Sorry Keith

Looks like Kucinich struck a nerve.

Items about UFOs and floating blue blobs? The numerous threads as of late related to various conspiracy theories?

When did the Drudge Retort become rense.com?

Cheers

"Urge New UFO Probe"?

The headline gets a FF from Spud.

If some of the Coast to Coast callers and guests can be believed the UFOs have been "probing" humans fer years.

Spud thinks that there is undoubtedly a high probability nearing certainty that there is life on other planets.

Whether inter-stellar travel has been achieved and whether or not this particular planet has been or is being visited by that other life is one of the coolest questions ever asked.

Spud's all for a new look into the UFO phenomenon.

The Drake Equation.

N = R * fp * ne * fl * fi * fc * L

R: The average rate of star formation in a galaxy
fp: The fraction of those stars that have planets
ne: The average number of planets that can potentially support life per star that has planets
f: The fraction of the above that actually go on to develop life at some point
fi: The fraction of the above that actually go on to develop intelligent life
fc: The fraction of civilizations that develop a technology that releases detectable signs of their existence into space
L: The length of time such civilizations release detectable signals into space

The recent discovery of evidence suggesting water on Mars at some point has made a lot of folks more optimistic about the possibility of there being intelligent life in the galaxy more advanced than we.

It may be nothing it may be everything.

Worth another look.

Be Well.

While I feel I can say with confidence that there are other life forms that are likely to be as intelligent and even more intelligent than we are, and while I think that technology could reach a level where we may able to break the laws of physics as we currently understand them so that life forms may be able to travel to distant worlds far beyond their homes, I'm not sure I buy all of this UFO business. I refuse to say that it is impossible that alien UFOs have probed the unlucky citizens of New Mexico and Montana, but I believe that the recent trends we're seeing with more UFO sightings than usual may be in part due to the chemicals we eat (or smoke) and are spewing into the air along with the massive increase in radio signals from cell phones and blackberries effecting our normal brain functions. Of course, some people are just naturally crazy, and some people are just seeing weather balloons or other such identifiable objects.

As far as the blue blob is concerned, perhaps it was a hoax used as a free advertisement for the gas station.

Between Kuchinich's bill for impeachment of Bush and now his sighting of UFO's, it should make for one interesting campaign year.

"as intelligent and even more intelligent than we are"
Ya think?
USA intelligence = oxymoron

Dang! That's where Bush's brain is. Now we know.


Larry:
Mail's in.

Where's the bOoB? I can't believe he would let a UFO thread go untouched.

Goatman:

Sitting on two strikes.

Cue the Outer Limits theme song. Ai yah tien ah...

USA intelligence = oxymoron

terrestrial intelligence = oxymoron

I am still waiting for the explanation of the live feed on cnn, from the space shuttle as it lost that satellite.
I'm not buying the perfectly formed, rotating ice crystals, 15 miles in diameter. Or the fist sized spheres that stop and go.

fi: The fraction of the above that actually go on to develop intelligent life

Earth has a long way to go before it meets the requirement for this part of the equation.

You know there are undoubtedly wack jobs or those with TLE that claim to see UFO's, but then there are pilots who see them, and don't forget just recently the UFO seen at the Chicago Airport by a large group of people. It certainly gives me pause.

" but then there are pilots who see them, and don't forget just recently the UFO seen at the Chicago Airport by a large group of people. It certainly gives me pause."

What gives me pause is that with all the high-tech video gear, high-resolution film SLR cameras, multi-mega pixel digital cameras with monster zoom capability, all the surveillance cams, high-speed cams, satellite cams, etc., we have yet to see any sharp, incontrovertible imagery about which we can say: "Yep, yep, that's an ET spacecraft!" Blips of light flitting about the sky, blurry pictures of something that could be interpreted as some sort of craft, foggy, fuzzy, frizzy pics that could be anything. Why is it that nobody has been able to capture a good, clean, sharp pic?

People see this and people see that. Phhhhfffffffftt! Show me a clear, undoctored pic with ET waving hi out the window, or even giving me the universal sign of the bird (U suck like a black hole, Earth primitives!).

With my "ancient" Sony Mavica, 2.2 MP with 20x digital zoom, I took a few pics a while back of an aircraft flying at cruise altitude while on a friend's land, altitude around 7,000 feet. Even though there was a little bit of fuzz, it could be clearly determined from the pic that it was a DC-10.

"Dust on the lens
All it is is dust on the lens
Dust on the lens
All it is is dust on the lens"

We have sent probes that left our solar system years ago. If, in several hundreds or thousands of years, one of them cruises past a planet with intelligent life, I wonder how much ridicule any inhabitants who claim to see our probes will take from others on their planet?

there is most definitely more intelligent life on other planets... heck they may not even be on planets as far as we know. its simple math, illustrated by spud.

however, if this life has even bothered to 'probe' us, then it has discovered human traits. we've been here a few thousand years and our furthest technological advancement has been the ability to kill every human several times over. this is not a life form that others would be attracted to.

also, keep in mind that we can't travel the speed of light yet, however we are able to make carbon objects disapear. do you not think that any intelligent life form with the ability to travel here would not also have the ability to appear invisible to our primitive eyes?


from a more 'worldly/universal' persepective, we are simply bacteria that will soon cease to exist. if there are life forms that have the technology to travel here, then they most likely also have the technology to time travel. what do you think they found when they took a look at earth 1,000 years from now? humans? i doubt it. pessimistic, but realistic.

Remember, they are just letting us mine all of our preciouos metals, then they'll come down, scoop up the bounty, and kill us all!!!

"Were they just making it up? "

No. They undoubtedly saw something. But what was that something?

Why would ET be messing around in the sky above O'Hare? Picking somebody up? Catching a connecting flight? Just wanted to mess with Earth peoples' heads?

I don't know Zot. What do our probes do in the atmosphere over Mars, Jupiter, ans Saturn's moons? Collect stuff, take pictures, etc.?

we have invisible tanks in iraq yet you guys still think that ETs can't do the same?

I can't believe you star wars junkies think this is real, grow up.

Look, the first psy-ops event was HG wells war of the worlds in 1930's and it was acknowledged as a gov "mess with the people heads" thing. it worked real well, they use it now as a psy op events to cover area 51 which is nothing but advanced weapons dev research lab and ment/psych training for special forces.
they spend millions making fake UFO's flares and lights to freak out the people and distract them

the little ufo gas station near the area is run by psych people, its all for the gullible and for a distraction
it is impossible to transfer matter between star systems, impossible. Too much energy involved.

I'm sure you would say the same thing to the military pilots who claim to see ufo's, Greenco. Probably with a sneer on your face too, for good measure.

I can't believe you star wars junkies think this is real, grow up.

Posted by greencowears at 2007-11-14 01:50 PM | Reply


I can't believe you star wars junky bashers think this couldn't happen.

Larry Mohr

Yes, our probes may, in one hundred thousand years, cruise past a star. By then it will have long ago turned to powder. that is a huge difference than living people going to the stars. this is totally impossible.
to cause a time warp mechanically would take more energy than it took to create the universe, cant be done.

to take one man and shoot him at one G acceleration to the nearest star will take 40,000 years and it would require 18,000 tons of antimatter.
star trek is a joke.

Larry, you are an eith grader with a light saber in your closet, right?

Also, if these WERE real beings and they spent time sneaking around, flashing lights, making crop circles and then flying away, what kind of creatures would act like this?
Farley the clown?
Seriously, these beings must have some kind of mental illness to act like this and spook people.

No, it has been witnesses, it is just psy-ops distracting from area 51 and testing mass mind training... seeing how effective it is.

Obviously quite a few low IQ people out there.

Larry, you are an eith grader with a light saber in your closet, right?

Posted by greencowears at 2007-11-14 01:58 PM | Reply

Who said I ever reached eith Grade??

Larry Mohr

Jesus fucking Christ JeffJ 120 Bucks for a fucking light saber?? My god man

Larry Mohr

As far as the blue blob is concerned, perhaps it was a hoax used as a free advertisement for the gas station.

Posted by Incredibleplum at 2007-11-13 10:55 PM


Possibly--where was that station again?

Also, if these WERE real beings and they spent time sneaking around, flashing lights, making crop circles and then flying away, what kind of creatures would act like this?
Farley the clown?
Seriously, these beings must have some kind of mental illness to act like this and spook people.

No, it has been witnesses, it is just psy-ops distracting from area 51 and testing mass mind training... seeing how effective it is.

Obviously quite a few low IQ people out there.

Posted by greencowears at 2007-11-14 02:01 PM | Reply |

Sneaking around to avoid the humans who would disect them on the spot....

The flashing lights of advanced sensor equipment that uses reflected light spectrums to scan its environment. Similiar to how we determine the composistion of far away objects using telescopes.

Crop circles... Alien attempts at communication... maybe some joyriding teenage aliens "tagging" up they're local group.

Larry,

It's a value at twice the price.


I can't even begin to explain how cool these things are.


I wield mine every single day.


It's Red Rider BB-Gun.

I can say that I saw a UFO on approach about 60 nm west of Kenora, Ontario (Canada).

After I had landed at St. Andrews, which is a nice airfield a bit north of Winnipeg, I overheard a guy from the Winnipeg Flying Club describing the same thing (a "queer-looking fuselage") coming in from the south-- and these guys know that area like the back of their hand-- unlike me who has to use my trusty Garmin GPS just so I don't end up in a lake. There were a few nice sized thunder cells within 2-3 nm NW of the field (these cells being quite common up in south eastern Manitoba) but otherwise straightforward approach. I'm not going to describe it as a "cigar-shaped object". That's too corny. I wouldn't call it a "fuselage" either because that denotes in a rather cynical way some haughty perception of the craft as of terrestrial origin. But I got a good look and definitely it looked oblong, silver and like nothing I've ever seen. It WAS scooting along towards Winnipeg terminal airspace so no doubt the ATC chaps had a good look at what it was, but I never followed up on it. I don't care, really. Dealing with humans on Earth is tough enough.

Dennis Kucinich could have just gotten a bus like the other candidates. Instead he has to show off. Unfortunately for him fuzzy cameras and cloudy weather keep blurring his campaign slogans.

Ok JeffJ I will go look for them in Wichita this weekend and see if they are all that and a bag of chips. If Youthink they are that good that is.

Larry Mohr

Larry,


Sharper Image carries them.


One thing to keep in mind though: They are more impressive in the dark - the blade really glows bright.


The strike sound is just awesome. My bed post takes a beating daily as I practice my moves.


This summer, one of my high school buddies had a party and I brought my lightsaber. Here's what he had to say:

"We all have wants in life. That (pointing at my lightsaber) is a need. I am an imcomplete man without one."



Another buddy who was at that party recently purchased one. Here's what he had to say:

"Owning this is a life-changing experience."



My wife collects Lladros; I intend to collect these.

I find it extremely humorous that people who, without pause, disregard anyone who acknowledges the possibility that there could be UFOs as wack-jobs, in the same breath profess without reservation that there is a God: one that has never been seen or heard from, that there is zero evidence of, and that cannot be proven or disproved...

Funny shit; anyone who believes that (given the vastness of our universe and our minimal understanding of our own reality) WE (humankind) are the only intelligent life that has developed, I think are as dumb as a box of hair, and are incredibly self important...

Funny shit; anyone who believes that (given the vastness of our universe and our minimal understanding of our own reality) WE (humankind) are the only intelligent life that has developed...


Perhaps we are the only intelligent life in the universe that HASN'T developed...

Oh, oh. Here's a publication that is violating the truth in advertising laws by misleading people with its name. The "Journal of Scientific Exploration" is an excellent place for this type of speculation.

Scientific?

And if Kucinich saw UFOs, you wonder if he and Shirley McLain, the channeler, have been toping together a bit too much. Yes, that's proof positive. If anyone as "rational" as Dennis Kucinich experienced such a vision, then we just know it must be true. Right. Yeah.

The fact that he is returned to Congress proves the adage that "You can fool all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time." Dennis is stuck in lala land. I wonder if Alzheimer's runs in his family too, or dementia, or some other mental illness that results in hallucinations and peculiar organization of observed material Or is it biological? There needs to be some explanation for the Dennis phenomenon.

Is he wearing his beanie cap with the antenna on it while he's on the campaign trail. You know, just in case the "aliens," space not Hispanic, are making an effort to contact him.

I find it extremely humorous that people who make fun of religious folk get their panties in a wad when religious folk make fun of people who believe in UFOs.

Any tracks? Also check Dennis' liver.

It's quarantined here:

Ta Zat fer that "You are here" shot of the Pale Blue Dot.

If there is intelligent life in the galaxy and they are observing earth they are prolly trying to decide whether humanity is a cancer or an emerging sentient species.

As Zappa once sed...

"I figure the odds be fifty-fifty"

The idea that human life is the only intelligent life in the galaxy underscores the massive ego-centrism of the human race.

Reminds Spud of early attempts by the church to put the earth at the center of the universe and solar system literally.

How like a baby we are.

This is like playing peek-a-boo with a baby, in fact.

The reason peek a boo works every time with kids of a cettain age is the fact that when they can't see you you literally cease to exist fer them. It's always a pleasant surprise fer babies when you "re-emerge" and "become real" again.

Spud has never seen God nor has Spud ever seen a UFO.

If Spud has to bet on one or the other being real Spud would put all his money on the li'l green men rather than the invisible man in the clouds.

Does that make Spud a whack-job or a realist?

Be Well.

PS: Completely off topic but does anybody else on the board know and or like Suzzane Vega's earlier work?

Spud luffs "Small Blue Thing"

Today I am
A small blue thing
Like a marble
Or an eye

With my knees against my mouth
I am perfectly round
I am watching you

I am cold against your skin
You are perfectly reflected
I am lost inside your pocket
I am lost against
Your fingers

I am falling down the stairs
I am skipping on the sidewalk
I am thrown against the sky

I am raining down in pieces
I am scattering like light
Scattering like light
Scattering like light

Today I am
A small blue thing
Made of china
Made of glass

I am cool and smooth and curious
I never blink
I am turning in your hand
Turning in your hand
Small blue thing

L_OR_D... "I find it extremely humorous that people who make fun of religious folk get their panties in a wad when religious folk make fun of people who believe in UFOs."

Well, seeing as there is FAR more proof of the existence of aliens and UFOs than there EVER was for the existence of God, I guess the people that believe in the possibility of UFOs, just feel it's like a five year-old mocking someone who believes that the earth is round, all-the-while professing the existence of Santa Clause ...

"Well, seeing as there is FAR more proof of the existence of aliens and UFOs than there EVER was for the existence of God,"
--CAPTAINOFURANUS

Oh, you mean fuzzy images and random eyewitness accounts?

So much evidence! How can I deny it?

"just feel it's like a five year-old"
--CAPTAINOFURANUS

Five-year-olds also poke fun at others and then piss themselves, cry, and moan when someone else dishes it back. Please, for the love of God, aliens, or whatever the hell you believe in, un-knot your panties!

L_OR_D... "Oh, you mean fuzzy images and random eyewitness accounts? So much evidence! How can I deny it?"

Well, please direct me to the "fuzzy images and random eyewitness accounts" of God... Then we'll compair evidence...

L_OR_D... "Please, for the love of God, aliens, or whatever the hell you believe in, un-knot your panties!"

Please point out where my "panties are in a knot"...

I just said that it was "funny shit". And, that you are as "dumb as a box of hair, and are incredibly self important"...

I don't think that given the average tone of the posts here, that qualifies as getting my "panties in a knot"...

Yeah, OK, we'll have a contest. I'll grab my bible and you grab your camera that's out of focus.

Shall I pass you the Grapenuts?

You mean Santa Claus doesn't exist? I'm gutted. *THUD*

Personally I have seen several things that I would describe literally as "Unidentified flying objects" in that they were flying objects that I could not identify. Most of my naval career was spent at Naval Air Stations, living with both fixed wing aircraft and helicopters and for the past 16 years I have lived in MCAS New River's back yard so I am pretty sure when I am looking at some sort of an aircraft. I would absolutely LOVE to know what the thing was I saw that was being chased by two helicopters at top speed just above tree level a couple of years ago. Don't suppose they will tell me though. I also saw something hovering over a field when me and my husband were driving on I40, course couldn't stop and take pics, but I am pretty sure it was no type of aircraft I have ever seen before.

I agree with other that have stated that it is pretty arrogant of human beings to think that we are the only life forms in the universe.

My Bible doesn't have photos of God of any sort - grainy, fuzzy, nothin.' I want Live or Die's edition.

My father spent a lot of time in the late 60's and 70's in SR71's, and also at Area 51. He is an aerospace engineer who is as down-to-earth as they come. He says he has seen things that are not from Earth.

"My Bible doesn't have photos of God of any sort - grainy, fuzzy, nothin.' I want Live or Die's edition."
--MONTECORE

My version has all kinds of photos that prove God's existence. The only downside was that I had to color them all in myself.

Monte,
If what your dad says is true, he better watch out. If we have alien hardware in our possession, it would surely be as top secret as things get. Those unfriendly men from the government really don't like people telling secrets to "uncleared" personnel--including family members.

I'll let him know, Frosty. You can be sure of that!

My father ... is an aerospace engineer who is as down-to-earth as they come. He says he has seen things that are not from Earth.

Posted by mOntecOre at 2007-11-14 05:15 PM | Reply |

Monty, honey, let me show you something I learned from the aliens. Take off your clothes and don't tell mommy.

I don't think believing in the Bible and in UFOs has to be exclusive. Just because the Bible doesn't mention life on other planets doesn't mean it doesn't exist. If God had tried to explain extra-terrestrial life to someone from Moses' time, it would have just confused him and served no purpose.

Personally, I believe extra-terrestrial life is a possibility, but have never seen any evidence to confirm it.

I haven't bothered to do the math, but Green is probably right about the insane amount of energy is required for interstellar travel based off what science knows today. But to believe we have discovered everything that there is to know about our universe is naive. The idea of having half-a-million pound hunks of metal flying through the sky was impossible 1000 years ago. Who knows what we'll discover in the future? (Or more in line with this thread, what some other alien race has already discovered.)

At least I had a mommy, "Two-Dads + One Test Tube Vernie."

(Does your Big Bride worry about your obsession with incestuous, homosexual pedophilia, Vernie? I think you could benefit from some counseling. I mean, even Eberly won't hang around you anymore.)