why they believe in the bible.

I think that most of the violence that is presently channeled (sp?) through islam in some third world countries would find another way to manifest itself if islamic fascism did not exist. The root cause is not necessarily as much the religion, although it is used to foment the troops, but rather the basic desire to have something more than the pitiful conditions most of them live in.

I don't disagree that their are other causes which exist to promote and foment violence against non-muslims in not only 3rd world countries but muslim communities throughout the world -- not the least of which is anti- semitism, anti-zionism, and a tendency by many muslim leaders to blame the US and the West for failures within their government and economy in order to deflect their followers anger away from them.

However, the draconian structure of Islam which remains almost unchanged since the middle ages creates an environment for terrorism and "islamo-fascism" to flourish that is just not present in the other major religions of the world -- all of which have gone through some form of enlightenment and reformation in the past 500 years. One product of this reformation is western style democracy as exhibited by the UK and the US among other nations.

I don't know exactly how you work the argument that both the korean and vietnam war were "christian" wars -- They were part of the "cold war" against 'communism" under which some 200+ million people were slaughtered in the 20th century. As for the war agaisnt Islam going on today -- I think it is less of a war against Islam and more an attempt to promote the westernized version of Islam that your friends in Montreal adhere too and stand up against the kind of fascist totatalitaian form of the religion practiced by the muslims in Sudan among others.

NJdevil, simply google it and read for yourself.


There is no salvation in Islam. Only religion.

I don't know exactly how you work the argument that both the korean and vietnam war were "christian" wars -- They were part of the "cold war" against 'communism" under which some 200+ million people were slaughtered in the 20th century. As for the war agaisnt Islam going on today -- I think it is less of a war against Islam and more an attempt to promote the westernized version of Islam that your friends in Montreal adhere too and stand up against the kind of fascist totatalitaian form of the religion practiced by the muslims in Sudan among others.



Sorry pancho, that last part was actually for Ray instead of you.

It's a wacky world when faith and superstition reign over science and reason.

Posted by Ray at 2007-12-01 07:52 PM |


What's whacky Ray is when an atheist such as yourself that claims they know the bible from cover to cover refuses to see the truths/science contained within it. Commands (for your own good and the good of others) to abstain from homo sex (Aids), promiscuity (STD's), Adultry, (Broken familes and damaged kids) etc. etc. etc. You don't know science Ray and you sure aren't going to admit these truths are contained in the bible, handed down from generation to generation for their own good.

Though the cure for these ailments already exists,(abstainance) atheists are among those who advocate that man continue to develope pills that cover mans sin against the NATURAL GOD of the universe, all the while trumpeting there is no afterlife.

Tell ya what, Ray. Genesis states let the land appear. One land, Not lands, Ray.

I could go on but won't bother since it's obvious you read the book with exteme prejudice only looking for ways to condem it. I think Ray, that you're demon possessed. That's what your website makes clear. Your choice to belong nowhere is profoundly your own.

Your website say's to me, Ray, that you are against everything and everyone and for NO-THING. What a lost lost soul you are.

I don't know who or what damaged you but God have mercy on your soul.


Porky

I don't know science? I guess my BSME was for nothing. I should have majored in theology were the real scientists are.

Genesis states let the land appear. One land, Not lands, Ray.

Oh yes, about 4,000 years ago. Its first inhabitant was a man who gave birth to woman who became his wife. All was perfect until they met a talking snake.

Do go on. The more you write, the dumber you get.

BOWA:

You missed my point. I am NOT equating the two at all. I've read other posting by you and we are not at odds.

This teacher in the Sudan is just lucky she didn't cross the FBI because they would have filled her school with CS gas and then lit in on fire,killing both the adults and children,like they did in Waco Texas!

This teacher in the Sudan is just lucky she didn't cross the FBI because they would have filled her school with CS gas and then lit in on fire,killing both the adults and children,like they did in Waco Texas!

Wow anticadillac you nailed it-- I'm sure that the first words that crossed this teachers mind when she was arrested for naming a teddy bear Mohammad was "Im glad I'm not in Texas because look what happened to David koresh"

LOL

It's amazing The lengths some people will go to to trash their own country.

Commands (for your own good and the good of others) to abstain from homo sex (Aids), promiscuity (STD's), Adultry, (Broken familes and damaged kids) etc. etc.

My favorite biblical example of a dysfunctional family was Jesus' ancestor David. First there was his love affair with Saul's son Jonathan. He got another man's wife pregnant, then sent him to the war front to get killed. One of David's sons raped his sister Tamar. David had many wives; his son Solomon had hundreds. David's son Absalom rebelled against his father. One day he went into David's harem and fucked them all. David had his wives put under house arrest for the rest of their lives and never went near them again. On his deathbed, he had a young maiden keep him warm.

Yes the Bible presents an exemplary model of family life.

NiceSwill and his constantly pissed-off blood-thirsty Cthulhuian cloud being would probably feel right at home smack dab in the middle of that crowd calling for the woman's death. And it's rich that he has to predictably pronounce someone else as "damaged" in order to validate whatever coup he was trying to count.

Judge not, pilgrim, lest...

just read another story on this and here is one part that is new to me.....
THE CLASS VOTED ON THIS NAME.....the teacher didnt tell them to name it that........

SO WHY arent they demanding the death to all of the children in the class......or is their attack just for the white looking woman and not REALLY an islamic thing???????

IF KIDS CANNOT NAME A BEAR AFTER A CLASSMATE, THEN NO ONE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO NAME CLASSMATES AFTER A PROPHET.

THE DOUBLE STANDARDS IN THE MIDDLE EAST ARE SICKENING.

"""a tendency by many muslim leaders to blame the US and the West for failures within their government and economy in order to deflect their followers anger away from them."""

I agree that the social structure in some of these countries is backwards when compared to NA society and it is in great part for this reason that fanatics seem to obtain support. There are many failures within the different gov'ts of these countries, but to completely eliminate u.s. and other countries past intervention in their affairs (e.g.: iran, iraq, afghanistan, etc.) as a valid reason for some of the frustration is looking at the issue without complete objectivity.

My favorite biblical example of a dysfunctional family was Jesus' ancestor David. First there was his love affair with Saul's son Jonathan. He got another man's wife pregnant, then sent him to the war front to get killed. One of David's sons raped his sister Tamar. David had many wives; his son Solomon had hundreds. David's son Absalom rebelled against his father. One day he went into David's harem and fucked them all. David had his wives put under house arrest for the rest of their lives and never went near them again. On his deathbed, he had a young maiden keep him warm.


Yes the Bible presents an exemplary model of family life.

Posted by Ray at 2007-12-01 09:42 PM |


Indeed Ray, the Bible is designed to teach you something you choose to be incapeable of understanding. It holds nothing back. You choose, Ray, to not discern the reasons for the stories are to point out both the pitfalls and blessings of life (the good, the bad and the ugly) and show the mercy/forgiveness of its creator in allowing you to err in hopes that you'll learn.

Indeed Ray, some people are smart enough to see the pitfalls that others don't but at some point even they will find one and just like us all will require/desire forgiveness.

My guess is Ray, that you've been nursing alot of grudges for a long long time for whatever reasons.

Tell ya what Ray, forgiveness sets you free. Try it. Forgiving yourself first, Ray, is the first step.

I'm surprised they're not demanding the Islamic tradition of beheading in the public square.

These people need to join the 21st century.

Even the 19th would be an improvement.

Why isn't any person who ever named a child Mohammed/Muhammed BEHEADED by their "brethern" muslims/dickheads?

Posted by Kris_P_Bacon at 2007-12-02 03:16 PM |

Porky - I will always think of you as a source of amusement.

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