Good. I hope he died a slow, painful death.

Sounds like it was slow and likely painful--probably not enough by some folks' standards.

Why is it when the news brings up Danny Pearl--they say he was executed and never print that he was beheaded?

Murphy

He must have been tortured by Bush.

The left

"But Memon's family members and human rights groups said that in April, the businessman was left in front of his Karachi home badly injured and emaciated, weighing just 80 pounds (36 kilograms), according to the report.

About a month later, he died from what was described as complications from meningitis and tuberculosis, the Journal said."

WTF
so he was just a "suspect" who was detained then released. So was justice served?

Did they interrogate him by slowly sawing off his head with a machete?

This guy died a month after being tortured by both the US and Pakistani intel services?

He owned a nursery that Daniel Pearl allegedly was in at one point?

And we know this and the "fact" that he was a part of an anthrax plot because he admitted to it under torture?

And folk hereabouts are just fine with that?

Riiiighhht!

"Interrogation"?

Fuck off with that euphamistic language.

He was tortured to death by two different intelligence agencies. The fact that he got to live a whole month after the process does not alter the fact that the man was tortured to death and his "testimony" is absolutely uncredible.

Spud wonders whether he reallywas involved in the kidnapping/ murder of Pearl or not.

Guess we'll never know for sure.

One thing for sure.

Daniel Pearl got off lucky compared to this guy.

This guy's yet another posterboy fer extremist jihadist elements!

Way to go Dumbya! Thanx fer making us all "safer".

Madness.

Be Well.

He owned a nursery that Daniel Pearl allegedly was in at one point?

Actually, he owned the nursery where Daniel Pearl was held prisoner, its not like its someplace that he visited when he wanted to indulge his horticultural side.

Spud--says--

Daniel Pearl got off lucky compared to this guy.



You are joking--right?

No one even knows what happened to this guy except he died of tuberculosis and menigitis--he can catch that from torture?? Did they inject him with it??

And you have the nerve to say Danny Pearl who got his head cut off with a blunt knife--was lucky?????

I am asking you to take that back--Spud! Take that back about Danny Pearl.

Murphy

good, agreed Redman. Sickoflibs, great 6th grade line. Maybe you could offer something of substance? I really think you could have found some common ground with everyone else. But you just keep breathing thru your mouth.

Spud-

They found extensive traces of Pearl's dried blood in rooms in this nursery. Do you think that he pricked his thumb on a rose while visiting, or that he was beheaded?

Daniel Pearl got off lucky compared to this guy.

It's really unbelievable that you think this.

So this is the brave new world the Bush family has promised us? If this man was released by both the Pakistanis (one of Bush's favourite dictators) and by the Americans then I somehow doubt that he's guilty of the crimes he was accused of. As for the anthrax and bioweapons crap, I'm sure even Mother Theresa would've admitted to the same things if she was being waterboarded. Fact is you just don't release someone who you think had a hand in planning to unleash a plague on your country.

I think we should ask George Bush and Dick Cheney if they think this man deserved to die the way he did - but first we should waterboard them for a while first...

Murphy - Don't blow a gasket. You know the libs on this site will swear he was an innocent victim of the "Bush Crime Co.", or whatever they're calling it today. Next they'll claim that Daniel Pearl was responsible for giving him meningitis and tuberculosis.

Redman

sorry if the "libs on this site" want some sort of due process before a detained "suspect" is executed.

Waterboarding is no worse than getting Tazed Bro!

It is not permanent and does not kill you--AND it does not give a person tuberculosis or meningitis!


Murphy

Doem - Listening to the libs on this site is nothing more than a form of entertainment when I'm bored.

^^^^^

so you are a troll?
cool.
troll away then

"Waterboarding is no worse than getting Tazed Bro!"

Waterboarding is a form of controlled drowning used to extract information. Numerous experts have described this technique as torture.

From the article about the Spanish Inquisition (1478-1834, with its most active period from 1480-1530), a form of torture similar to waterboarding called toca , along with garrucha (or strappado) and the most frequently used potro (or the rack), was used (though infrequently) during the trial portion of the Spanish Inquisition process.

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During World War II, Japanese troops, especially the Kempeitai, as well the Gestapo, the German secret police, used waterboarding as a method of torture.

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The Khmer Rouge at Tuol Sleng used waterboarding as a method of torture between 1975 and 1979.

Next they'll claim that Daniel Pearl was responsible for giving him meningitis and tuberculosis.

Pearl did give him those diseases. He had them himself, then as his carotid artery was hacked open, he unmercifully sprayed his blood all over those poor guys.

Doem--I had no idea that Pakistan adhered to our Constitution! You think that folks are walking around with a lawyer in their pocket?

The guy was up to his eyeballs in evidence of guilt and responsibility for the disappearance of Danny Pearl--and other crimes.

He did not apparently die from torture--he died from tuberculosis and meningitis. Where were the signs of torture? Where were the tie/rope marks? Where were the tire marks up his back side? Where were the cigarette marks, the electrical marks, the hanging marks, the bruises, the scars, the beating marks?

Non of that is mentioned in this article--and this was back in April??

I don't get any of this. It all sound like BS!

And folks who die of tuberculosis and meningitis suffer weight loss before they die.

Murphy

You don't need to worry about what SickOfLibs said CJK85. No doubt some DR lefty will come along and top it anyway.....oh wait, third person wacko speaking Mr. PotatoDud already did!

TROLL - An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who intentionally posts controversial or contrary messages in an on-line community such as an on-line discussion forum or group with the intention of baiting users into an argumentative response.

Almost everytime I've tried to have an intelligent conversation on this site, someone jumps in with obscene or insulting comments that have nothing to do with the discussion at hand. So I've learn to just watch and post for my own amusement.

Murphy, if waterboarding isn't that bad then I'm assuming you'd have no problem having your parents/spouse/children undergo some.

And Redman, no one is accusing Pearl of anything. In fact it sounds like the two men weren't connected at all. It's too bad he had to die for no crime except owning a greenhouse where a crime took place.

Maybe we should waterboard George Bush to find out what he was really doing when he went AWOL. That is what you want, isn't it? To torture people because they may have done something illegal?

Waterboarding is no worse than getting Tazed Bro!

It is not permanent and does not kill you--AND it does not give a person tuberculosis or meningitis!

Murphy

Posted by MURPHY at 2007-11-12 09:40 PM

Well said, Murphy.

Those of you on the left who believe that waterboarding is torture don't really know what real torture is all about. I would submit that anything short of losing body parts or bodily functions would not be considered torture.

I agree with SPUD...

We used our "Enhanced Interrogation Techniques" and the guy died from it...

One can catch meningitis and TB caused by bad health and exposure to the source virus/bacteria. These are conditions that would be present in a maximum security solitary confinement cell: exposure to the elements, human excrement/fluids residue and massive stress to the body and mind ...

Doesn't take a genius ...

And, ANY evidence is NOW pretty pointless, as he has already suffered the most severe punishment possible while in the hands of American authorities and/or their proxies. All of this without ANY due process: kidnapped, beaten and tortured; all in our name ...

America used to stand for something other than FEAR and TERROR ...

Don't it make you proud; let's all hold up our plastic flags and 9/11 pins as another enemy combatant dies a slow and horrible death: Just IN-CASE he was Al Qaeda...

I would submit that anything short of losing body parts or bodily functions would not be considered torture.

I would submit that the US and our allies convicted and imprisoned Japanese and Germans at Nuremberg for the "water treatment" after the War, and I would also submit that your reasoning is very much like that of the Axis criminals.

Republican math


wrong + wrong = right.

I would submit that anything short of losing body parts or bodily functions would not be considered torture.

That's how the SS approached it. It was known as "enhanced interrogation" (in German. of course ). It was favored among the Gestapo as it left no physical marks.

Congrats.

Republican4ever-
re: "Those of you on the left who believe that waterboarding is torture don't really know what real torture is all about."

You have been captured and "waterboarded" by a foreign power?

"Those of you on the left who believe that waterboarding is torture don't really know what real torture is all about."

Let's see, some bullshit by an anonymous poster on a blog, or someone who's gone through torture:

Republican4ever- Is it torture if the interrogators rape you?

No loss of bodily functions or parts. Hell, they can use Lube. How about if they don't let you sleep for 5 days? Put you in a soundproof room with a blindfold and earmuffs? Or use flashing lights and sound on you for days?

All those "techniques" could drive a normal psychotic very quickly, but under you limited definition, they would not be considered torture.

"normal man psychotic very quickly,"

Here is my take, I hope they sat him in a room and showed him endless reruns of the Daniel Pearl beheading tape, all the while standing beside him holding a rusty machete......slapping it into a hand occasionally, then showed him the tape again and then sliding the machete across his neck gently, not even hard enough to break the skin. Then show the Daniel Pearl film again, then next time draw the knife against his throat JUST enough to graze the skin, then show the Daniel Pearl film again, then.......

Rape is humiliation---and permanent psycholigical treatment---so rape is torture under the GC rules.

Manipulating the environment is not considered torture--making it too cold or too hot. it has to be controlled and can't be permanent.

These are damn terrorists! Don't the libs understand! They would behead you first--next to the gays!

Murphy

Rape is humiliation---and permanent psycholigical treatment---so rape is torture under the GC rules.

LOL!!!

Waterboarding isn't humiliating?

Waterboarding isn't permanent psycholigical treatment?


How womanly of you!!!

How about if they don't let you sleep for 5 days? Put you in a soundproof room with a blindfold and earmuffs? Or use flashing lights and sound on you for days?


Isn't this what they do to our new recruits?

Isn't the drill sargeant a torturer?

Get real with what and who we are dealing with.

Our techniques--not being permanent are not considered torture.


Murphy

Manipulating the environment is not considered torture--making it too cold or too hot. it has to be controlled and can't be permanent.

So they should just use a strapon dildo instead of a penis?

Murphy-
Of course they're all terrorists by virtue of the fact that they were rounded up. God should have no mercy, and as long as we are functioning in that role, neither should we.

Waterboarding is not considered torture by the GC rules. Rape is--and men can be raped too--

Waterboarding is not permanent--rape is--so don't get sarcastic with me MW!

Murphy

Sheesh, MindWarped/MoneyWarped(tm) kindly leave your personal fantasies out of this discussion.

Cooper/BadWeek/Boyd et al, don't you have to occupy your time with making up more names you can post under?

Waterboarding leaves permanent Psychological Scars therefore it IS Torture.

Larry Mohr

Isn't this what they do to our new recruits?

Some recruits went through training to help them withstand, or at least become familiar with, torture techniques that might be used by despotic regimes such as those techniques (torture) you now champion.

Waterboarding is not permanent--rape is--so don't get sarcastic with me MW!

Rape isn't permanent, as long as it's done by the good guys and they use a condom.

Murphy You know how stupid that sounds Rape is Permanent. How is Rape Permanent?? You mean the rape keeps on going for the remainder of someones life?? That's stupid.. HOWEVER like Waterboarding Rape causes permanent Psyhological scars.

Larry Mohr

This guy had Pearl's blood in his greenhouse--they wanted to know what he knew--they got him and asked him. Apparently they got a guy that was in the know.

We do not torture--but we will ask folks what they know.

Waterboarding is not considered torture uner the GC rules.

I have no problem with loud music--my kids do it all the time and I am still sane.

If it too hot or too cold--we all survive.

You libs want to give the enemy three hots and a cot. Get over yourselves. They are the enemy and should be treated as such--but we do not torture.

And there is no evidence that this guy was "tortured". He died from your fantasies that torture causes tuberculosis and meningitis.

Hardly. But of course, just jump to the worse accusations. Without any proof--except your hallucinations..

Murphy

Waterboarding is not considered torture by the GC rules

Then why did we convict Germans and Japanese of this very crime after WWII.

Larry--you are stupid--sorry but you are about 7 floats short of a parade.


Murphy

"who(sic) we are dealing with"

One hopes they are, at the very least, literate;
Beyond that, conscious would be good, too.

It only takes one float for a parade.

Larry Mohr

Murphy-
You seem to find it important to believe that we do not torture, while advocating actions that would clearly be considered torture if someone did it to a captured American.

Is it just the word that bothers you? We could call it "justice" if it would make you sleep better. (Oh, but that's your goal, isn't it?)

Boyd--Cooper--whoever--

Waterboarding is not considered torture. Look it up.

You can't kill people with it--Duh!

And maybe is Larry LA LA Land--one float is a parade--but you are then negative 6 floats...

And I don't mean to call you stupid--really. That is not a word I like.

But you sure have a goofy POV..and you say the same thing about me--so we are even. ;o)

Murphy

You know Murphy if You weren't JeffJ's Woman I would thoroughly enjoy being called stupid by You but since I value JeffJ's friendship I will just smile and nod.

Larry Mohr

Murphy-
"Look it up" where?

Try this thought experiment, if you are capable: A US sdoldier is captured, hooded, stripped naked and chained in a "stress position" in a cell with loud music blaring for days...weeks. Sleep is prevented at all costs. He/she is occasionally made to believe that he/she is drowning and will be killed, and then is returned to the same cell, naked and freezing, etc. etc.

Torture?

I'm just guessing that Daniel Pearl (unlike all the Republicans here, I didn't know him personally so I won't call him "Danny") never wrote one single word of criticism about Bush. Because if he had, every rightwing screecher here would be shouting that he had it coming.

Rightwing outrage is awfully selective.

Murphy, et al-
I would have more respect(just as much loathing, but more respect) for you and others if you would cease the bullshit and state that you wish to torture people (within limits - "no marks!"), as they are evil and deserve no due process or consideration. After all, the very fact of their incarceration, color, and funny sounding-names renders them guilty and beneath any consideration of our laws and treaties.

As the good guys, we really can't screw around lest the heathens win.

Good night.

I am asking you to take that back--Spud! Take that back about Danny Pearl.

Sorry, no can do.

Given the choice between dying the way Danny Pearl died and this guy?

Spud'll still go with the slow beheading over the continual torture death.

Murphy do you honestly still believe that water-boarding isn't torture?

Did you read Spud's recent thread on CIA torture techniques?

Danny Pearl died with more dignity and was better treated than this guy.

That's not Spud being controversial that's Spud being pragmatic.

The guy owned the nursery where Pearl was killed?

Wot evidence do you have that sez he wasn't forced into providing the space?

Spud's talking about evidence that was produced w/o the use of torture.

Spud isn't claiming that Spud knows for sure whether this guy was in on the kidnapping/murder of Daniel Pearl or not.

Spud is claiming that we'll never know the truth because of the techniques used here.

Waterboarding is not considered torture. Look it up.

Spud did look it up.

You can't kill people with it--Duh!

You can kill people with it.

People have died from it on a number of occasions.

Surviving torture past a certain degree is almost worse than death, btw.

Be Well.

For Murphy and the rest...
Just WHEN did they hold this guys trial? Was he convicted?

A death sentence without a trial is nothing less than murder-and gives credance to the Jihadists calls for retaliation.

Spud,

Daniel Pearl got off lucky compared to this guy.

That is a sick thing to say. Did you watch the video?

For the sake of fairness, you show me a video of someone dying from waterboarding and if it looks worse than being beheaded with a dull knife, I will apologize and take back what I said.

Cheers,
Walt

Waterboarding is not torture within the GC rules.


And yes--folks have probably died from waterboarding--they had probably died from being tazered too...

Chopping off fingers, rape, electrical implants, and such is torture.

And Spud--there is NO DIGNITY in dying with your head sawed off with a blunt knife--geez man--that is missing something to say that--really...

Murphy

And the proof is that Pearl's blood was in his place--you know like when someone kills someone anywhere--or the person is located somewhere with their DNA--they are the prime suspect.

And if you can't tell the difference--you are one sick pup...


Murphy

Please Murphy, you really are an idiot!!! I've been tazed as part of my job, it lasts 5 seconds, causes an involuntary flexing of skeletal muscles, and really does not cuase pain. At no time did I feel like I was going to die!

I sure as hell would not volunteer to be water boarded. Daniel Levin, a former Acting Assistant Attorney General asked the Army to waterboard him so he could understand the process. They did it, and he came out utterly convinced of it being torture. He wrote as much in a memo, and was fired by the Bush Administration for not being a robot, and towing the company line!

Why is it that every person who has been waterboarded claims that it's torture? That includes John McCain and Admiral James Stockdale, who were both waterboarded at the Hanoi Hilton and both reported that waterboarding was torture. Military JAGs have called it torture.

Former SEAR instructors who waterboard our servicemen as training have called it torture! These people appear to be experts in the field. They also conduct the torture in controlled conditions with the intent of not causing permanent injury or death to their subjects. Yet they still call it torture!!!! It's described as controlled drowning, not simulated drowning (as some Bushies claim) but REAL DROWNING!!!! And most people who study torture report that any infomation gained through torture is suspect at best!

What I don't get about the Bush apologists is that they readily take the word of chickenhawks who would never undergo the procedure themselves, but loudly proclaim that it's not torture!!! And then these mindless robots run around repeating this meaningless claim!!!!

Seriously Murphy,

Dignity? That is like saying he got drawn and quartered, with dignity.

Cheers,
Walt

Waterboarding is not considered torture by the GC rules.

Except people have been put in prison for doing it. Oops.

Alex

Except people have been put in prison for doing it. Oops.

Just out of curiosity, do you have a decent link to a story about this?

Cheers,
Walt

Waterboarding is not considered torture by the GC rules.

Of course it is, Murphy.

It's unlawful to do it to POW's which is why BushCo were so careful to designate these guys "Unlawful Combatents".

And yes--folks have probably died from waterboarding--they had probably died from being tazered too...

All too often, it is true.

Chopping off fingers, rape, electrical implants, and such is torture.

See also: Waterboarding, Thumbscrews, the Rack, The Iron Maiden, Crucifixion, etc. etc. ad nauseum.

And Spud--there is NO DIGNITY in dying with your head sawed off with a blunt knife--geez man--that is missing something to say that--really...

Always with the absolute arguments, the right, why is that?

There is more dignity in the relatively quick death of decapitation than there is to death by slow torture.

More humanity too.

Have you ever really read Geroge Orwell's 1984?

Do you know wot goes on in Room 101?

Read it and then come back here and take all yer nonsense back.

Be Well.

PS: To Tad the Addlepated.

a tacit supporter of human sacrifice and Islamic fundamentalist "law"

Are you ever right about anything?

A Stopped clock is right at least twice a day.

That's two times more than you, apperently.

Pearl had it coming to him. He was a Jew.
--moneywar

Huh!

I would like to know what Daniel Pearl did to deserve the punishment that he got.

Not quite what I was expecting, but informative, thanks Alex.

I would like to know what Daniel Pearl did to deserve the punishment that he got.

Posted by LastAmerican at 2007-11-13 01:24 AM | Reply | Flag:

Nothing. His captors were insane.

Walt- What WERE you expecting?

Not for torture but anyone who cuts of another persons head isn't going to get much sympathy from me.

I'd like everyone that didn't read the article to focus on one word in the headline.

"suspect".

Just the way you phrased it I guess. Made me think you had some current criminal activity or something, maybe someone did it as a prank or something. Wasn't expecting WWII Japs I guess.

I've seen you say that it would have been better to leave Saddam in power, than have the problems which have resulted from removing him, or words to that effect. How is that incorrect?

However, that's the typical action done at each and every effective criticism some commie wannabe says,isn't it? "NOT ME! YOU'RE THE ONE!" Like some international PeeWee Herman ...

Your 3d person schtick doesn't fool anyone, Mr. Perfect! You can't spell worth crap and are always exagerating ...

Walt- We're repeating history. On the wrong side it seems.

You can't spell worth crap and are always exagerating ...

Priceless.

Hey Walt,

That is a sick thing to say. Did you watch the video?

Yup. Pretty freakin' grim.

A guillotine woulda been more humane but humanity wasn't the point to that vid.

And still Spud sez to you it was more humane and dignified than the death of this nursery owner.

For the sake of fairness, you show me a video of someone dying from waterboarding and if it looks worse than being beheaded with a dull knife, I will apologize and take back what I said.

Spud went down to his local Blockbuster and asked the guy there if he happened to have video of prisoners renditioned by the US being waterboaded to death in black sites around the world.

Appparently they don't even have one copy.

Imagine that!

Tommorow Spud is gonna try at another outlet.

Spud's sarcastic point, in case ya didn't catch it, is that such video, if it does exist, is not in the hands of the press at present.

If it does become available Spud'll certainly link to it fer everybody's edification.

Meanwhile chew on this...

Waterboarding is a torture technique that simulates drowning in a controlled environment. It consists of immobilizing an individual on his or her back, with the head inclined downward, and pouring water over the face[1] to force the inhalation of water into the lungs.[2] Waterboarding has been used to obtain information, coerce confessions, punish, and intimidate. In contrast to merely submerging the head, waterboarding elicits the gag reflex,[3] and can make the subject believe death is imminent. Waterboarding's use as a method of torture or means to support interrogation is based on its ability to cause extreme mental distress while possibly creating no lasting physical damage to the subject. The psychological effects on victims of waterboarding can last long after the procedure.[4] Although waterboarding in cases can leave no lasting physical damage, it carries the real risks of extreme pain, damage to the lungs, brain damage caused by oxygen deprivation, injuries as a result of struggling against restraints (including broken bones), and even death.[5]

Numerous experts have described this technique as torture.[6][7][8][9][10][11]
[12] Some nations have also criminally prosecuted individuals for performing waterboarding, including the United States.[13]

Kanigit!

Spud,

The issue is not really water-boarding here I think anymore. It is torture in general. You think it is, I don't, so let's use the generic.

Here is a quick situation. Would it have been worth "torturing" Terry Nichols to prevent Timothy McVeigh from doing what he did?

You will say no. I say yes.

To what extent would you go to protect something you truly loved? A loved one, a dog, your car, your country.

Circumstances always vary but it just seems you would stop a lot earlier than some others including me would to prevent things.

What are you willing to lose in order to not be accused of "torturing" some maniac?

Let Me ask You Walt if losing ones Humanity is worth living??

Larry Mohr

I've seen you say that it would have been better to leave Saddam in power, than have the problems which have resulted from removing him, or words to that effect. How is that incorrect?

It's not but Spud woulda sed...

Saddam Hussein and his two sicko kids Frick and Frack were fucking inhuman (or all too human) animals.

The only reason he was supported fer so long by the US was, as was once sed...

"Sure he's a bastard, but he's OUR Bastard"

He was seen as a bulwark against rising anti American sentiment and violence prone religious fundamentalism.

A paranoid dictator who would ruthlessly crush anyone who opposed him but one with whom the US government felt was still amenable to doing business.

Spud woulda loved to see Saddam & his kid taken out by his own people supported covertly by the US intel community with maybe an assist by Special Forces.

Nobody wanted to see his ruthless reign of terror continue forever, certainly not Spud.

That sed, the way this war was mishandled from the very begining has actually made the situation in Iraq worse for the average Iraqi than it was under Saddam, as sad as that is to imagine.

Better with Saddam still in power?

With the rape rooms still going?

With the atrocities still going on?

Sad but true.

But like most RT's Tad you continue to look at this as an "Either/Or" black and white typa scenario.

Spud seeks the third way.

Ta fer yer description of Spud as "Mr Perfect"

Patently false, of course.

"Peccavi"

Be Well.

Larry,

If you were in that Federal Building, and I knew I could keep you alive by yanking the fingernails off Terry Nichols, I would gladly do it. Though you have sometimes made that a difficult decision:)

Fortunately we have less severe techniques so our authorities don't have to.

One sick demented creature is not worth the lives of innocent civilians.

Here is a quick situation. Would it have been worth "torturing" Terry Nichols to prevent Timothy McVeigh from doing what he did?

Interesting hypothetical.

Shades of Alan Dershowitz's "ticking time bomb" scenario or at the very least an episode of "24".

And about as plausible.

Allowing the US to openly turn into a torture state which disapears and tortures citizens fer potential knowledge about terrorist bombings is more dangerous than the explosion at the Federal building that day.

American did torture during the Vietnam war.

Tortured and killed uncounted numbers during Operation Phoenix.

Still ya lost.

You cannot concoct a scenario that is half ways plausible which could rationalise the neccessity of torture, ever.

What are you willing to lose in order to not be accused of "torturing" some maniac?

Lose wot?

In terms of Iraq you'd be losing some sweetheart deals fer Big Oil.

Are keeping sweetheart deals fer Big Oil worth losing all your credibility, respect and honour?

Al Jazeera has more fucking credibility in the eyes of the world than the American MSM at present.

Doesn't that make yer skin crawl?

Are you proud that it's come to this?

You shouldn't be.

Be Well.

Spud fears, "Doesn't that make yer skin crawl?"

Hey! Not to worry, Spud! It won't be Homeland Security waterboarding you, or the CIA for that matter ... it will be the RCMP, or what is it you call your CIA equivalent???

Here is a quick situation. Would it have been worth "torturing" Terry Nichols to prevent Timothy McVeigh from doing what he did?

Making aggressive decisions by using "What if" situations of nefarious nature is nothing but stupidity.

What if Israel drops a nuke on the U.S. so lets go torture questionable Israelis.

SPUD

You may recognize "

Why would Israel drop a nuke on us?

CONTINUATION...

TAD

You're saying he's not human? What a subversive dehuman!!

Way to go last night ruining the 'Some Gave All' thread.

Yiddish? What the fuck are you talking about? "32 pieces of sliver"? (a classic....what? interest payments?)

Nazi? No one's better than you insinuating everything Goebbels did. Questioning patriotism, etc. Perfect from the playbook of the NAZI propaganda master.

LMAO at you subversive!!

Why would Israel drop a nuke on us?

The mind is in a war, the goodness of one conscious mind is battling with the evil desires of the subconscious mind, the way to win is to deny its battle.

you've noticed my use of Yiddish, eh?

Spud also noticed the use of the traditional Canadian "eh"!

So to recap.

Tad is one with "African Heritage".
Tad considers England the "Motherland"
Tad uses Yiddish.
Tad uses Canadianisms.

OMFG Spud just figured it out.

Tad is actually a half white Canadian version of Sammy Davis Junior!

It all makes sense now!

Be Well.

Spud says, "CSIS"

No denial that they would waterboard someone, Spud?

Nah, you know they would ... in a heartbeat, if it meant saving Montreal ... or even any city on the 'hated' conservative coast, eh, hoser?

Thanks, AmericanUnity, I thought for awhile you weren't going to respond. I'm overjoyed

TadOwe

I'm marking this date which will live in infamy. Tad was happy.

WOW. Just WOW.

You're VERY welcome!!!

Pity. If you were a nice person you'd be happy every day.

I started out being nice to you and quickly learned it's a waste of time. So, you reap what you sow now. Change your ways, be a decent person, and I'll quit. But, I can already see the response to this post. I must be psychic. No. I'm not. I just can always anticipate your every post. Same story - different night.

Bye subversive.

No denial that they would waterboard someone, Spud?

Bwa haha haha haha haha haha!!

Once Spud finishes laffing?

Yeah, Spud is deny CSIS waterboarding.

Gotta link?

Be Well.

PS: So gone now!

Got to love the sociopathic wingnuts here.

A man is tortured, starved to 80 pounds. (that's considered dangerously anorexic for a small woman) Then is kept under conditions that let him contact some nasty diseases. Think cold and dank.

He is released. Obviously because there was nothing to imprison him with.

And there pussy wingnuts here cheer.

"Allright we tortured someone!! Sweeeeeeet!!!"

Sick fuckers.

And this guy suffered far worse than Pearl did.

And Murphy if you don't like what I said hunt me down and blow me.

"And Murphy if you don't like what I said hunt me down and blow me."

Lots of faggots in the party of progress, eh?

From this thread, you can clearly see a very important distinction between the Republicans and Democrats as it relates to prosecuting the war on terror. Most of the Democrats want to prosecute terror warriors as criminals, preferring to wait until the terrorists have struck before enforcing justice. (And even then, it's questionable if justice will be enforced at all. I remember during the 90's when we were attacked numerous times around the globe and Clinton basically did nothing in response.) The Democrats seek to grant non US citizens with access to our courts, and to bestow upon them with the rights from our Constitution.

On the other hand, most of the Republicans want to prosecute terror warriors as enemy combatants. We want to root-out the enemy before they have a chance to strike. We prefer not to wait to be hit again before deciding what actions need to be taken. We believe all non US citizen enemy combatants are not priveledged to receive any of the rights from our Constitution. They are the enemy, and should be treated as such.

In summary, Democrats want to swat at bees and leave the nest intact while the Republicans seek out and destroy the nest.

RepubNever,

I'm not a Democrat and sure as hell not a rethug either. The point is people like me value our freedom and civil liberties much more than giving into "terror". In case you haven't figured it out but "terror" is an emotion. The is real little harm in terrorists in general to the USA. Drunk drivers, riding bikes without helmets, getting Tasered by police, devaluation of the dollar, falling off ladders, etc are much more risky to our health. Terrorists are not.

But if the government is going to bankrupt the country for a useless war and destroy the lives of millions of innocent people with nothing in return it disgusts me. It also disgusts me that Americans are being watched for everything they do because of "protection" from terrorists. watch lists, no fly lists, financial investigations, etc were created for "terror" reasons but in effect are used to control your average person, nothing more.

Finally I am so fucking disgusted by people cheering the US assisted torture and death of a suspect who was never charged with a crime.

Really Repub you guys are the pussies. So scared of "terrorists" that you will give away your freedoms and cheer the death of an innocent man.

I personally would rather die free, at the hands of a terrorist, than live without my consitutional liberties. At least I know there is only a miniscule chance of dying from a terror attack but a 100% chance that government will take away my rights to "protect" me.

Why don't you grow a set?

If you condone torture then you are not a true American. You don't stand for what the concept of The Land of The Free and The Home of The Brave is all about.
You are in fact condoning fasism. And eventually fasism comes home to roost.

"you guys are the pussies. So scared of "terrorists" that you will give away your freedoms and cheer the death of an innocent man."

Yes!!!
Thank you !

Really Repub you guys are the pussies. So scared of "terrorists" that you will give away your freedoms and cheer the death of an innocent man.

I personally would rather die free, at the hands of a terrorist, than live without my consitutional liberties.

Posted by furio at 2007-11-13 09:13 AM

Wrong. I believe the person that best fits the description of the female anatomy for which you are referring is yourself. You seem to believe that if we just ignore them, the terrorists will cease to exist. Try telling that to the families of the murdered victims on September 11th. Plus, I will never give away my freedoms, nor will I ever cheer the death of an innocent man.

By the way, please tell me which Constitutional liberties have been taken from you. Be specific.

On the other hand, most of the Republicans want to prosecute terror warriors as enemy combatants. We want to root-out the enemy before they have a chance to strike

Posted by Republican4ever at 2007-11-13 08:04 AM | Reply | Flag

Given that the actions of the leadership of this country in nearly every step taken since 9/11 has resulted in MORE not fewer terrorists being recruited that hate us now more than ever, how can you say some shit like that with a straight face? Doesn't the smell of feces force you to swallow puke constantly?

This comes from Bush's own intel people not from Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi or anyone else from the Democratic party.

Why are lefties so willing to believe this guy was tortured and not merely interrogated as stated in the article ?

Why are lefties so willing to believe this guy was tortured and not merely interrogated as stated in the article ?

Posted by kerrin57 at 2007-11-13 11:29 AM | Reply | Flag


Because this entire nation has been fooled, tricked and fucked over by Bush, Cheney, Rummy, Brownie, Neocons and many of the Republican faithful for so long now that we have really, really good reason to distrust and suspect all of those people.

"You seem to believe that if we just ignore them, the terrorists will cease to exist."

Who said to ignore? But you don't need to suspend haebus corpus. You don't need to invade another country that had no intent on terrorist acts in the US. And you certainly don't need to torture innocent people and then cheer about it.

" Try telling that to the families of the murdered victims on September 11th. Plus, I will never give away my freedoms, nor will I ever cheer the death of an innocent man."

The people on 9/11 are dead. There is no reason to act like a big bitch and going around killing thousand of innocents, ruining two countries in response: Iraq and America. If the American government was so concerned about removing violent tradegy in America it would implement a 0.0% alcohol level when driving and have a mandatory 1 year prison sentence for anyone caught driving with any intoxication. 43,000 people die each year in the US from drunk driving. Do the math that's seven years times 43k or 301,000 people died from 2001 to 2007 due to drunk driving. 3000 died in 9/11. Which is the bigger tragedy?

"By the way, please tell me which Constitutional liberties have been taken from you. Be specific."

Habeas corpus and the freedom of speech. The freedom of speech indirectly as in you get put on watch lists and no fly lists if you vocally protest the government. Think you'll ever see me at an anit-Bush protest rally? Not in a million years. My livlihood depends on freedom of movement. I used to complain quite creatively when airlines played little games and they gave in. Guess what? I keep my mouth shut about anything now. I won't even write a letter of complaint now.

Kerrin,

"Why are lefties so willing to believe this guy was tortured and not merely interrogated as stated in the article ?"

Oh I don't know maybe that he weighed 80 pounds and was dying from TB? Neglect to feed or shelter prisoners is a form of torture. I would hazard a guess there were a few marks as well.

So Kerrin you wouldn't have a problem if a relative of yours was abducted, "interrogated", starved and left terminally ill on your doorstep with a "Sorry wrong guy. Your tax dollars at work. God Bless America" note?

Two men, from opposite sides of the field of battle, charged each other with their bayonets.
They both thrust and their weapons deflect.
One takes the blade in the leg.
The other takes the blade in the arm.
Again they attack each other.
This time they both puncture the other's lung.

They are found on the field of battle by their comrades and taken to the hospital.

After the war, both need machines to help them breathe. One has no use of a leg, the other lost the use of his arm.

Both will be tortured for the rest of their lives.

War is torture. Being a soldier trains you to torture the other as if you fail to kill them, you may maim them for life.

Waterboarding, electrical shot, several bullets fired at close range, a mortar shell, a bayonette thrust, a rusty spoon.

All are torture.

There is no civilized form.

-Does Habeus Corpus count? An American can now be held indefinitely without charges as a 'terrorist'. Who decides that?

-Search and seizure laws have been diluted.

-It's now OK by some in America to kill someone without a trial.

POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY

You mean an American caught fighting American soldiers in battle? Who are you talking about?

Which search and seizure laws have been diluted? Be specific.

Who is being killed in America without a trial? Name, where captured and what's the crime?

It's amazing, watching the lockstepping pom-pomers of the hysterical jingo-driving Right line up to cheer the death of this guy when the story says quite clearly the guy was "suspected of playing a role." That's all that's required, is it? Suspicion? What a bunch of dumbfuck, candy-ass Jack Bauer wannabes.

Given that the actions of the leadership of this country in nearly every step taken since 9/11 has resulted in MORE not fewer terrorists being recruited that hate us now more than ever, how can you say some shit like that with a straight face? Doesn't the smell of feces force you to swallow puke constantly?

Posted by Reagan58 at 2007-11-13 11:28 AM

Just out of curiosity ... How can someone hate more? The definition of hate is to have animosity and or hostility towards someone or some thing. Unless of course you are claiming they didn't hate us before 9-11? How is it you complain about creating more terrorists when they kill each other over a fucking cartoon? What the hell did you think the reaction was going to be once we took any action? How is it you can write with a straight face? Seems like you are swallowing the same feces.

SOMEGUY

Of course I'm NOT talking about battle. I'm talking about how some on this thread think it's ok for someone under interrogation to die in custody without a trial. Duh.

"Just out of curiosity ... How can someone hate more?"

Crispee_Cream,

I know you are a R-thug so I will make things very simple to understand.

On 9/11 99% of the Muslims in the world wished no harm on the US and many Muslims nations including Iran, Syria and Pakistan offered help in tracking those responsible for 9/11. I know FoxNews, BushCo and various rethugs say "they wasnt to KILL you" but this is false. I have met many Muslims in the US and Europe post 9/11 and they were all very nice people, without exception. But the problem is with the US showing no regard for the lives of muslims or their way of life this is now angering your average muslim. Will this cause more hate. You betcha. Kill my relative and laugh about? You'll be laughing in your grave. And I'm just a pussy liberal.

I expect there will be more angry young muslims who would want to attack the US but this would again account for less than 1% of the global muslim population.

The problem is the other 99% won't feel all that obliged to help the US stop the 1% and may actually provide assistance .

That's the problem. You may now go back to reading November's Guns & Ammo.

"Yeah this guy was a real gem. Funny how you cry about his rights etc. Are you speaking of his rights in GITMO? Or his rights in Pakistan?"

Hey retard if there was any shred of evidence against this guy he would never have been allowed to leave Gitmo.

Surviving torture past a certain degree is almost worse than death, btw.

Be Well.

Posted by dethspud at 2007-11-12 11:43 PM |


You're a real peach. Have you known anyone who has died of torture only to come back to this world to tell us unequivocally that death is better than surviving torture?
Be careful now, you might insert your atheist foot in your mouth.

On 9/11 99% of the Muslims in the world wished no harm on the US and many Muslims nations including Iran, Syria and Pakistan offered help in tracking those responsible for 9/11

I wonder why they didn't come out publicly and say so.

Hey retard if there was any shred of evidence against this guy he would never have been allowed to leave Gitmo.

You mean evidence like Pearl's blood being in the shop he owned? Does that count as a "shred" of evidence?

DethSpud,

R-thugs have failed reading comprehension since they their reading skills stop developing afer learning how to literally interpret the bible.

Dethspud wrote,
"Have you known anyone who has died of torture only to come back to this world to tell us unequivocally that death is better than surviving torture? "

Fat_Back, he said "almost worse than death" not that torture is worse than death.

Fucking moron, go praise Jesus or some shit.

Goatman,

Again, would the US have released him if there was any real evidence? The alternative is that they intentionally sent him to Pakistan for torturing.

Which option would you care to believe?

Hey retard if there was any shred of evidence against this guy he would never have been allowed to leave Gitmo.

Posted by furio at 2007-11-13 02:01 PM

Furio,
It would be an insult to retards if I called you challenged. I will just let you prove how challenged you are by your postings.

Memon is notable because Pakistani human rights workers believed he was being held in secret extrajudicial detention.[1] Pakistani police officials said they wanted to question Memon, but no charges had been laid against him. Amina Masood, Memon's lawyer, said Memon was in the custody of Pakistani intelligence officials. A senior police official named Manzoor Mughal, investigating Pearl's murder, denied knowing that Memon had ever been in Pakistani custody.

Memon died on May 18, 2007. His death was attributed to meningitis and tuberculosis.[1]

According to Asra Q. Nomani, a long time colleague of Daniel Pearl's, Pakistani papers reported that Saud Memon had been held in the United States Guantanamo Bay detention camps, in Cuba.[2] However, Saud Memon's name is not on the final official lists of Guantanamo captives, released on May 15, 2006.[3] .

"I am not going to embarrass you any further regarding your simplistic, ignorant assumption of the Muslim world. I will let the 9-11 Commission do that for you."

Really? And they say that all Muslims want to kill Americans? I think not my ignorant scared little friend. Have YOU ever met a Muslim? Have YOU ever talked to one? I really doubt it. I can happily say I've met hundreds and none have wanted to kill me. My Muslim butcher, Muslim coffe house and my Muslim gyro cafe have not poisoned me yet (although I am suspicious of the meowing coming from the back room at the gyro place)

Why don't you find your local mosque and go talk to some nice American Muslims? You might be surprised with what you hear.

Why don't you find your local mosque and go talk to some nice American Muslims? You might be surprised with what you hear.

Posted by furio at 2007-11-13 02:15 PM




Ahh Yes!!! The old racists retort when it is proven you are a fool. Maybe you can tell me what the Muslims whom I have not met according to you have to do with the thread or your ignorant rants? Did you even bother to read anything posted about this so called innocent muslim? Is this part of your 'feces' accusation? Or is this a challenged' moment?

Furio says:

On 9/11 99% of the Muslims



Well, considering that 10-15% of the world's Muslims believe in, and are in favor of strict Sharia law (which includes the celebrated killing of infidels), I am going to call "bullshit" on your bullshit.

Krispy_Cream,

"Pakistani police officials said they wanted to question Memon, but no charges had been laid against him."

Thanks for proving yourself wrong. Not only did the US let him go but Pakistan would not charge him officially just starve him and let him become terminally ill. along with the torture of course.

You still beleive he is guilty now?

Maybe he had meningitis and TB before he was picked up. Maybe he was killed by his own people after he was picked up. Maybe the Pakistanis killed him without US knowledge. Maybe either or both parties offered to let him go home alive if he told everything he knew about his co-conspirators, and the anthrax, and they kept their word.

Maybe, maybe, maybe. But George Bush is in the White House, so, naturally, the DR libs must assume the very worst. Soldier on.

Why don't you find your local mosque and go talk to some nice American Muslims? You might be surprised with what you hear.



Immediately out of college I got into the rental car biz. I spent a year working in Redford (on the border of Detroit) and a year in Dearborn (The Muslim capital of the US).


At the Redford location I dealt predominantly with blacks and in Dearborn I dealt predominantly with Arabs (a vast majority of whom were Muslim). On the whole, my Redford customers were more pleasant to deal with than my Dearborn customers.

R.I.P. Daniel Pearl.

Best news I've heard all day!

When you saw the head off of an innocent American, you will pay. Period.

Krispy_Cream,

"Pakistani police officials said they wanted to question Memon, but no charges had been laid against him."

Thanks for proving yourself wrong. Not only did the US let him go but Pakistan would not charge him officially just starve him and let him become terminally ill. along with the torture of course
Posted by furio at 2007-11-13 02:32 PM

Somehow you forgot to paste the entire article. Maybe you are unable to grasp what you read. I don't know. Again it would be an insult to those challenged if I included you.



Memon is notable because Pakistani human rights workers believed he was being held in secret extrajudicial detention.[1] Pakistani police officials said they wanted to question Memon, but no charges had been laid against him. Amina Masood, Memon's lawyer, said Memon was in the custody of Pakistani intelligence officials. A senior police official named Manzoor Mughal, investigating Pearl's murder, denied knowing that Memon had ever been in Pakistani custody.

"Well, considering that 10-15% of the world's Muslims believe in, and are in favor of strict Sharia law (which includes the celebrated killing of infidels)"

I would love to see your source for this. The only places proclaiming this are R-thug fear sites.

There are also many scary things in the Old Testament. You afraid of the Jews comig after you? Throughout history and quite recetly people have insised that Jews used the blood of Christian children in their "secret" ceremonies. You beleive this as well?

Almost everytime I've tried to have an intelligent conversation on this site, someone jumps in with obscene or insulting comments that have nothing to do with the discussion at hand. So I've learn to just watch and post for my own amusement.

Posted by Redman at 2007-11-12 09:55 PM | Reply |

You've been trolled... and now your gonna be a troll... got it.

On 9/11 99% of the Muslims in the world wished no harm on the US and many Muslims nations including Iran, Syria and Pakistan offered help in tracking those responsible for 9/11

I wonder why they didn't come out publicly and say so.

Posted by goatman at 2007-11-13 02:03 PM | Reply |

They did I remember the coverage. Perhaps not syria though...

"Well, considering that 10-15% of the world's Muslims believe in, and are in favor of strict Sharia law (which includes the celebrated killing of infidels)"

I would love to see your source for this. The only places proclaiming this are R-thug fear sites.

Posted by furio at 2007-11-13 02:45 PM

Let's see here. How about Afghanistan being ruled by the Taliban. Maybe you would like to include Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad ... . How many millions does that 1% of radical muslims represent?

Furio,


I would love to see your source for this. The only places proclaiming this are R-thug fear sites.


It was a PEW study - hardly a "R-thug fear site".



There are also many scary things in the Old Testament. You afraid of the Jews comig after you? Throughout history and quite recetly people have insised that Jews used the blood of Christian children in their "secret" ceremonies. You beleive this as well?


You are way out in left-field. In fairness, you actually asked questions in lieu of just assigning an un-taken position to me. That in itself gives you a leg-up on some on this blog.


I'll answer what I believe to be the premise underlying your questions this way:

Taken as a whole, the religion of Islam is well-behind the religions compising Christinaity right now.

SOMEGUY

Of course I'm NOT talking about battle. I'm talking about how some on this thread think it's ok for someone under interrogation to die in custody without a trial. Duh.

Posted by AMERICANUNITY

You answered only one of my questions. My suspicion is you don't have any answers and are simply making stuff up. Let's try again:

You mean an American caught fighting American soldiers in battle? Who are you talking about? (As in which American is being held indefinitely without charge?)

Which search and seizure laws have been diluted? Be specific.

Who is being killed in America without a trial? Name, where captured and what's the alleged crime?

JeffJ,

Thank you for being the only one to provide a personal experiece with Muslims well Arabs.

But Persians are Muslim, Turkish are Muslim. If you refer to either a Persian or a Turk as an Arab you better be able to run fast. Arabs are not seen as being very civilized in the Muslim world.

Would you say a Protestent Norwegian is the same as a Catholic Indian just because they both practice Christianity?

There are also many scary things in the Old Testament. You afraid of the Jews comig after you? Throughout history and quite recetly people have insised that Jews used the blood of Christian children in their "secret" ceremonies. You beleive this as well?

Posted by furio at 2007-11-13 02:45 PM

Funny how you and Rosie O have the same talking points. Are you going to claim they are parents, brothers, sisters just like us?

Furio,


Clarification:

I certainly encountered my fair share of nice Muslim arabs while working in Dearborn. By your reaction I think you probably understood that, but I wanted it out there anyways.

One of the nicest and hardest-working employees I've ever had the pleasure to supervise was an Arab. He was a Baptist minister from Northern Iraq. He had the full Osama beard and all of the features that immediately cause one to think 'sleeper cell'.

It was always fun to watch customers be initially leery of him and then be won over by his ever-present smile, his kind demeanor and his fluent English.

Krispy_Kreme you said,

"Funny how you and Rosie O have the same talking points. Are you going to claim they are parents, brothers, sisters just like us?"

I wouldn't know I don't watch Rosie. I never thought you would get me to think any less of you from your posts so far but admitting that you watch Rosie is the most pathetic thing I have ever heard on this forum. I need to wash my hands from responding to you to get the taint off my fingers.

need to wash my hands from responding to you to get the taint off my fingers.

Posted by furio at 2007-11-13 03:00 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusiv
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That taint is there because your head is so far up your ass you need your fingers to pry it out.

"That taint is there because your head is so far up your ass you need your fingers to pry it out."

You lose old man. Now go away while us youngsters continue our conversation.

Now go away while us youngsters continue our conversation.

Posted by furio at 2007-11-13 03:06 PM

Your fingers must have lodged your head lose. Because that is the only sensible thing you have posted in the last hour. You are a youngster and there is no shame in being ignorant. Intelligence comes with age and you are only a couple of decades away.

Furio,


Re: the 10-15% figure.....

I was quite shocked when I saw it. I would have guessed the number to be 1/10th of that, or even less.

The threat posed by Islamic-extremists is real and should not be ignored or swept under the carpet for partisan reasons.


The million dollar question is how best to deal with said threat. This is where meaningful debate should take place as the subject of whether or not this is a genuine and serious threat isn't debatable IMO.

Krispy_Kreme,

Old man, you watch Rosie. There is no greater insult I can give you. Please be quiet now and don't embarass yourself further.

There is no greater insult I can give you. Please be quiet now and don't embarass yourself further.

Posted by furio at 2007-11-13 03:19 PM

Says the clown who defends the Pakistani who was part of the American being beheaded.

JeffJ,

I have very little fear of sharia law. for the most part it is rules for adherents of Sharia to follow. Most people just want to get along, have a nice little house, have a nice little family. I would stick to my 1% risk. I actually think it is much less since there is 1.5B muslims in the world. I don't think 15M muslims are planning on going out of their way to jihad in america.

"Says the clown who defends the Pakistani who was part of the American being beheaded."

Again Krispy Kreme if this was the case why did the US release him and why does Pakistan say there were no charges against him? Your hallucinations from trying to freebase Viagra?

Go back to watching Matlock.

I don't think 15M muslims are planning on going out of their way to jihad in america.

Posted by furio at 2007-11-13 03:34 PM


I had gradeschool fantasies about a couple of the young nuns. I would have considered it a privlidge to have been "molested" by one of them and would be proudly bragging about it to this day.

Posted by furio at 2007-11-13 02:22 PM

In case anyone wants to waste their time on this sick fuck, I thought I would post some of his choice words.

Krispy_Kreme,

What's so wrong about nun fantasies? Don't you get a semi when the sisters at the old age home need to milk your prostate to get you more comfortable?

Again, would the US have released him if there was any real evidence?

Clearly the answer is "yes". There was Pearl's blood in his shop.

Of course maybe Johnny Cochran is defending him from the grave and blood at the site does not a crime make.

What's so wrong about nun fantasies?
Posted by furio at 2007-11-13 03:48 PM
What's so wrong about nun fantasies?

I guess the muslim women won't have anything to do with you? I am sure there are many toothless hookers in Budapest. Well in your case a blind hooker.

From this thread, you can clearly see a very important distinction between the Republicans and Democrats
REPUBLICAN4EVER

There is no distinction between the two (republicans and democrats), in the eyes of rational, thinking Americans.
Sadly, in this day and age, rational, thinking
Americans are outnumbered.

Krusty_Kreme,

Why go for the rare Muslim women when the locals are so hot? Although Turksh and Iranian women are amazing as well.

I need to correct you Matlock there are many fine young hookers here. Prostitution is legal. You can get what I like to call "Road Pussy" on the country roads. Cute young things from the village that you can pick up by the side of the road and will blow you for $15. A fuck will set you back a whole $25. Well they would probably charge you more since it will take about an hour to get you stirring.

Matlock,

You can also do call in pussy in Budapest. Check out internet site www.piroslampa.net. One hour $60 go to her flat. I have heard of guys who would also have pizza delivered as well. You want something extra like anal you will need to pay more. No tipping needed either

"Citing an unnamed senior US law enforcement official, the report said Memon was interrogated by both US and Pakistani intelligence services."

Unnamed. That means it is a fact. And, as journalists will tell you, their source must remain anonymous or they wouldn't be able to have this juicy stuff to talk about.

This is sliming the US and hiding under anonymity. Let the scum come forth and reveal him/herself so we can determine if this article even speaks any truth.

The united states is suffering from road rage.

Doesn't matter who, doesn't matter why, doesn't matter how anymore: someone "cut the country off" on 911 and now the right has taken it upon itself to express this rage in the most unproductive ways imaginable.

In the eyes of many, the bush league looks like a retarded, angry and dangerous driver on the freeway and unfortunately, the entire country is being pegged for it.

You want something extra like anal you will need to pay more.

Posted by furio at 2007-11-13 04:06 PM

Now I can understand your challenges including your nun fatasy. How much did YOU charge? Don't act that way in Iran. You may end up with the same fate as the Pakistani you have been defending.

Here we have Krispy Kreme yet another Republican coming out in public with his secret Gay lifestyle.

Of course maybe Johnny Cochran is defending him from the grave and blood at the site does not a crime make.

Posted by goatman at 2007-11-13 03:49 PM | Reply |

If the blood don't jive, get the man out of the hive!

Here we have Krispy Kreme yet another Republican coming out in public with his secret Gay lifestyle.

Posted by furio at 2007-11-13 04:40 PM |

Says the little man who wanted to be molested by a nun? Man what the fuck is in the water in Budapest? God I hope you are never around children.

"Waterboarding leaves permanent Psychological Scars therefore it IS Torture."

Abortion leaves permanent Psychological Scars therefore it IS Torture.

Just thought I'd add that...

My beloved beSpuded, you did not mean that Daniel Pearl's murder was less savage than Saud Memon's, just quicker? I agree, both are displaying the ugliest propagandism. Torture isn't used for information gathering, but to influence others. Videos are released publicly for the same purposes. Strange how videos of beheadings can get out, but not official embedded ugliness. BTW - the chairs, flooring, tripod, camera and lighting are similar in a couple of the terrorist videos that I've seen. That strikes me as a centralized facility, rather than the random popups, and this must be known by our people. This is where the ability to verify who these al Qa'ida are becomes "outsourced intelligence". So, they hold both ends of the bag - and it appears at the behest of "the community". These particular "al Qa'ida" in Iraq operate similar to a certain troupe who filmed 9/11. Same ages, height, skin, hair and eyes.. abu Garib spilled which Israeli intelligence were used extensively and solely for translation. Allegedly al Qa'ida have abducted and murdered thousands, if not more people in Baghdad alone. Most abducted are fashioned into human bombs and sent back into their own neighborhoods, killing dozens more of their friends and family. Whoever they are, agents of American design or not, they act with prejudice and bigotry. Pretty much every nation that we use for rendition and torture are dictatorships. United States intelligence relies on fundamentalist Islamic dictatorships. It's like the world powers are all following the machinations of a retarded Moonanite AI, Prolapsia Majestica 42.

You're a real peach. Have you known anyone who has died of torture only to come back to this world to tell us unequivocally that death is better than surviving torture?

Does Jebus count?

My beloved beSpuded, you did not mean that Daniel Pearl's murder was less savage than Saud Memon's, just quicker?

Correct. This idea that some RT's have that one who loathes the savage death of D Pearl must by definition cheer the equally savage death of this nursery owner is absurd.

Both acts were abominations.

Spud expects the Flintsone wanna bes to act this way but has held a higher level of expectation fer American behaviour. Still does.

Pretty much every nation that we use for rendition and torture are dictatorships.

America has scraped through the bottom of the barrel.

a retarded Moonanite AI, Prolapsia Majestica

An Alan Moore reference? Spud digs meta-fiction.

Be Well.

PS: Too tired to type anymore. Bedways is bestways. Spud is trundle off the blogstage fer real this time.

There are a multitude of hard decisions which must be made when anyone of any ideology is president. Those decisions are literally life and death ones and even if just about where the fertilizer goes in our foreign aid.

Those who can't stand to face the reality we happen to live in, aren't qualified to make the judgements you make in your ignorant, foreign agent idiocy.

You are a rank liar -- you don't criticize Canada or blog in Canadian politics! Otherwise you would post the sites you correspond to in regards to that and your 'equal' vilification of Canadian presence in support of the Coalition!

Put up, or be known for a meddling foreign agent and liar ...

so he was just a "suspect" who was detained then released. So was justice served?


As long as he is brown skinned and dead the answer is yes to the righties.

I would submit that anything short of losing body parts or bodily functions would not be considered torture.


You guys are such tools for this administration it is hilarious.

Abortion leaves permanent Psychological Scars therefore it IS Torture

Well I have never seen a forced abortion in this country. Have you?

Now of course if you visit "that free market nirvana" of Saipan where forced abortions are commonplace among the sweatshop slaves and forced prostitute you would see it. Of course then it was okey dokey according to Tom Delay.

Just another nail in the coffin.

Good. I hope he died a slow, painful death.

Who
Would
Jesus
Torture?

spud - you have sunk to the "moral equivalency" level - you really should take back what you said about danny pearl.

please.

There are always self-loathing lefties, who cry for those who would harm Americans.

Fortunately, the efforts of this Islamic scum were interdicted.

You play with fire, you get burned.

I hope this fellow really suffered due to the interrogation and not because of natural causes. When are you folks going to value yourselves enough to cheer disposal of your enemies. These enemies chose their status and role; now let them experience what accompanies it.

Kudos to the Pakistani and American intelligence services.

Let this be a lesson to others considering terrorism as an option.

The irony of scum and adherents of scum such as this is that they now appeal ton "human rights." What hypocrisy.

I hope this fellow really suffered due to the interrogation and not because of natural causes

If he was guilty, why was he released?

Who
Would
Jesus
Torture?


Listening to most Christians is torture.

There are always self-loathing lefties, who cry for those who would harm Americans.

Fortunately, the efforts of this Islamic scum were interdicted.

You play with fire, you get burned.

I hope this fellow really suffered due to the interrogation and not because of natural causes. When are you folks going to value yourselves enough to cheer disposal of your enemies. These enemies chose their status and role; now let them experience what accompanies it.


Kudos to the Pakistani and American intelligence services.


Let this be a lesson to others considering terrorism as an option.


The irony of scum and adherents of scum such as this is that they now appeal ton "human rights." What hypocrisy.

Posted by Johnson at 2007-11-14 11:53 AM | Reply |

I guessed you missed the part of this thread where some that you might call libs were questioning how we even knew for sure this guy was in fact deserving of his treatment. There are any number of threads were it was for well known a bad man doin bad things was not given positive treatment by "the libs".

Perhaps there is no doubt in your mind, fair enough. But to call those with differing opinions something else entirely is flat out dishonest and you ought to know that.

Along these lines.. you cheer the the death of innocent woman and children...

Could we please stop playing this stupid debate game? Its fucking retarded....

you are all a bunch of idiots....you think you know something and you have no idea.....keep attacking each other. use Dubya, left, or whatever other label you apparently need to help you understand who your enemy is...meanwhile, somewhere in the small of your back you feel a dull achy throb...that's someone d!ckin' you in the a$$ - effin idiots....

SOMEGUY ... "You mean an American caught fighting American soldiers in battle? Who are you talking about? (As in which American is being held indefinitely without charge?)"

The fact that ANYONE can be named as an "enemy combatant" by this administration, in and of itself states that Americans are at risk of being "disappeared", just as is anyone else on the planet. Using your logic if marshal law was suddenly declared and you were not inconvenienced, it wouldn't be a violation of your civil liberties ...

SOMEGUY ... "Which search and seizure laws have been diluted? Be specific."

If the police want to search your home without a warrant or your knowledge all they have to do is say that they thought you were possibly involved in terrorism: it's called a "sneak & peek" ...

SOMEGUY ... "Who is being killed in America without a trial? Name, where captured and what's the alleged crime?"

This is the problem with ANY government being above the law: we don't know until a person shows up dead in the streets, like the individual in this article, or they are just never heard from again. The point of the US government "disappearing" someone, is just that; they are never heard from again, so we are never privy to "where (they are) captured and what (their) the(ir) alleged crime (was)" ...

CAPTAINOFURANUS,

You're just like AMERICANUNITY in that you can't answer a few simple questions. You didn't name any American being held indefinitely. You didn't specifically cite any search and seizure laws being diluted. Nor did you name any person killed in America without a trial.

Try again. Answer the questions instead of stating broad platitudes of which you offer zero supporting evidence.

I'll add a few more questions special for you, how many people do you personally know that have been "disappeared"? Where are you hearing about "disappearing" people? What hard evidence can you point this forum to supporting your "disappearing" people assertion?

You're just like AMERICANUNITY in that you can't answer a few simple questions. You didn't name any American being held indefinitely. .............


Posted by SomeGuy2 at 2007-11-14 04:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

Jose Padilla was an American citizen and was held for over 5 years without being officially charged.

SOL:

I'll repost this just for you, as you obviously didn't catch it the first time around:

Using your logic, if marshal law was suddenly declared and you were not inconvenienced, it wouldn't be a violation of your civil liberties...

I.E. it doesn't matter whether there has been a breech of civil liberties, it only matters that there is a breech in the protection of said liberties. And, that the government WILL surely take advantage of said breech, given time to do so, (historically speaking)...

SOL: Sorry I meant to address SOMEGUY2 with my last post...

My bad...

I'll repost this just for you, as you obviously didn't catch it the first time around:

Using your logic, if marshal law was suddenly declared and you were not inconvenienced, it wouldn't be a violation of your civil liberties...

I.E. it doesn't matter whether there has been a breech of civil liberties, it only matters that there is a breech in the protection of said liberties. And, that the government WILL surely take advantage of said breech, given time to do so, (historically speaking)...

Posted by CaptainOfUranus

Again, you haven't answered my questions.

Also, I never suggested it's not a breach of civil liberties so you're either confusing someone else's *logic* as my own or you're making stuff up again.

Just answer the questions instead of speaking in broad platitudes with zero supporting evidence. I'll take your non-answers as a concession from you that you can't answer it. It doesn't really surprise me because we all know you and AU are making stuff up.

SOMEGUY:

I wasn't trying to answer your question, I was posting a response to your post...

I'm not going to thumb through mountains of case law to persuade you into believing the most simple of suppositions; not my job...