Guess it would have been just too, too difficult to have said "That was a very unfortunate affair, which I had nothing to do with."

Or maybe there actually IS a lie so big it won't even pass the biggest liar in the world's lips.

Disgusting doesn't cover it.

Larry Mohr

Come on Lokisfur JeffJ Tadowe et al. What say You now?? Sure is awfully quiet on Your end.

Larry Mohr

The "disgusting" part is where Leftists and, or Democratics continue to hold Plame up as "covert", and when she obviously WAS NOT!

This is, and history will show, a case of a federal agency attempting to subvert the success of a war in order to gain advantage for one party of the nation.

Here is the crux of the matter: the CIA gave permission to Wilson to go public!!!

That means that they were well aware that Wilson's wife might become involved int he controversy that was guaranteed to follow this effort to undermine the President of the United States, and the war we were engaged in fighting!

Not a one of you can EVER get past that fact --- and instead you stumble around and continue to infer that BUSH/CHENEY/ROVE did it!

Did what, morons? The CIA outed Plame and you know it!

bwhahahahaha Taddy Boy Opines as usual. Gotta love it.

Larry Mohr

Larry provides some reason to the discussion, "bwhahahahaha"

That's actually the smartest thing I've ever heard you say, Larry ... good for you. You'll soon be writing entire sentences ...

Link has three pages.(documents from court) READ THEM.

Alex posts opinion as somehow being a fact.

You and Larry are coming along fine, now. Soon you will be able to deduce your own reasonable conclusions ...

So, try considering that Fitzgerald did not bring an endictment for this crime. Can you do that, all by yourself?

If you need more help, just ask.

Here is the crux of the matter: the CIA gave permission to Wilson to go public!!!

TADOWE

Sure. AFTER she was outed to the world.

Three syllables: Thor-a-zine

So, try considering that Fitzgerald did not bring an endictment for this crime. Can you do that, all by yourself?

If you need more help, just ask.

Posted by tadowe at 2007-11-30 04:02 AM | Reply


Yeah what is this word Endictment??

Larry Mohr

Alex posts opinion as somehow being a fact.

Yes, court documents are my opinion. My opinion is that they exist, because they do.

Did I misspell a word, Larry? Good for you! Now, you can advance to something that might actually insult me, eh?

PS AU Have fun in NYC Stay Safe.

Larry Mohr

So, try considering that Fitzgerald did not bring an endictment(sic) for this crime.

That's because he would have had to prove malicious purposeful intent in the outing, and that it wasn't accidental or a miscommunication.

VERY difficult to prove.

This has all been argued relentlessly for four years now, and you have been WRONG every step of the way, Tadowe. Kudos for not bowing to reality...you're consistent if nothing else.

Three syllables for Taddy

"She had permission to go public!!"

Ya, AFTER she was outed.

Three syllables: Thor-a-zine

Did I misspell a word, Larry? Good for you! Now, you can advance to something that might actually insult me, eh?

Posted by tadowe at 2007-11-30 04:05 AM | Reply

Well it would help Me to understand what You are dribbling about if You at least spelt words correctly Taddy Boy.

Larry Mohr

They aren't fact, Alex!

If Plame was covert, the original contention applies: The CIA is responsible for allowing their agent to become a subject for investigation by allowing Wilson to go public with LIES!!!!

What Wilson said IN PUBLIC was lies and misdirections about the facts that have become public knowledge since then.

The "joke" is that you and your ilk are so DESPERATE for any muck to rake that you continue to believe out-and-out lies concerning this, while hiding your collective head in the sand over that fact that the CIA ALLOWED this to happen!!!

That's why Fitzgerald WON'T ever bring a case against anyone, because it was the CIA who allowed this to happen!!!


.... and you lying crapweasels know it, too ...

PS AU Have fun in NYC Stay Safe.

LARRY

Thanks man.

Ut Oh better call Belleveu.

Larry Mohr

The CIA is responsible for allowing their agent to become a subject for investigation by allowing Wilson to go public with LIES!!!!

TADOWE

That's funny. The Nigerian Minister of Mines said Wilson was exactly right. The Minister was the one person who would know definitely. Wilson was right. Iraq did not seek to buy large quantities of Yellowcake Uranium. Period.

Larry devolves, "Well it would help Me to understand what You are dribbling about if You at least spelt words correctly Taddy Boy."

And, Larry, you were doing so well ... now it is excuses???

No Taddy Boy it is YOU who said that You'll soon be writing entire sentences ... Oh how in the world am I to graduate into writing complete sentences when You don't spell words for Me correctly?? I mean really. How am I to do that. Don't You want to Teach Me how to write and communicate properly??

Larry Mohr

wel I gues I wil Bee a dumm phuck untel Taddy Boy Teechus Mee Hows too communikate Ahhhh shuks

Larry Mohr

Oh great more delusions. Why am I NOT Surprised.

Larry Mohr

Nothing like sending a former Ambassador to Africa and head of the Africa desk at the NSC who happens to know the one man who can prove or dispell the claims very well.

Nigeria didn't sell yellowcake uranium to Iraq. End of story. Seeking to and being rebuffed are not the same as securing it. And certaninly no excuse to launch a preemptive war is it?

I've said what I've said and posted the support for my conclusions. You don't want to dispute any of that -- because you can't. So, you misdirect with stuff like this:

"Nigeria didn't sell yellowcake uranium to Iraq."

No one said they did, and that is why you stuff it full of straw and call it a "man".

The claim was that Iraq had attempted to acquire the stuff, and I expect you already know that very well. That's why you erect the strawman to knock down -- like some callow sophomore.

As stated, none of you can get past the first square in this game of political hopscotch, because it was the CIA that allowed the "outing" of Plame, their own agent who was no secret, at all, but commuted daily to CIA Headquarters; where every camera set-up by every nation spying on them could record her trips to-and-from ...

But, I'm sure you all will come up with tons of other misdirections, won't you, you pack of inveterate liars?

Lorddddd it must suck to be a Bushite. They are so God Damned Desperate to justify the UNJUSTIFIABLE. It's quite sad really.

Larry Mohr

BTW why would Saddam Seek more Yellowcake when He had Tonnes of it IN COUNTRY. Before You declare aha see He had illegal stuff let Me remind You it had been declared in 1991 and had been monitored up until 2002. So WHY would Saddam Hussein need more when He already had it??

Larry Mohr

Larry asks, "BTW why would Saddam Seek more Yellowcake when He had Tonnes of it IN COUNTRY. Before You declare aha see He had illegal stuff let Me remind You it had been declared in 1991 and had been monitored up until 2002. So WHY would Saddam Hussein need more when He already had it??"

The claim was that Saddam was attempting to reconstitute his nuclear program. Since that time, it has become confirmed that Saddam was attempting to restart his nuclear program.

It is your intransigence, and that of your fellow partisan attack artist's, which attempt to deny any context between the facts as known now, and Wilson's effort (on behalf of the CIA) to deny any such effort, then!

The reason for the rehash of this is exactly because you have no other shit to spread and claim it is Republicans who did the squat!

So, the stooges set you up to issue your "Bwaahaahaahaa's" and prove just what stupidity is all about ...

Lordddd You ARE Hopeless Taddy.

Larry Mohr

"Alex posts opinion as somehow being a fact."

Tad misses the delicious irony of his own posts.

Sanan points over there, "Tad misses the delicious irony of his own posts."

You missed the FACT that the CIA must have provided permission for Wilson to go public.

Really, none of you can ever begin to get past that one ... so you whine and moan about me, me, me ... little ol' me ...

I'm so mean and cruel to you "liberals" ... I must be punished and dumped so you don't have to understand that the CIA did it ... that's right, the CIA outed their own agent ...

Anyone with any background in intelligence knows that ... and I would love to hear any yellow-dog who was in one of the services say differently, too!

None will, though, because they know the CIA made the revelation of Plame a foregone conclusion in allowing Wilson to go public ...

See, that? Here you are giving me another chance to state that fact ... what a dildo!

"You missed the FACT that the CIA must have provided permission for Wilson to go public."

Well you see Tad, FACTS have empirical evidence behind them. Otherwise they are opinions or assumptions. So unless you can provide that evidence, you are expressing your opinion, or making an assumption.

Ergo, the iron part. Get it?

*irony*

Why would the CIA need to give permission to Joe Wilson to go public?? He wasn't an employee of the CIA.

Larry Mohr

Larry wonders, "Why would the CIA need to give permission to Joe Wilson to go public?? He wasn't an employee of the CIA."

There is absolutely no reason for you to worry your little head, Larry. Just forget the whole thing -- you will, anyway.

I gave You another funny Taddy. That is fucking hilarious dude. I got the flu and You are making Me sound like a laughing hiena here good for You.

Larry Mohr

Sanan tries, "Well you see Tad, FACTS have empirical evidence behind them. Otherwise they are opinions or assumptions. So unless you can provide that evidence, you are expressing your opinion, or making an assumption."

Some facts are obvious to those familiar with the subject, and while they aren't to those who can't be bothered to think.

The CIA hired him to go and make a report to them. That report is the property of the CIA, and putatively classified for intelligence reasons. To reveal non-secret matters would require coordination between Wilson and the CIA.

Indeed, considerations about providing the public with intelligence gained through a CIA operation should, MUST, have included the fact that Wilson's wife (a subject of news interest once Joe goes public) worked in the very section which planned and conducted the "operation", with which to begin.

If Wilson, and the CIA members involved in discussing what could and could not be said to the public, failed to notice Ms. Plame -- then Ms. Plame was negligent in not saying words to the effect, "Hey, won't that endanger my position with the CIA?"

No ... everything must be spelled out for you ... and then you'll simply ignore it, and as you studiously ignore all that is said to you with which you disagree; facts or not!

"Ergo, the iron part. Get it?"

Listen, really ... I can't be insulted by fools ... got that?

Mine ain't so bad just a stopped up head and a horrible cough. I haven't gotten My flu shot yet. guess I don't need to now huh ??

Larry Mohr

You sound like me. I had a chance two weeks ago to get one free at my work and thought nah I'm too busy. now my head is throbbing from my sinuses being so clogged, my throat is burning and I am hacking and coughing all night. Ugh I'm miserable.

I look at it this way I get sick once I won't get that sickness again. At least that is what I tell Myself anyways.

Larry Mohr

You missed the FACT that the CIA must have provided permission for Wilson to go public.



you seemed locked to this point.

well lets parse it

first. ok Wilson was given permission to go public with the results of his study.

it does NOT follow logically that this would lead to the revelation that his wife is a covert agent.

I wouild presume that there is much overlay between state dept and covert agents and this issue likely comes up frequency. that the actions of one person could impact the covert status of another's relationship.

It is unprecedented that the name of a covert agent is released by senior officials.

Secondly, assuming you are correct, it seems that the selection of WIlson could have been done with the unspoken blackmail that if you do something damaging to the administration they would fuck you back.

Kind of nice to select someone for this type of enterprise where you have that control over the person.

just goes to show you the who the true patriots are.

To reveal non-secret matters would require coordination between Wilson and the CIA.



while revealing secret matters would only require a cabal of white house treasonites.

If Wilson, and the CIA members involved in discussing what could and could not be said to the public, failed to notice Ms. Plame -- then Ms. Plame was negligent in not saying words to the effect, "Hey, won't that endanger my position with the CIA?"



Plame is to expect that senior administration officials would commit treason?

IF JOE WILSON WAS NOT ALLOWED TO GO PUBLIC WITH HIS FINDINGS HE WOULD HAVE BEEN ARRESTED. Hellooooooooooo Taddy Boy. Use some common sense please.

Larry Mohr

Poor, poor Turdowe, can't even get into the nomination process for "Worst Person in the World" since he's not a person. Just a mindless, heartless, US Constitution hating lump of shinola.

Turdowe the best thing that could happen to you would to get a body wrap of wet rawhide and to be laid out in the hot desert sun. It would be interesting to see what the shrinking mass of rawhide squeezed out of you. Prune juice perhaps?

The truth hurts you, and that's a fact.

Now, there is evidence that Saddam was attempting to restart his nuclear program. Post all the outdated material you care to, because I expect that of you! You are masters of misdirection, after all!

The facts remain that Wilson went public, and that the CIA must have provided guidance for that to happen ...

Ergo, they outed Plame, themselves.

The facts remain that Wilson went public, and that the CIA must have provided guidance for that to happen ...
Ergo, they outed Plame, themselves.

Posted by tadowe at 2007-11-30 08:44 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag:

And You know this HOW??????????

Larry Mohr

Larry can't resist copying a fellow leftist and, or Democratic, "And You know this HOW??????????"

Are you actually this stupid, Larry? Why don't you read what I told the other person, eh? Give it a try and get back to me.

I read Your dribble Taddy Boy. It's BULLSHIT is what it is.

Larry Mohr

Now, there is evidence that Saddam was attempting to restart his nuclear program. Post all the outdated material you care to, because I expect that of you! You are masters of misdirection, after all!


dude how delusional are you?

Did you LOOK at the link i posted?

IT WAS THE CIA'S OFFICIAL DOCUMENT ON THE SUBJECT

FROM September 2004.

ok 3 years old, but you REALLY believe information has come to light in the past 3 years to change that fact?

THE CIA and the ISG WROTE THE FOLLOWING:

Saddam Husayn ended the nuclear program in 1991 following the Gulf war. ISG found no evidence to suggest concerted efforts to restart the program.


is that so HARD to accept?

if that is incorrect, please provide some documentation to refute it.

I posted Hitchen's references and site. In that reference, it shows that the CIA was aware of the 1999 meeting in Niger with the Iraqi, but that Wilson was not told about it.

All this is moot, anyway, and since it is already accepted that Saddam was restarting (or trying) his nuclear program with such meetings; however tentative.

It is a misdirection from the facts as stated, orignially: that the CIA had to coordinate the release of this information; to assure means-and-methods weren't revealed, and along with the informationt they would allow Wilson to say ... which were shown to be lies, and where he knew that the CIA office his wife worked in picked him for the "operation", that Cheney did NOT ask for the "operation" and that it was planned and conducted to do exactly what was accomplished: Wilson to go public with information that would damage Bush and assist Democratics.

There isn't much more that needs to be said, in an historical sense ... the excuses and misdirections will disappear like mist, then ...

HITCHENS You are sourcing HITCHENS?? My God that would be like Me sourcing Michael Moore. Bwhahahahaahh God that's funnnnnny,

Larry Mohr

There isn't much more that needs to be said, in an historical sense ... the excuses and misdirections will disappear like mist, then ...

Posted by tadowe at 2007-11-30 09:03 AM | Reply |


You're correct, Karl Rove will make another appearance on Charlie Rose to say "But, but, it didn't happen that way".

Doesn't it make your head hurt to be forced to have it up Lush Rimjob's ass for that long?

"Doesn't it make your head hurt to be forced to have it up Lush Rimjob's ass for that long?"

Oh no, he loves it, because Rush has never, ever played "fast and loose with the facts", right Tad?

I served in various intelligence capacities for nearly thirteen years, and know that Wilson could not have gone public without the approval of the CIA.

You can make all the exuses you want, but it is the CIA and Wilson who "outed" Plame. Even Plame, herself, is responsible for not forcing the issue and declining to have her husband go public ... but she didn't.

It was all an effort to revile and defame a president during a time of war ... a petty treason done to advance party over nation ...

That's what history will show and as more and more of those in the intelligence fields come forward to repeat what I've said ... and more ...

I don't believe a Word You say Taddy. NOT ONE WORD.

Larry Mohr

Sanan comes back, after an absence, to say: "Oh no, he loves it, because Rush has never, ever played "fast and loose with the facts", right Tad?"

I'm still your subject, I see. I'm gratified that I'm so very important to you, Sanan. I must have really gotten to you, eh?

I realy enjoy your "applause".

February 17, 2003: International Atomic Energy Agency Scientist Concludes Niger Documents Are Fraudulent Jacques Bautes, head of the UN Iraq Nuclear Verification office, returns to Vienna after having interviewed several current and former Iraqi officials in Baghdad. The Iraqis denied that their government had tried to obtain uranium from Niger, as has been alleged by the Bush administration. Bautes does not believe the Iraqis were telling the truth and intends to confront them with the Niger documents after he has researched the details of the purported uranium purchase deal that is described in the documents. But when he conducts a Google search for a few keywords and phrases from the documents he realizes that there is something seriously wrong. He quickly concludes that the documents were fabricated. [Isikoff and Corn, 2006, pp. 202-203] Several months later, Melissa Fleming, a spokeswoman for the IAEA, will describe to reporters how easy it was for Bautes to determine that the documents were fakes. "These were blatant forgeries. We were able to determine that they were forgeries very quickly," she says. [Independent, 6/5/2003] When Jacques Bautes asks for an explanation from the US, there is no response. "What do you have to say? They had nothing to say," Baute will later recall in an interview with Seymour Hersh. [New Yorker, 3/31/2003] There are numerous indications that the documents are forgeries.

Several of the names and titles of officials mentioned in the documents are incorrect. For example, one of the letters is purportedly signed by Niger's President Tandja Mamadou. The signature is said to be an obvious forgery. An unnamed IAEA official will tell Reuters, "It doesn't even look close to the signature of the president. I'm not a (handwriting) expert but when I looked at it my jaw dropped." [Unknown, n.d.; Globe and Mail, 3/8/2003; Reuters, 3/26/2003; New Yorker, 3/31/2003; Knight Ridder, 6/13/2003] Another, dated October 10, 2000, is signed "Alle Elhadj Habibou" --Niger's foreign minister who had not been in office since 1989. [Unknown, n.d.; Reuters, 3/26/2003; New Yorker, 3/31/2003; Knight Ridder, 6/13/2003] Another letter includes the forged signature and seal of Wissam al-Zahawie, Iraq's former ambassador to the Vatican. When Mr. Al-Zahawie is interviewed by the IAEA, he informs the agency that it was standard procedure for all diplomatic notes to be initialed and sealed, while letters were only to be signed--with no seal. He explains that correspondences were never both signed and sealed. [Unknown, n.d.; Independent, 8/10/2003]
In addition to problems with signatures and seals, there are other problems as well. One letter is on the wrong letterhead. [Knight Ridder, 6/13/2003] The "letterhead was out of date and referred to Niger's Supreme Military Council' from the pre-1999 era--which would be like calling Russia the Soviet Union," reports Reuters. [Unknown, n.d.; Reuters, 3/26/2003]
Another letter, purported to be from the president of Niger, refers to his authority under the country's obsolete 1966 constitution. [Unknown, n.d.; Reuters, 3/26/2003]
Also, in some letters, French words are misspelled and dates do not correspond to the correct days of the week. [Mercury News (San Jose), 3/18/2003]
The IAEA also points out that the amount of uranium which Iraq is purportedly interested in purchasing is unrealistic. Seymour Hersh, writing for the New Yorker, explains: "The large quantity of uranium involved should have been another warning sign. Niger's yellow cake' comes from two uranium mines controlled by a French company, with its entire output pre-sold to nuclear power companies in France, Japan, and Spain. Five hundred tons can't be siphoned off without anyone noticing,' ... [an] IAEA official told me." [New Yorker, 3/31/2003 Sources: Unnamed senior official from the IAEA]
Entity Tags: Mamadou Tandja, Mohamed ElBaradei, Alle Elhadj Habibou, Wissam al-Zahawie, Jacques Bautes
Timeline Tags: Events Leading to Iraq Invasion




2/17/03 the PRIMARY threat posed by SH is PROVEN TO BE FALSE.

war was illegal.

"I'm gratified that I'm so very important to you,"

I'm gratified that you're gratified.

"I realy enjoy your 'applause'."

We know. So take another bow.

"That's what history will show"

Ah, the final refuge for the defeated. "HISTORY WILL VINDICATE ME!"

You can make all the exuses you want, but it is the CIA and Wilson who "outed" Plame. Even Plame, herself, is responsible for not forcing the issue and declining to have her husband go public ... but she didn't.

It was all an effort to revile and defame a president during a time of war ... a petty treason done to advance party over nation ...




bullshit

you post as fact that plame would have been outed as a result of wilson's report. that it would have been a foregone conclusion

that is utter nonsense.

it assumes that someone would have committed treason no matter what. that is just not true. Our spies should expect protection from politicians.


your assumption is that plame should have EXPECTED to have been outed as a result of this enterprise.

that is just sick.

The outing of a CIA agent is serious. it seriously impacts our national security.

I wonder how our nation was damaged. What happened to plame's sources? I would imagine some of them received retribution for aiding her. I bet many other sources got scared to interact with other agents.

Tad crushed again. kanigit!

"Tad crushed again. kanigit!"

Oh God Alex, don't set him off again on how all the meanies were hurling "racially" charged epithets at him.

i just dont get how anyone could ignore these facts and make blantantly wrong statements.

"Tad crushed again. kanigit!"

Oh God Alex, don't set him off again on how all the meanies were hurling "racially" charged epithets at him.

Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2007-11-30 09:42 AM | Reply | Flag

Ok San, I'm more than willing to take the dump, even a suspension so I'll just say the following.

Turdowe is a baby fucking, seal bashing, turd burgling, ear curdling, slack-jawed, misanthropic, alimentary canal dwelling, party pooping worthless son of a Phillipine whore that doesn't deserve the next breath of air that he's stealing from the rest of the world.

TH says "you post as fact that plame would have been outed as a result of wilson's report. that it would have been a foregone conclusion [--] that is utter nonsense. [I]t assumes that someone would have committed treason no matter what. that is just not true. Our spies should expect protection from politicians."

No, the "treason" was in using the CIA to support partisan efforts to demean and belittle the reasoning why we went to war. After all, as it turns out the CIA already knew that Iraq and Niger had made contact in '99. Indeed, it has since been shown that Saddam was starting to reinstitute his nuclear program, and no matter how tentatively you make it appear to be.

Standard Operating Procedure is what assures me that the CIA MUST review material which is to be released to the public and that means-and-methods MUST NOT appear in those announcements.

Plame was "outed" as a result, and even if they thought the chance remote ... they would have still considered it as a factor. But, really, I don't care if you and the ilk refuse to believe or understand ... I'm writing for those who may actually have an honest outlook on life ... not the begging, greedy, cowardly and frightened character of a Leftist and, or Democratic subversive sheit.

"your assumption is that plame should have EXPECTED to have been outed as a result of this enterprise."

Of course she should have!!!

"that is just sick."

Then, if sick, it was the CIA who put her in those contretemps, and she should have just said, "NO!"

Of course, she didn't, because she wasn't covert and was known to work at the CIA, already...

"The outing of a CIA agent is serious. it seriously impacts our national security."

So does lying about exceptions to FISA and leading the impression that foreign agents have some rights to privacy when they call the USA!

You are all making yourselves into subversive scum by refusing to recognize the reality of this issue. I actually appreciate your doing so, because I think of you all as despicable vermin ... and love to see you all squirming down there with your lies and bilious vomitings ...

"I wonder how our nation was damaged. What happened to plame's sources? I would imagine some of them received retribution for aiding her. I bet many other sources got scared to interact with other agents."

You are too stupid to understand that no one with "sources" commutes to Langley, daily....

Indeed, no one can convince you of anything that isn't Leftist and, or Democratic subversion for party over nation ...

Despicable scum sucking vermin!

HISTORY WILL VINDICATE ME!"

Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2007-11-30 09:28 AM | Reply

Isn't that hat Dubya always saying??? No wonder Taddy Boy loves Him so.

Larry Mohr

No, the "treason" was in using the CIA to support partisan efforts to demean and belittle the reasoning why we went to war. After all, as it turns out the CIA already knew that Iraq and Niger had made contact in '99. Indeed, it has since been shown that Saddam was starting to reinstitute his nuclear program, and no matter how tentatively you make it appear to be.

TH: no the treasonable act was releasing a CIA agents name. demeaning and belittle LIES by exposing the TRUTH is NOT treason. And it is just silly to state that Wilson did not know about Zahawie (that was his job).

and it is a LIE to state that Saddam was reinstituting his nuclear program. the CIA and the ISG state categorically as such. INTENTION IS NOT THREAT.


Plame was "outed" as a result, and even if they thought the chance remote ... they would have still considered it as a factor. But, really, I don't care if you and the ilk refuse to believe or understand ... I'm writing for those who may actually have an honest outlook on life ... not the begging, greedy, cowardly and frightened character of a Leftist and, or Democratic subversive sheit.


TH: Plame was OUTED because the White House cabal wanted to embarrass and thus obfuscate Wilson and his findings. One could consider it a subtle effort at blackmail to have him do the investigation. AS YOU ASSERT that would have needfully resulted in his wife's outing, than that would have been clear to Wilson, therefore coloring his judgements (you cant have it both ways). if you were correct (which you were not), than they were attempting to assert undo presure on wilson.


"your assumption is that plame should have EXPECTED to have been outed as a result of this enterprise."

Of course she should have!!!

TH: then she was subjected to undo pressures. However I would assert that COVERT CIA agents should not EXPECT to have their cover blown by politicos. of course if you could demonstrate a precedent that would indicate should could expect her cover to be blown that would be useful, but you cant because the treasonable actions of her outing are UNPRECEDENTED.

"that is just sick."

Then, if sick, it was the CIA who put her in those contretemps, and she should have just said, "NO!"


TH: NOPE, cause she would EXPECT that politicians would not commit treason, making our nation less secure by outing her.

Of course, she didn't, because she wasn't covert and was known to work at the CIA, already...

TH: Except she was covert. PLEASE see all of the above links.

"The outing of a CIA agent is serious. it seriously impacts our national security."

So does lying about exceptions to FISA and leading the impression that foreign agents have some rights to privacy when they call the USA!


TH: obfuscate and deflect.

You are all making yourselves into subversive scum by refusing to recognize the reality of this issue. I actually appreciate your doing so, because I think of you all as despicable vermin ... and love to see you all squirming down there with your lies and bilious vomitings ...


TH:ahhhh subversive scum. nope just someone praising the true patriots plame and wilson. Plame for being a covert agent with all the danger thus entailed and Wilson (who if you are correct), put his and his wife's lives on the line to expose administration lies.

"I wonder how our nation was damaged. What happened to plame's sources? I would imagine some of them received retribution for aiding her. I bet many other sources got scared to interact with other agents."

You are too stupid to understand that no one with "sources" commutes to Langley, daily....


TH: hahahahaha, ok dumbass

Indeed, no one can convince you of anything that isn't Leftist and, or Democratic subversion for party over nation ...

Despicable scum sucking vermin!


TH: party over nation? as in endangering our nation by revealing covert agents thus endangering their contacts, thus putting US and its allies at risk all to embarass a critic?

fuck you.

"Anyone with any background in intelligence knows that ...

Posted by tadowe at 2007-11-30 07:44 AM"

Taddly, it is more than obvious from your absurd posts that you don't have a background in intelligence (by the way, cleaning the toilets of a roadside diner called "The Farm" does not count as 13 years of "serving in various intelligence capacities"). You don't even have a frontground in inteeligence, or even a sideyard in intelligence. You have a trailer, a sister-mom who pays the rent and utilities, and a caseworker, and that's about it. Enjoy your ride to total insanity, Taddly.

Considering that the CIA couldn't pour piss out of a boot with instructions on the heel, I believe they would hire a complete moron like Tadowe.

"Considering that the CIA couldn't pour piss out of a boot with instructions on the heel, I believe they would hire a complete moron like Tadowe."

Who do you think was in charge of printing those instructions on the heel, Alex?

Yeah, thats it... his brain got a little ahead of his mouth. The new GOP euphemism for LIED HIS ASS OFF.

Good find Reag.

Does anyone really read the ridiculous posts of Tadowe??? What a total waste of time.

Danni,

Did you read my response to Turdowe above?

This is, and history will show, a case of a federal agency attempting to subvert the success of a war in order to gain advantage for one party of the nation.

tadowe


Gee, nothing freakishly and conspiratorially paranoid about that statement.

Rove is the worst example of Republicans first, even if you have to fuck the country, that is alive today.

Hard to believe this is also the party of Lincoln. Not so hard to believe the Democrats are in bed with the same criminals.

Does anyone really read the ridiculous posts of Tadowe??? What a total waste of time.

Posted by danni at 2007-11-30 01:19 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Gee Thanks. I guess that makes Me stupid huh??

Larry Mohr

The "disgusting" part is where Leftists and, or Democratics continue to hold Plame up as "covert", and when she obviously WAS NOT!

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Posted by tadowe at 2007-11-30 03:51 AM | Reply | Flag:

Ahhhhh yes. Here we have another Bush apologist who knows the status of each CIA operative.

TADOWE knows the truth, even if the CIA Director said she was covert, TADOWE knows better than to listen to that commie!

Don't question TADOWE, He is ALL KNOWING when it comes to CIA status, so much more than ALL OF YOU!

That means that they were well aware that Wilson's wife might become involved int he controversy that was guaranteed to follow this effort to undermine the President of the United States, and the war we were engaged in fighting!

Not a one of you can EVER get past that fact --- and instead you stumble around and continue to infer that BUSH/CHENEY/ROVE did it!

Did what, morons? The CIA outed Plame and you know it!

Posted by tadowe at 2007-11-30 03:51 AM | Reply | Flag:

SO know it's the CIA's fault because they should have known that Plame would be the target of a political hitjob by the WH?

Tell us, all knowing wise one, why would the CIA suspect that the WH would jeopardize National Security because they didn't like what a CIA agents husband had to say?

You seem to see nothing wrong with outing covert agents, jeopardizing National Security, putting associated agents lives in danger & harming our efforts to stem the flow on nukes onto the black market.

THAT QUALIFIES YOU AS A FUCKING TRAITOR!!

Yes, I said it. Don't like it? Tough titties!

No, the "treason" was in using the CIA to support partisan efforts to demean and belittle the reasoning why we went to war.

~Mad Tad

There was no "reasoning" behind this war.

There was only "treasoning" by Cheney and his meat puppet turning the CIA from an intelligence gathering organisation into a lie supporting gang of partisan hacks under Tenet.

Many CIA officers left the agency over this corruption.

Wot the GOP did was even dumber and more immoral than "Party over Country". It was corporate elitists from around the globe over party over country.

The treasonous outing of Valerie Plame Wilson was just the tip of the ice-berg of their treason, btw.

Val Wilson fer the record was actually working under the assumption that Saddam was working to reconstitute his nuclear program (The only real WMDs, btw, despite the attempts to lump chemical and bio weaponry in there). She didn't want to give the man "the benefit of the doubt" as she said.

Does anyone really read the ridiculous posts of Tadowe??? What a total waste of time.

~Danni

Actually, Spud does but only if Spud has forgotten how to spell either "scum" or "vermin".

Tad tends to use those word every coupla sentences and it's quicker than going to dictionary.com.

Gee Thanks. I guess that makes Me stupid huh??

~Larry M

No Larry, if you ONLY read Taddles postage then you would become stupid and maybe a li'l crazy after a while but reading his insane scribblings and then reading the measured and funny snakastic responses they provoke is all part of the fun here at the DR.

Thanx fer askin'.

^_^

Be Well.

"snakastic" is "snarkastic", btw

Kinda obvious in context but ya never know who's reading, eh?

Be Well.

I know I'm late to the Tadowe Roast, but I don't believe there is a drug manufactured that can ameliorate that kind of cognitive dissonance. Mark my words...one day, he will post up something that, at long last, be so profound it will rock him to the core of his being; so much so that we will hear rumors that he's taken up residence in some Buddhist temple in New Mexico to live out his days in quiet meditation.
--Mr. Lyon Krapweisel

Here's the list of invectives for this thread alone. I suspect he has a rolodex that he uses to keep from over-repeating his favorites.

morons
lying crapweasels (oh, how I adore this one)
you liars
you pack of inveterate liars
stooges
dildo
despicable scum sucking vermin

"I know I'm late to the Tadowe Roast, but I don't believe there is a drug manufactured that can ameliorate that kind of cognitive dissonance."

I agree. I've said it before, and I'll say it again...the only cure for what ails Tad is a good enema.

"Did you read my response to Turdowe above?"

Amazingly concise yet very satisfying.

""reading the measured and funny snakastic responses they provoke is all part of the fun here at the DR.""

Tadowe is very inspiring but I find that actually reading his post in unnecessary to appreciate the beauty of the responses.

Tadowe is a kitten toucher.

...lying crapweasels (oh, how I adore this one)

Spud is actually pretty fond of that one too!

Tadowe is a kitten toucher.

And a sheep botherer!

Ask Taddles why he's not allowed back to the local petting zoo!

As the judge sed...

Mr Dowe, it a "petting zoo" NOT a "heavy petting zoo".

Ha! Spud kids!

Spud kids because he luffs!

Be Well.

"I've said it before, and I'll say it again...the only cure for what ails Tad is a good enema.

Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2007-11-30 03:29 PM"

Be careful in there. That's where he hides his thoughts.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again...the only cure for what ails Tad is a good enema

Spud imagines that if ya gave Tad an enema that took all the shit out of him wot you'd be left with after you were done would fit nicely into a matchbox.

Just a spuddish hypothesis.

Aint got no hard numbers to back that up. ^_^

Be Well.

Here is the crux of the matter: the CIA gave permission to Wilson to go public!!!

yet they won't let Valerie tell the whole sordid story? hmm me thinks something is fishy.

Take a peep at her book ( not you Tadpole get someone to look for you as you will burst into flames!) and you will see that half of the thing is REDACTED by the CIA.

Have your mom read it to you, Tad, after she changes your diaper and cleans the "FBI" badge you got in the cereal box.

The Raw Story on
"Rove on Plame: 'Uhm, Er, Well, Uh ...'"


'Uhm, Er, Well, Uh ...'

I guess we got the wrong video up there!
A huh A huh A huh...

"I guess we got the wrong video up there!
A huh A huh A huh...

Posted by Eddie"

No, one's attention span just has to be longer than 10 seconds.

No, one's attention span just has to be longer than 10 seconds.

Posted by SanAntonioRogue


What?!!?

LOL!

Any asshole can cutNPaste video.

"What?!!?

LOL!

Any asshole can cutNPaste video."


What the hell are you talking about?

"Oh, and the Surge is working, just ask John Murtha (I love reminding leftwingnuts of that little factoid)"

Yes, and I love pointing out that you rightwingnuts seem to miss the entire second part of his sentence and pretend that "the surge is working" is all he said.

"That's because jumping to conclusions, as oft as the left is fond of pointing out, can lead to mistakes."

Nobody jumped to any conclusions, Zu. The video was humorous because of how he stuttered and stammered through his response so don't be such a drama queen.

Sanan,

The surge is working and Rove is out of the administration. You should be happy.

You are happy that the surge is working.... Aren't you?

Nobody jumped to any conclusions, Zu. The video was humorous because of how he stuttered and stammered through his response so don't be such a drama queen.

Posted by SanAntonioRogue


Someone replaced the video.

You really hate this guy, don't you?

I still have no idea what you're talking about. No one replaced anything.

You click on the article link at the top of this thread and it takes you to the Raw Story page. The video is at the bottom of the short article. You click on the video and it begins to play.

The part where Rove addresses the question about McClellan's statement on the Plame affair is at about 44 seconds in.

"You are happy that the surge is working.... Aren't you?"

Yes, I am and I posted on that subject on the appropriate thread earlier today..

Of course you do remember Gen. Petraeus stating that the military component of the surge was only 20% of what would be required to succeed. The political and diplomatic component is 80%.

So yes, I'm happy that the military aspect of the surge is succeeding. Unfortunately, the political and diplomatic aspect is not, so far.

The part where Rove addresses the question about McClellan's statement on the Plame affair is at about 44 seconds in.

Posted by SanAntonioRogue


Hint: The question was not asked in the video.

I'm not defending the guy...

I'm making fun of you.

you are making something out of absolutely nothing.

But, whatever makes you happy.


Again... Do something constructive. Support Ron Paul!


Who do you support in the upcoming 2008 election?

"Hint: The question was not asked in the video."

The question was paraphrased by the reporter in the voice-over just before the footage of Rove's response.

I posted the original article because I thought Rove's fumbling answer was humorous. You seem to be the one making WAY too much of it. Or maybe just trying to cover that you were incorrect in your initial post, I don't know.

Oh, and Obama.

"Hint: The question was not asked in the video."

The question was paraphrased by the reporter in the voice-over just before the footage of Rove's response.


Really?

Ok, you thought it was humorous. That's ok.

Obama? What about him?

You want to put him up against Paul?

Obama is more electable, but Paul will make a better President. Obama can only run. Can you inamgine if he won?

Obama: "What the fuck do I do now?!!?"

Also Eddie, keep in mind that this is the same Karl Rove who sat on TV a couple of nights ago and flatly stated that the administration was rushed into the war in Iraq by the Democrats in Congress.

Ummmmm Zulu there were FOUR people who leaked Valerie Plames Name. Armitage Rove Libby and Fleisher. NOT just armitage. Do try again.

Larry Mohr

"You want to put him up against Paul?"

There are a lot of things I like about Ron Paul. I lean toward libertarian on some issues. IMO it wouldn't be the end of the world if he were elected.

"You want to put him up against Paul?"

There are a lot of things I like about Ron Paul. I lean toward libertarian on some issues. IMO it wouldn't be the end of the world if he were elected.

Posted by SanAntonioRogue


Cool!

I urge you to focus on that then. Forget Rove, he's a clown.

Rove's a traitor and a liar. He should be rotting in jail and so should Scooter.

That's because jumping to conclusions, as oft as the left is fond of pointing out, can lead to mistakes.

Remember, the guy you leftwing nuts should be mad at is Richard Armitage.

Just because that doesn't fit in with your agenda is your problem, not Karl Rove's.

Oh, and the Surge is working, just ask John Murtha (I love reminding leftwingnuts of that little factoid)

Posted by zulu at 2007-11-30 11:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

Jumping to conclusions can lead to mistakes?

Do you mean mistakes like these:

'Saddam was part of 911'

'Saddam has Weapons of Mass Destruction'

'The air at ground zero is healthy'

'Bin Laden is a priority , right before he wasn't'

I love reminding republicunts of these little FACTS.

You are happy that the surge is working.... Aren't you?

Posted by Eddie at 2007-11-30 11:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

You would rather have ALL our troops back home safe, right?

Tadowe:
You an call Dems socialists/communists/nazis all you want...but lying continuously like your idol Rove doesn't make your lies any more true than it did his.

Oh yeah...your pathetic attempts at deflection don't work any better than his, either.

Valerie Wilson was just another government employee doing her best to serve the country who say and questioned the acts imposed from the Dubya Cheney cabal, long before they realized that it was a cabal. Unfortunately, the cabal insiders are MORE entrenched into the national security and national policy making structure than ever!

DEM of GOP, the next POTUS will inherit a DOD and military that is cowed about whistle-blowing and afraid to question expansive military policies, and that is also cowed to not question the wisdom of the more "realist" and more militarist officers and civilians. The role of the military-industrial complex is way out of bounds with what was projected by any administration since the age of railroad trusts.

Townie...that's why I occasionally believe someone like Kucinich being elected might have a equalibrical effect and could, at least, start the process of restoring some semblance of balance to those agencies and beyond.

But then again, when I wear the Official Buffalo Bob Tin Foil hat that he sent me (they're all the rage), I get the idea that the people you were speaking about only answer to the (stops...lowers voice while looking over his shoulder) shadow government; and whoever is sitting behind the desk at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. is not much more than a mannequin in the front window the Great American Department Store.