Well this certainly blew up into epic proportions in no time flat! The Prince of Darkness strikes again and as usual leaves no fingerprints or clues for skeptical minds to follow-up on.

It seems to me that both the Clinton and Obama camps should have spoken directly to each other in an attempt to difuse such tit-for-tat bickering through the press. But in no way should Obama have let this subject just sit and fester while allowing the Clinton camp to rest smuggly in the catbird's seat waiting for an opportune time to drop a bombshell.

The fact is in today's hyper-heated political environment, such a rumor isn't just plausible, its almost expected from the Machine that vows to leave no threat unanswered from its critics.

Tony-while it IS somewhat plausible-isn't it MORE likely to be something "planted" by right-wing shill "Novakula"-for just such purpose?
I could easily believe he had his own minions leak something to Hillary's camp-knowing she wouldn't use it-then write-up this whole bullshit hit piece.

In all honesty-it's the reason I don't watch the Sunday "talking heads"-or even read their columns anymore.
I got tired of the taste and smell of straw a long time ago. And-I refuse to tilt at windmills-I'm gettin' a bit long in the tooth for that.

To me it's very simple.
I would like the rethuglicunt party to spend the next several DECADES lost in the wilderness-no where even NEAR the "big chair"-they don't deserve to be anywhere else.
If that ends up meaning voting for a Dem-rather than a rethug or rethug light(looneytarian)-so be it.
Naturally-I would prefer to be voting FOR someone I can believe in. But-with everything that's been pulled-I no longer trust "cults of personality". As I am now-no WAY would I vote for JFK-even tho I would have as a young man.

I guess it was that "permanent Republican Majority"-the rethugs were soooo hot after-it offended me personally-and I'm not one that's quick to forgive when something is THAT offensive to me.

"It seems to me that both the Clinton and Obama camps should have spoken directly to each other in an attempt to difuse such tit-for-tat bickering through the press."

Yeah right. You can't see the Clinton campaign portraying that as Obama privately asking her to keep the information under wraps?

How is Novak related to Rove ?

A Republican-leaning journalist

calling Novak Republican leaning is like saying Falwell was areligious.

If I were Hillary Clinton I would have fired Howard Wolfson three times by now.

Mr. Novak is one of the most obnoxious, sleazy, and repulsive excuses for a human being, who happens to write a newspaper column.

But stop and think. What could possibly depict a candidate in such a negative sense that it would adversely affect his support. What is it?

Serial killer? Serial child molestor? Anything less should be of little or no consequence, and even either of those two undertakings could be excused since the supported candidate would be viewed as a savior, whose election was needed to "save the country," a concern which overrode all others.

We already have a lot of negative information concerning Mr. Obama.

1. He is of Islamic origin.
2. He is a member of a racist black separatist church.
3. He was involved in a corrupt land deal whereby his home property lot size was augmented by an adjacent parcel that he uses that was provided by someone politically indebted to him.
4. He is an acknowledged hard drug user over an extended period of time, which use has undoubtedly negatively affected his mentality and will subject him to flashbacks.

What kind of sex scandal could he be involved in that in anyway could approach the machinations of the erotic biography of the Clintons? That subject would seem excluded.

It seems that the preliminary leak of the idea that there is information presenting Mr. Obama as particularly reprehensible (even for a politician) is intneded to make "the bombshell" more powerful when the nature of his miscreant conduct is released. If anyone expects Ms Hillary to be circumspect and decline to needlessly harm an opponent, don't hold your breath waiting for confirmation of that belief.

Is there any conjecture concerning the type of alleged misdeeds that will be charged to Mr. Obama. Is he a Muslim with four wives? What? Is it polygamy?

Is Mr. Obama a philanderer? How could that besmirch his reputation compared to Mr. Clinton's escapades?

Is he on the take? Well, the Clintons provide him with a wide range of acceptable behavior there.

Well, we'll need to wait and see. If Mr. Obama creates a true race, there will be allegations, some probably real and some undoubtedly manufactured.

Let the games continue.

Politics doesn't have much to do with governance...
it's a nasty never ending game of gotcha.

Nanananana....na..nanana....na
.....

Some pundits are talking as if a Democrat will occupy the White House after Dubya.

Not so fast........

The dinner has not started yet.....

Novak Claims Clinton Has Dirt on Obama

I'm sure that Obama has plenty of dirt on Hillary too.
Let the games begin.

How is Novak related to Rove ?

They've been sucking each other off for 20 years so one would expect some seminal (or semen-al) transference.

Novak Claims Clinton Has Dirt on Obama

Next Hillary will be sinisterly telling Obama she knows where his children go to school.

Next Hillary will be sinisterly telling Obama she knows where his children go to school.

POSTED BY BOWA


LOL

Yea, Hillary's gonna send Bernie Kerik.

I'm shocked to hear that Bill Clinton, that pillar of decency, would be involved in the 'politics of personal destruction.'

The funny thing is hw desperate the Left is to get Cliton back in the White House -- even if it's only a proxy. Hillary! is completely unqualified, but I saw Bill on the news tonight, stumping hard in New Hampshire.

You're like those pathetic girls who keep thinking the boyfriend will come back to her.

Anyone like VERN who worships an idiot like Bush and thinks HE was qualifed to become president needs to have his head examined.

"Obama accused Clinton of "Swift boat' politics" and vowed he will not be intimidated"

Based on hearsay from Robert "Rove's Boy" Novak??

I know the guy is a rookie at this kind of campaigning, and I understand he wants to lash out at Clinton any chance he gets, but seriously, how stupid do you have to be to A) believe Novak or B) lash out at your opponent with no evidence, especially when you were just booed on stage for doing so??

Unless of course, HE knows to what the Prince of Darkness refers?


Novak and Rove must be laughing their asses off.

I'm sure that Obama has plenty of dirt on Hillary too.


How very, very sad that the American electoral process has fallen to this level. To think that our leaders are elected by their capability to throw mud and not with on the issues.

No wonder Congress and the President have record low approval ratings.

Are there no men an women of integrity left in this country anymore?

Are there no men an women of integrity left in this country anymore?...

From the looks of things, apparently not.

There is always the two of you.....

"The dual objective of the Obama claim is clear.

First, he wants to try to tie the clockwork-like Clinton campaign to something sleazy, evoking memories of past accusations against the Clinton machine.

Secondly, the statement is an attempt to try to inoculate Obama against damaging allegations or information that might emerge, which is always a possibility for any candidate."

Obama showing us the new politics of hope, eh?

Sounds more like the old politics of guilt by association.

Sleazy H that is what She is.

Larry Mohr

Hillary Clinton is Preperation H with tobasco Sauce mixed in. She is Caustic.

Larry Mohr

The voice of experience.

Are there no men an women of integrity left in this country anymore?...

- -Goatman

From the looks of things, apparently not.

Posted by CalifChris at 2007-11-17 07:37 PM |

There is always the two of you.....

Posted by Corky at 2007-11-17 07:48 PM | Reply

Okay, just as long as I get to be the President and Goatman will settle for being VP *grin*

whoops on the excessive "blockquote" -- y'all will just have to get stronger glasses

No Corky I haven't had the unfortunate pleasure of Hillary. THANK GOD TOO.

Larry Mohr

Sounds more like the old politics of guilt by association.

Posted by Corky at 2007-11-17 07:50 PM

Sleaze will always be a byproduct of politics, and no one is immune from it.

Besides, if Hillary had something on Obama it would have been leaked immediately to get the heat off of her.

IMO Novak has something on Obama, and wants to make it look like Hillary or someone in her camp will be responsible for leaking it.

=IMO Novak has something on Obama, and wants to make it look like Hillary or someone in her camp will be responsible for leaking it.


Yes, very ..... Plamish, don't you think?

Karl's prints are all over this one.

And he found the perfect patsy, a rookie national campaigner, to help pull a dirty trick on both Dems.

Smart, eh?

"Karl's Revenge!!!


Sounds like a new spicy burrito from Taco Smell.

Obama gets even close to Hil in the polls or if he beats her in Iowa she will have him killed. You can take that one to the bank. "Oh my god the evil white seperatists killed Barak, God save us all, vote for Hillary" Do not think for one second that this woman will allow anyone, ANYONE to get in her way. This plan was hatched many moons ago when she and Bill began their unholy alliance, she will not allow anyone ANYONE to interfer with that plan, she WILL be crowned Queen Hillary and anyone who thinks differently will end up committing suicide in the park.

Sean?

Is that you?

I've figured out the secret dirt they've got on Obama - he's black.

Bob Novak with the scoop again!

BTW, Hillary's got Rupert Murdoch's pecker in her pocket (to borrow LBJ's phrase), which is partly why she's got the big lead and loads of cash, but will it (Fox?) last?

Mr.Obama should bring up the Arkansas Prison "Poisoned Blood Scandal" where then governor Bill Clinton and Hilliary made lots of money off of the selling of prisoner's blood that was infected by HIV and Hep C etc. - this poisoned blood killed and maimed thousands of people in the USA,Europe and Canada.The Clintons are presently being sued over this avoidable tragedy (Google it for more info!) Hilliary was as much in the know about this poisoned blood as Gov.Bill was! What would her answers be if she was questioned???

BOB NOVAK is a pimp for the Republican Party and the Clinton team has got it right this is attempt of the Republicians to get in on the actions on the democratic side. Surprise that Obama camp fell for this crap!!!!!!!!

BOB NOVAK is a pimp for the Republican Party and the Clinton team has got it right this is attempt of the Republicians to get in on the actions on the democratic side. Surprise that Obama camp fell for this crap!!!!!!!!

That's why he's the root of the Plame affair, huh celisary? With friends like that . . .

Also, it's the primaries. If Novak was a republican pimp, he'd be going after the one for the republicans to beat -- Hillary. He wouldn't throw out dirt on Obama.

"A whole lot of knee jerking goin' on!"

he'd be going after the one for the republicans to beat -- Hillary. He wouldn't throw out dirt on Obama.

Unless he thought Hillary would be easier to beat then Obama. Could a republican think that far ahead?

Let me guess:

Novak is going to report in his column that Obama's wife is a CIA agent.

Unless he thought Hillary would be easier to beat then Obama. Could a republican think that far ahead?

Hillary will be the one to beat.

Novak's such a pompous ass. One of the Iraq War chief opponenets, one who couldn't have been more wrong, still has a job like Bill Krystal, George Bush, and Dick Cheney (who gave every reason invading wasn't a good idea until he stood to make hundreds of millions).

"while it IS somewhat plausible-isn't it MORE likely to be something "planted" by right-wing shill "Novakula"-for just such purpose?"

I see no reason to assume Novak is the culprit here. Hillarious Rotten Klinton is quite capable of generating her own lies. Its safe to say she's one of the biggest liars in recent American history, and she's married to another.

Of course, there is the possibility this story from Novak is factually accurate. Time will presumably tell.

"4. He is an acknowledged hard drug user over an extended period of time, which use has undoubtedly negatively affected his mentality and will subject him to flashbacks."

Hey, grandpa, in case you hadn't heard, 'flashbacks' are almost entirely mythical (and to the very small extent they actually exist, are associated almost exclusively with extensive LSD use, not marijuana use and a few instances of having tried cocaine, as is the case with Obama). If everyone who ever used illegal drugs is going to be barred from the Presidency, then we're going go to have to impeach Bush, and we should have impeached Clinton (again), and are probably going to have to impeach nine out of the next ten Presidents.

Also, quit making up stupid crap.

FYI, Barack Obama's drug use was virtually confined to marijuana. George Washington smoked marijuana, and probably all of our Presidents, up to at least Grover Cleveland or so, consumed it in one form or another, as prior to aspirin being patented in the 1860s, it was the principal remedy employed for headache relief.

Knowledge of history can be our friend.

How could anybody believe this crap. It's got Karl Rove's fingerprints all over it.

Divide and conquer is Rove's stock in trade.

I'd like to see Obama and Hillary hold a joint press conference about this "rumor" and put that pissant Rove in his place.

TWIN

Ya, it is reminicent of Rove's tactic in Texas of having his buddy at the FBI announce 'an investigation' a week before the election to throw it. Not a single charge was ever filed on a single Dem candidate it was done to either.

AU

The examples of Rove's skulduggery would fill volumes.

If Obama wasn't so inexperienced he'd recognize a trap when he saw one.

AU

This what scares me about electing Obama.

His inexperience would help the neo-cons set themselves up to take control again in 2012.

This is no time for an experiment.

Obama is older than Bill Clinton was at this point. Older than JFK too.

I think a wise and reasoned mind, coupled with the best and the brightest minds around him and he'd be a great president.

I also think the NeoCons are toast forever from this point on.....

America isn't stupid. 2006 proved that. I don't think after the debacle in Florida in 2000, and Bush's presidency, America will ever again elect anyone even resembling a NeoCon.

AU

I also think the NeoCons are toast forever from this point on

Don't count on it AU . . . the neo cons aren't.

I've held hundreds of seminars and talked to thousands of people.

It always amazes me how many people form their opinions from 30 second sound bites and stories in the National Enquirer, Star and Globe.

It's not that they're stupid . . . it's just that they don't understand the dark underpinnings that permeate the neo-con agenda.

I worry about voters who are not computer literate and can't fact check like we do.

I talk to these people, mostly senior citizens and condo dwellers, until I'm blue in the face.

Hopefully I've made a difference. Hopefully.

Novak is a sleazy Republican bagman with ties to the Swiftboaters, FOX "News" and the outing of Valerie Plame to help Scooter, Cheney, Rove and Bush escape justice for their Iraq War WMD lies. Why anybody takes anything this pathetic old fart says seriously is beyond me.

He's nearly 77 years old and as Shakespeare said in Sonnet 73 "in him we see the glowing of such fire as on the ashes of his youth doth lie" as he struggles for relevance and is used as a shill.

I just love this shit......

NO really....I mean it....

I can read you socialist like the back of my hand.
as soon as I read the first line or two I said to myself...

"SELF, one of these whinny, crying liberal bastards is going to blame this on that vast right wing conspiracy"

and damn it if I wasnt right with the SECOND POST....



and HOW IRONIC>......as I was typing this, clinton just said on the debate about how some of thier gripping was just like the republicans and then obama accused the others of being like rommny and rudy...

what a bunch of trash......

is there really ANYONE HERE who doesnt think that the bitch has shit ON EVERY CANDIDATE THERE???????

come on......MOVE INTO THE REAL WORLD of either of the clintons running against anyone.....
mother teresa would be talked about as a "republican shill' if it suited clinton's purpose........

"I just love this shit......"

Speaking of shit:

You claimed that

and heree is something else that makes the left look silly....

WHY IN THE FUCK is a writer who might be conservative a 'republican shill' and writers who support socialism by supporting any dem.....they arent democrat shills.......

I guess your blind hate just cant see how silly that makes you look......

BUT PLEASE DONT STOP.....

it makes my volunteer work for the next president of the US......a republican, of course,...a whole lot easier.......

Speaking of looking silly, bullshitlover2:

You claimed that

So, which is it, bullshitlover2? 1, 2 or 3, or you just talking out of your ass again?

Hans

So, which is it, bullshitlover2? 1, 2 or 3, or you just talking out of your ass again?

Hans


actually I am scratching my ass and what Ive got on the end of my finger reminds me of reading some of your nonsense .........

how about situation 4.......IF A DEM is elected, we will BE LUCKY if they keep the tax rate at 50 %....

and as always, you take what I say and bend it to whatever nonsense you want to come up with that day...

I dont know how you can talk about bush when we were talking about a post bush administration....

"and as always, you take what I say and bend it to whatever nonsense you want to come up with that day..."

Bullshitlover2, you were the one who said:

BL2,

This isn't about Hillary or Obama or anything much except the standard Rethuglican operation of spreading disinformation about their opponents and using a pethetic old fart to do it.

Why do they do it? Partly because they can't help themselves, it's in their DNA. Partly because they have nothing substantive themselves to offer. Come January '09 they'll be back in opposition nationally where they belong. Then they can indulge themselves even more in what they ARE good at. Whining about how Democarts are turning American into some kind of pantywaisted(one of their favorite words) dystopia and how much better things would be on their watch.

Eight years of Skippy, Cheney, Gonzo, Frist and DeLay have given the lie to that.

"and as always, you take what I say and bend it..."

Hans bent nothing. He simply asked you to back up an incorrect claim you made, one which was wildly off the mark.

blue.....with what respect I can muster..... I will not read your post after reading this sentence because nothing else you say will make one little bit of difference because you give your point of view with this one line......
so you see, I dont agree with the premise and thus, dont need to even read the rest...

thanks for playing with me and whats his name though..........




HANS.....okay then lets change it.....because I was talking about a socialists liberal democrat president......

with dems in power......and I say it that way since they have been in the majority and the approval rating has been lower than in our history.......

now get off my ass and go do something more constructive..........

EXCEPT dan....that hans and I were talking about two different things regardless of what little comment he produces........I was talking about a dem in the white house and in majority.......and if it didnt come out that way, then I am telling you and whatshisname......that is what I was referring to...........and make no mistake......50 per cent tax rate is A MINIMUM for dems if that occurs....

"actually I am scratching my ass and what Ive got on the end of my finger reminds me of reading some of your nonsense"

No one taught you how to wipe?

That's disgusting.

"HANS.....okay then lets change it....."

Change it?

BL2, just retract your comment (that you were just talking out of your ass):

sorry dan but I didnt paste the copy and paste of your sentence that puts me off of any debate...

so here is the one....



standard Rethuglican operation of spreading disinformation about their opponents and using a pethetic old fart to do it.

oh SHIT I made a clerical error.....I guess I had better go and slash my wrists.......

"I was talking about a dem in the white house and in majority.......and if it didnt come out that way, then I am telling you and whatshisname......that is what I was referring to..........."

Proving yourself a liar, bullshitlover2, is not very "constructive."

You weren't talking about a "dem in the white house," your comment:

"and make no mistake......50 per cent tax rate is A MINIMUM for dems if that occurs...."

No, it's not. Even if Rangel's floated 4% surcharge becomes a reality, the top rate is still below 40%. And dividends and LTCG would be a max of 19%. Take your own advice: make no mistake.

no lisa....whats disgusting is people like shit for brains hans who cant understand me when I tell him that regardless of what I Typed about congress, I was referring to a dem congress with a dem president.....

and of course the image I drew was supposed to be gross,.........

thats what you get when you play with the men on this site...........yuk yuk.


( and of course it was a figure of speech.....I wasnt really.........maybe later......)

Scratching one's ass without washing afterwards is what backwoods hicks do. Hmmmmmmmmm Maybe I am on to something here.

Larry Mohr

"I was referring to a dem congress with a dem president....."

Liar.

But since you're too stupid to click on the link I'll reproduce your entire comment and let you explain where in it you spoke about the future"

"oh SHIT I made a clerical error..."

That's not a clerical error; you were trying to make a point. Own up to it, correct it, and move on.

I'm off to the matinee. Gawd bless us, everyone....

GOD DAMMIT HANS will you get your ass out of your head and read something .......I just told you what I WAS TALKING about and I dont give a rats ass what thread it was on.......


and DONT TELL ME what I was thinking..
I am telling you now.....I was referring to a dem congress and white house.....now try and make a comment about the issue and not me.

please DAN......thats a figure during the election year........much lower than what I THINK they would impose upon all of us.......

"I was referring to a dem congress and white house....."

Correction: a fucking Liar.

But, once again, since you're too stupid to click on the link I'll reproduce your entire comment and let you explain where in it you spoke about the future:

What's the matter, bullshitlover2?

Are you just too stupid, or too bullheaded, to admit you were just talking out of your ass when you claimed that taxes are now over 50% because of "dems in congress"?

"GOD DAMMIT HANS will you get your ass out of your head and read something "

I did. And so did everyone else who read your original words. It doesn't help to insult the intelligence of everyone here with your attempts at revising them.

Own your own words. Take some responsibility, bullshitlover2.

Taxes are not "back up over 50% because of dems in congress, are they?

Take some responsibility, bullshitlover2.

Hans

"you have to keep coming after the incomplete sentence I used on another thread........."

Tell me, liar, what is incomplete about this:

"but you see this is one of those comments meant to get lisa all riled up and upset"

Sweetie, one thing you still haven't learned yet is that I love the Pack...win OR lose. It makes no difference. See...that's the way true fans feel.

one more and last time hans.......

I will take responsibility for one thing.......I should have been specific about my point...regardless of what I left out or put in......the point I wanted to make was this.
with a dem congress and a dem in the white house.....
we will all be lucky to get away with only giving away HALF of our earnings.......

so you just go on and on and on with your little rants because I understand.....you KNOW I AM RIGHT On that point but rather than admit that....you jumped on my leaving out the dem in white house part....
I have been trying to get that across......I KNOW that they couldnt now because we have a REPUBLICAN In the white house.
I dont know how I could explain it further, so I wont.......

LISA.......good for you......only thing I would say is that since they are PROS,,,,,winning is the only thing......but good for you anyway.......I feel the same way about the texans.....of course this SHOULDNT BE THE FIRST TIME that bush has run in reliant stadium....he should have a texan uniform on and running......but thats water under the bridge.....

"the point I wanted to make was this.
with a dem congress and a dem in the white house....."

Bullshit, you obvious liar.

Taxes are not "back up over 50% because of dems in congress", are they?

Those are your exact words.

Take some responsibility, bullshitlover2.

Hans

"...actually read what I have said because its obvious you havent."

Oh, I have, bullshitlover2:

"please DAN......thats a figure during the election year..."

WTF?!?

It's just crap you made up, got cornered regarding, and now refuse to own up to, either due to your ignorance or your overuse of hyperbole.

It's not "a figure during the election year...". It's a figure you made up.

sure dan ........whatever you say...you and dickhead are the smartest people this side of hillary clinton.........so whatever the fuck you want to say.........thats okay with me...

all I know is that if there is a dem in the white house and a dem congress and they bring out national health care and all of the other liberal boondoggles.......taxes will be substantionaly higher and the 50 % area could be on the low side.......



and to the subject of the thread.....

noone has said anything about whether they
think hillary has something on obama.

HEY DO you think its from something from those FOUR HUNDRED FBI FILES found in the white house during the blowjob billy "SEXARAMA" administration?

"all I know is that if there is a dem in the white house and a dem congress and they bring out national health care and all of the other liberal boondoggles.......taxes will be substantionaly higher and the 50 % area could be on the low side......."

Tell us why, bullshitlover2, you're unwilling to take ownership of (and responsibility for) your own words:

"sure dan ........whatever you say..."

Why the fuck are you holding on to an untenable position? You weren't talking about the future, and you weren't talking about the addition of national health care and other "liberal boondoggles". You were stating taxes are "back up over 50% because of dems in congress". That's nowhere near the truth, and you got caught throwing feces against the wall.

Grow a pair and correct yourself.

First saw this on Drudge Report and all I got to say is:

Drudge Soul(ed) Out!

He is now supporting Hillary Clinton and that's the reason he left radio.

Hillary has always said that the internet should be restricted and that as president she would do so. Drudge made $4 million last year and jumped the bandwagon to keep his website going if Clinton wins!

"the blowjob billy "SEXARAMA" administration"

BLT, every time you post, I like the idea of another Clinton Presidency more and more.

Seriously, though, what happened to you to make you so repressed? Sure, he was a asshole for cheating on his wife, but why take it out on blowjobs?

jennifer fredrick I believe was her name......

BONG! Wrong. Try Juanita Broderick.

accused clinton of raping her

Two decades prior to her 1998 statement.

Which was a year after she made a sworn statement (her only sworn testimony) to Paul Jones's lawyers saying, "During the 1992 Presidential campaign there were unfounded rumors and stories circulated that Mr. Clinton had made unwelcome sexual advances toward me in the late seventies. ... These allegations are untrue ...."

and was there a trial

Without a sworn complaint?

or even any newspapers investigating it

Thoroughly covered.

Next time, please do try not to be such a dumbass.

So Hillary's camp has 'secrets' about Obama. I think it should be released along with records of the Clintons. This will show that Hillary is playing fair.

Otherwise the noise of the Clintons hiding something about themselves will get louder by January 2008.

Next time, please do try not to be such a dumbass.



Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2007-11-19 08:35 AM


the details you mention make no difference......while her name is no detail but you certainly seem to have the 'put aside' down pat.....

my comment stands......it could have been 50 years later and if he had an R after his name, the nonsense would still have a life.....but with clinton, it continues even with you today to be swept under the rug....

and why? because this sort of thing happened time after time after time with this scumbag......and when there are THAT many allegations, are you telling me that there was NEVER anything to them.
are can we ask some arkansas state troopers for their take on it?

and from now on I am going to try and ignore all of the little typical liberal name calling.
since its so frequent and many times the focal point of any argument from a socialist, its hard to keep up with who is saying what?

"the comment about taxes was made concerning IF dems had both congress and the white house..."

That's a lie. Pretend all you want, there was no IF in that sentence.

"no matter how it came out on the thread...."

Yeah..........riiiiiiiiiiiiiig ht. It somehow came out different than you typed it.

"from now on I am going to try and ignore all of the little typical liberal name calling."

This, in the same post in which he calls Clinton a scumbag.

Bush's Lover

"The phrase "Teflon president" was coined in 1983[1] by Patricia Schroeder, then a Democratic Congresswoman from Colorado, who said of then-President Reagan,

" After carefully watching Ronald Reagan, I can see he's attempting a great breakthrough in political technology. He has been perfecting the Teflon-coated presidency. He sees to it that nothing sticks to him. He is responsible for nothing.[1]"

This has been your History Moment for today.

That's a lie. Pretend all you want, there was no IF in that sentence.


"no matter how it came out on the thread...."


Yeah..........riiiiiiiiiiiiiig ht. It somehow came out different than you typed it.

Posted by Danforth at 2007-11-19 10:14 AM | Reply | Flag


dan....you are right.....which is what I have said all along to hans.....just once try and understand and then explain it to hans......I KNOW that its not 50 percent and couldnt be with bush in office..
it was a mistake not to clarify that I was talking that IF A DEM WERE ELECTED TO THE WHITE HOUSE..

CAN ANYONE HELP ME TO EXPLAIN IT FURTHER????????


and of course I was talking about people who call me names or people here on the retort.......


corky......please.......maybe you can explain it to dan and hans......although I AM SURE THAT THEY know exactly what I am talking about, but its anything to keep it going to bash and attack us for something beside the issue.....so I understand thier tactics...

but IF ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO GET IN ON IT>......

I MADE A MISTAKE AND SHOULD HAVE SAID IF A DEM IS ELECTED TO THE WHITE HOUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
we taxpayers would be lucky to send ONLY half of what we earn........

now can we move on?
or will each of you not get it.......that I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING..........

Wow, BL2 got OWNED. If there's one thing I've learned from these threads, it's that you shouldn't stick your neck out unless you're ready to lose your head.

There are still people out there who deal in facts, and not as much bullshit as BL2 does. I can always depend on Hans to bring the thunder and shut assholes like BL2 down.

Much fun to watch...

I think the "scandal" was already exposed and Obama even admitted it....yes, he is a distant relative of Dick Cheney...but hey, you can't blame him for his relatives...

thanks for proving me right denton....

as I have said here for some time, when accused of being hard core in responses and not backing down from socialist attacks and being attacked for responsing in kind to profane and personal attacks.

that you cant let the liberal see you sweat because all of the talk about being compassionant and diverse progresives is nothing but a load of bullshit.

maybe now we can get to the subject.......

danni......do even YOU believe that clinton has dirt on obama and will use it if she has to????

More gossip--

Like the cheating (Dem) Candidate in the LA Times or Chronicle 10 days ago..and it wasn't Edwards--spending time in CA?? Remember?

Novak is a bit of a gossiper--this deserves the cursory review and then move on...


Murphy

""danni......do even YOU believe that clinton has dirt on obama and will use it if she has to????""

only thing I know for sure is that Novak is a right wing sleaze bay who would say anything to harm Democrats and/or America.

thanks for proving me right denton....

Posted by bushlovertwo

Just how exactly were you proven right? You came to the argument with at the best a typo, and the worst purposefully misleading information, hoping nobody would notice.

And Socialist attacks? Really? What does socialism have anything to do with calling someone out on their bullshit? You only made it worse by refusing to "back down", when all you had to do to save face was recognize you made a mistake and admit it. People do it here all the time.

Everyone here likes dissent, because this place would be boring as hell without it, but don't come in here spewing bullshit, telling us about your stinky fingers, and not expect to get your ass schooled.

when all you had to do to save face was recognize you made a mistake and admit it. People do it here all the time.

that is EXACTLY what I did several times over the period of a couple of days and you would see that if you looked back over the entire bullshit....but why would you? I wouldnt if I were you......but that is EXACTLY what I have done and in the true sense of liberal bullshit....hans will have none of it because he is doing it on purpose to get my goat and he wants me to squeal like a pig.......

thanks for the input though......

the details you mention make no difference

Wrong name for the woman?
BLT: Minor detail, machts nichts.

No criminal complaint ever filed?
BLT: Minor detail, machts nichts.

Only sworn statement (which dismisses the allegation) contradicts unsworn statement in support of the allegations?
BLT: Minor detail, machts nichts.

Why no trial? (Implication: cover-up.) Answer: No compalin.
BLT: Minor detail, machts nichtss.

No coverage? Complete bullshit.
BLT: Minor detail, machts nichts.

Anything else you'd care to add can probably be found where you get most of this stuff: somewhere way up your ass.

Hillary has been recorded saying, "He's got to line up and wait his turn. I certainly have". This will be big news when the rest of the script comes out....she is talking about Obama and the recorded conversation is quite lengthy and turns ugly. Who'd a thunk it.

"He's got to line up and wait his turn. Bob Dole certainly has"

That's what Bob Dole said about Bob Dole in '96.

Novak wouldn't just make a story like this up. A Clinton rep must have contacted him and leaked it to see what kind of reaction Obama would have.

Isn't that like the oldest political trick in the book? One person suggests that their opponent has done something -- and then if they overreact or underreact, people will say whatever it is it must be really bad, and it must be true.

Judith Regan used the same tactic in her lawsuit against News Corp, and now Hillary is doing it to Obama.

"He's got to line up and wait his turn. I certainly have".

Was she talking about Anne Heche before Anne left her husband?

Novak is a pompous ass

-Novak wouldn't just make a story like this up

No, he's too honest, lmfao!!

But Karl would.

"Obama accused Clinton of "Swift boat' politics" and vowed he will not be intimidated"

Based on hearsay from Robert "Rove's Boy" Novak??

I know the guy is a rookie at this kind of campaigning, and I understand he wants to lash out at Clinton any chance he gets, but seriously, how stupid do you have to be to A) believe Novak or B) lash out at your opponent with no evidence, especially when you were just booed on stage for doing so??

Unless of course, HE knows to what the Prince of Darkness refers?


Novak and Rove must be laughing their asses off."
(posted earlier)

"He's got to line up and wait his turn. I certainly have"

Maybe Hillary was thinking that Obama wanted to have sex with Bill.

Surely you could let Obama cut in line, eh Bowa?

I don't do links Corky. You know by now that is your job. But you can unCORK the WHINE now. Roflmao. When the entire script breaks you'll have all the links you will ever want. She was so stupid that she even goes on a racist rant. She was not smart enough to sort out "friends" from those seeking fame. It's not going to be much fun for Corky around here in the coming year.

FF for Bowa.

-I don't do links

No link to your ass where you pulled this nonsense from?

Good thing for us, I guess.

Hillary has been recorded saying, "He's got to line up and wait his turn. I certainly have".

Quoted by whom?

Novak wouldn't just make a story like this up

Double-plus brilliant

"Novak wouldn't just make a story like this up. "

What bullshit.

After Fitzgerald proved Plame was covert, the CIA stated she was covert, and the judge in the Libby trial stated she was covert, Novak was still going on shows and proclaiming Plame was not covert.

Novak has shown the capability to lie whenever convenient for him. Novak's sole concern is Novak, and always has been.

Novak and Rove must be laughing their asses off.

And for what reason would Novak and Rove have for helping Hillary, the clear front-runner?

Wouldn't it be much better to try and take her down a few notches and try to split the democratic party?

if this is really a GOP "dirty trick" then it seems like it would be a more credible narrative to plant a story by Obama's people that they have dirt on Hillary but wouldn't use it because (1) Obama is more believable and (2) when Hillary denies it, no one will believe her.

After Fitzgerald proved Plame was covert, the CIA stated she was covert, and the judge in the Libby trial stated she was covert, Novak was still going on shows and proclaiming Plame was not covert

That is because she wasn't covert under the law. If she had been, Fitz would have been able to prosecute Armitage for outing her. So Novak is correct.

Fuck you Goldstein, I don't give up my sources. But, I guarantee this will NOT be fun for Corky. Let her whining commence.

""That is because she wasn't covert under the law.""

Bull shit. He never said she wasn't cover "under the law....he said she wasn't covert at all. He's a filthy, treasonous liar and you know it.

The term "convoluted logic" has a picture of Bowa next to the definition.

Forget that all the major players involved acknowledge Plame's status. Bowa has figured out the truth!

The Rove-Novak political dirty trick team is 30+ years old and still working.

I hear Mitt is hiring Rove, Bowa
(lmfao!!)

-I don't give up my sources

You have no sources other than your ass.

Bull shit. He never said she wasn't cover "under the law....he said she wasn't covert at all.

he said she wasn't covert and she wasn't. If she had been covert, Fitzgerald would have indicted Armitage for outing her.

Forget that all the major players involved acknowledge Plame's status. Bowa has figured out the truth!

The truth is that if Plame was really covert Fitzgerald would have indicted Armitage for outing her. She wasn't covert, therefore no crime was committed when Armitage outed her.

No, Bowow.

Armitage would have had to "knowingly" out her.

Your witless logic is laughable alongside the facts.

"That is because she wasn't covert under the law. If she had been, Fitz would have been able to prosecute Armitage for outing her."

You're not seriously going to try to trot out that old, tired nag again you?

The truth is that it was the Bush administration that outed a covert CIA agent and many folks like BOWA happily give them a pass. If it had been a crime committed by Clinton we would never hear the end of it.

Fuck you Goldstein, I don't give up my sources

How could you, when there's no "there" there?

Let's see now...

The Grand Jury believed she was covert
The judge stated she was covert
The prosecutor states she was covert

More importantly, General Hayden, the Director of the CIA communicated to the Senate Committee that she was covert.

But I guess if Bowa says she wasn't, then...

"Back to the original topic of this thread.
Posted by BOWA"


FF for that.

Fitzgerald had to prove beyond a reasonable doubt Armitage not only knew Plame was covert

You don't have to prove anything beyond a reasonable doubt to get an indictment. All you have to do is show that you believe that a law has been broken. And Armitage admitted to outing Plame so he could easily have been indicted.

If you are now saying that none of the players involved in the Plame outing knew she was covert when she was outed, then what the hell have you been complaining about all these years?

You can't have it all ways. Either she was covert and knowingly outed by Armitage then others. Which is a crime. or she was not covert and knowingly outed by Armitage then others. Which is not a crime. Or she was outed by Armitage then others who did not know she was covert -- which is also not a crime.

Frankly, from everything I've read -- Plame was not "covert" as defined by the statute. In other words, she was not in a protected status and therefore no crime was committed in outing her -- which is why nobody was indicted for outing her.

"You don't have to prove anything beyond a reasonable doubt to get an indictment."

Of course not, but you don't seek an indictment if you don't think you have the evidence to win the case.

"If you are now saying that none of the players involved in the Plame outing knew she was covert when she was outed,"

Uhm, do you recall Fitz stating that he was unable to get to the bottom of the case and get the evidence he needed because of Scooter's obstruction and perjury? Hence the conviction on multiple counts of same.

"Frankly, from everything I've read -- Plame was not 'covert' as defined by the statute."

Then you haven't read a whole lot. And you still haven't addressed why the Director of the CIA told the Senate that she was.

Bowa, a bit off topic, but do you have any idea when the full clients' list for Giuliani Partners is going to be released?

Frankly, from everything I've read -- Plame was not "covert" as defined by the statute. In other words, she was not in a protected status and therefore no crime was committed in outing her -- which is why nobody was indicted for outing her.

Posted by Bowa at 2007-11-19 12:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

Who cares what you read or heard on FUX Noise.

Why not just take the word of the CIA Head himself?

He says she was covert and FUX Noise said he didn't know what he was talking about.

I wonder who would know more about who is and who isn't covert and what the entails, the head of the CIA or Neil Cavuto?

Of course not, but you don't seek an indictment if you don't think you have the evidence to win the case.

So you are admitting there is no evidence that anyone knew it was illegal to out Valerie Plame?

Uhm, do you recall Fitz stating that he was unable to get to the bottom of the case and get the evidence he needed because of Scooter's obstruction and perjury?

Hmmm... Libby "obstructed" Richard Armitage? That's news to me.

I love all the Lefties "spinning" like crazy here. face it, Fitzgeralsd realized no crime had been comitted inouting Plame so rather then end up with a total bust he went after Libby. He was lucky in that he got a jury who decided the cae not ont eh merits but to teach Cheney and Rove a lesson as one juror suggested. Which is why I believe eventually the conviction will be turned over on appeal.

"Armitage voluntarily went to the prosecuter when he found out what had happened."

He has also since publicly apologized to the Wilson's.

"I love all the Lefties "spinning" like crazy here."

2nd FF.

"Hmmm... Libby "obstructed" Richard Armitage?"'

Why are you having so much trouble comprehending the portion of the statute that says the outing must be knowingly and intentional. Armitage was not prosecuted because he likely did not know she was covert. The same cannot be said of the other players.

PS Bowa - you still haven't explained to us why your opinion of her covert status is more valid than General Hayden's.

Bowa, a bit off topic, but do you have any idea when the full clients' list for Giuliani Partners is going to be released?

Is he required by law to do so?

is there really ANYONE HERE who doesnt think that the bitch has shit ON EVERY CANDIDATE THERE???????

come on......MOVE INTO THE REAL WORLD of either of the clintons running against anyone.....
mother teresa would be talked about as a "republican shill' if it suited clinton's purpose........

Posted by bushlovertwo at 2007-11-18 11:33 AM | Reply | Flag:

Well, neither she, nor her campaign have called any of her fellow party candidates a 'traitor' or brought up the fact they had a 'black child'.

-Why are you having so much trouble comprehending the portion of the statute that says the outing must be knowingly and intentional. Armitage was not prosecuted because he likely did not know she was covert. The same cannot be said of the other players.

Bowa doesn't feel the need to back up his inanity with facts, SA.

His whole world would fall apart were that the case.

" Fitzgeralsd(sic) realized no crime had been comitted(sic) inouting(sic) Plame so rather then end up with a total bust he went after Libby."

Wow...there's some serious revisionist history there. How can anyone can suggest no crime was committed, when one of the four felonies Libby was convicted on was obstruction of justice?!?

""Hmmm... Libby "obstructed" Richard Armitage?"

No.

But, just to see how tethered you are to reality: for whom, exactly, do you believe Libby was obstructing?

PS Bowa - you still haven't explained to us why your opinion of her covert status is more valid than General Hayden's.

I love how people who think Gen. Petraous is a liar hold Gen. Hayden's opinion as sacrosanct.

Anyway, Hayden never said she was "covert" he said she was "undercover" and had been misquoted by Henry Waxman.

The distinction is important because the term "undercover" is a status without a statute to protect it.

"I love how people who think Gen. Petraous is a liar hold Gen. Hayden's opinion as sacrosanct."

That makes no sense whatsoever. Quel surprise.

"Anyway, Hayden never said she was "covert" he said she was "undercover" and had been misquoted by Henry Waxman."

Link?

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

The one and only source for General Hayden's supposed statement is...

Tah Dah!

BOB NOVAK!

What a perfect circle jerk you have manufactured Bowa!

3rd FF for you.

What a perfect circle jerk you have manufactured Bowa!

The circle jerk is the hearsay created by Waxman and Novak who are both only reporting on what Hayden supposedly said. Waxman said that hayden used the word "covert" and Novak says Hayden said he used the word "undercover" -- but nowhere does Hayden say definitively what he said.

Novak says a man in full military uniform, replete with medals came up and crouched at his feet and imparted this little gem.

Right, the Director of the CIA is going to make a statement about a political hot potato like that to the reporter at the center of the firestorm.

Credible.

"The point is that Plame was not covert under the statute..."

From your own link:

"The CIA asked the Tribune not to publish her name BECAUSE SHE IS A COVERT OPERATIVE, and the newspaper agreed. But unbeknown to the CIA, her affiliation and those of hundreds of men and women like her have somehow become a matter of public record, thanks to the Internet."

So now that you have shot down your basic premise, what now?

As to whether her employment was widely known, that seems to be a debatable point. However, I do appreciate your admission that she was indeed covert.

1) is there really ANYONE HERE who doesnt think that the bitch has shit ON EVERY CANDIDATE THERE???????

Yes..... That Rudy is one nasty BITCH....


2) come on......MOVE INTO THE REAL WORLD

The real world...... Oh you must be talking about the one where Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. Where we would be greeted as liberators. Where the war would pay for itself.
Anyone who voted for BUSH in 2004 has proven themselves to be a terrible judge of character.

"The point is that Plame was not covert under the statute and therefore no crime was committed by outing her -- no matter how much the democrats try to spin it otherwise."

And if you repeat it enough times, if you can have the last word in a discussion you actually think it changes the reality that they outed a covert CIA agents and basicly committed treason.
But hey, you'll add another post and then believe you won an argument, that you convinced anyone except your self.

Hillary needs this publicity like she needs a third nut.

"And if you repeat it enough times..."

I don't think he'll be doing that anymore Danni, since his 1:55 post where he cited an article to back up his silly contentions that SPECIFICALLY states that the CIA told the Chicago Trib that she was covert and asked them not to publish her name.

He hasn't been back since... poor thing.

But hey, you'll add another post and then believe you won an argument, that you convinced anyone except your self.

Oh that's OK Danni, there are millions and millions of people who agree with me in this country. I'm not here to change hearts and minds -- but only to present what I believe about the issues of the day. If people disagree with me -- well that's their problem not mine. I can't help it if they want to remain delusional. And anyone who watched the democrats debate the other night knows that there are millions of Democrats who are living in complete denial about the world we live in.

FF WisGod

"I can't help it if they want to remain delusional."

This from the guy who claims Plame wasn't covert, despite the court's findings, the judge's statements, and statements & requests from the CIA regarding her covert status.

Delusional, indeed.

Novak has no probelm outing a high level CIA agent, yet doesn't print his alleged 'dirt'.

What a tool !

DOC

Also, besides using that NAFTA Superhighway (that starts now in Texas) as a toll road charging money every time Americans want to use it, there's more salt in the wound because Americans have ALREADY PAID for good portions of that highway with their U.S. tax dollars yet Bush is going to lease it to those foreign owners from Spain for decades.

Just another example of Bush selling off our country bit by bit to every foreign corporation who wants to buy another chunk of America.

This is What Barack Obama Should Tell Bob Novak: "Put Up or STFU!"

What a difference a day makes ... twenty-four little hours and apparently no lessons learned by the spinmeisters at the Barack Obama campaign. Only hours after his none-too-impressive performance in Las Vegas--that was when the Democratic presidential candidate was loudly booed after comparing a key policy difference with Hillary Clinton as "the kind of thing that I would expect from Mitt Romney or Rudy Giuliani"--the campaign continues to test drive none-too-clever and patently obvious Republican talking points. The latest political zeitgeist: The Obama campaign demands a response to an anonymous rumor planted by the Prince of Darkness himself, right-wing operative and Karl Rove confidante Robert Novak.

Stop laughing. This is serious presidential business, at least according to the Obama brain trust.

First, the back story. On the morning after the Sin City Showdown, the Huffington Post published our post on Barack Obama and John Edwards' grasping at straws--sorry, strategic offensive, they probably call it--called, "Paging John Edwards and Barack Obama: Your Republican Talking Points Are Calling!" It seems to have struck a nerve. Several hundred Huff Post readers commented and many, if not most, took issue with our premise that Messrs. Obama and Edwards were using Republican talking points to attack Sen. Hillary Clinton. It's not that Hillary Clinton doesn't have numerous vulnerabilities, and, Obama cannot brand himself as an attractive and credible alternative. By all means, Obama should be further ahead, but, he is stalled in the polls--up to 30 points behind in Nevada--because his campaign staffers continually seek inspiration from the professional Hillary haters on the right.

Fast forward to Sunday. Robert Novak's Sunday Chicago Sun-Times column claims "agents of Sen. Hillary Clinton are spreading the word in Democratic circles that she has scandalous information about her principal opponent for the party's presidential nomination, Sen. Barack Obama, but has decided not to use it. The nature of the alleged scandal was not disclosed."

No details, no sources, no information--just sensational charges and the lurid strokes of a keyboard. It's like Perez Hilton was hired to ghostwrite a Robert Ludlum novel. Who would fall for such a thing, besides gossip hounds, the loony left, and, the professional Hillaraters?

cun't

"Dance, puppets, dance." It's an old Jedi Mind Trick that most of us should easily resist.

Posted by Corky at 2007-11-19 05:45 PM

You are the dancer Corky. I posted a "Hillary quote" for you earlier and you danced to the string......right on cue. LOL. I wonder if I should make you dance some more. ROFLMAO.

Also Corky is the good puppet as she whines for everyone to vote....Bush/Clinton/Bush/
Clinton. Good girl Corky.

-I posted a "Hillary quote"

No, you lied and several posters called you on it.

Nuthin' new about that.

You heard it here first. The secret is out. Ms Hillary has been giving Mr. Obama lap dances, and Mr. Novak is jealous. Hell hath no fury like a superannuated columnist scorned. And Mr. Novak epitomizes sleaze.

The plot thickens.

Will Ms Hillary and Mr. Obama abscond, abandon the race, and find happiness together? Will Mr. Bill and Mrs. Obama find solace in each other's arms. Will Mr. Novak need to gratify himself by again embracing his first and true love, himself? Will Mr. Novak find himself relegated to gazing at his own navel?

What, oh what, could possibly be scandalous as it relates to presidential candidates today. They've all had their financial scandals, they've collected funds from unsavory characters, they've been invovled in sex scandals, they've traded political favors for other benefits, they've used heavy drugs. what could it be? Could it be a secret recording of Mr. Obama revealing his dual status as the proverbial "Manchurian Candidate?" What else could possibly be a "shocking" scandal that could influnce the election result.

These candidates are all in the gutter. It's like telling an open and aboveboard professional prosititute that you're going to tell everyone that she's a loose woman. What is an addtional villainy in which Mr. Obama could be involved "that would compromise him?" These candidates have done it all.

LOL, CBS Evening News just reported this in Iowa:

Obama-30%, Clinton-26%, Edwards-22%

Hillary's BullShit is backfiring CORKY. Whine away and keep acting like you don't understand what I am posting (even though you continue to dance to the puppeteer's string). ROFLMAO.

Thats not dirt on him hillary you racist bitch.. he's a poor black man... well make that just a black man.

How can Obama "abandon the race," Johnson? Once you're black, there's no going back. You of all people should know that.

Question: What did the right ball say to the left ball?

Answer: "FF WisGod

Posted by ride_on at 2007-11-19 03:11 PM"

Take your dick out of your mouth, Rode. I can't understand a word you are saying.

Posted by Corky

Say's the Girl with Hillary's 12 inches jammed down her throat...(unless Monte was sucked off 4 times)

I think Novak likes the word "Agent".

And how about that Iowa poll with Obama ahead..

Is there enough time? Not with this scuttle butt story crap coming out.

Hillary knew the polls were coming out and let this story go out first--the deceptive plot thickens.

Murphy