Bring it on.

RIP, GOP.

"That should frighten you and intimidate you into doing what is right, to prevent going to war....'

All except the two we have already, which are absolutely peachy.

I think a new draft is a great idea, provided it's retroactive to nail a few of those twenty-something faux warrior Young Republicans who think they've successfully evaded Iraq.

they should draft Bush ... fricken asshat that he is.

Anybody with marbles would equate a draft with dying for the Bush crime family.

A draft would be good for our youth. Everyone should serve when they're young. I like the Israeli model...

they should draft Bush ... fricken asshat that he is.

Posted by pragmatous at 2007-11-07 08:40 PM | Reply

While I would give both nuts for that to happen I believe it would be a bad decision. Think about it The pResident going over there to fight and being so scared that soldiers would have to take bullets doubly for Dubya for 1 Physically Protecting Him and 2 to Protect His "Legacy".

Larry Mohr

A draft would be good for our youth. Everyone should serve when they're young. I like the Israeli model...

Posted by laylakerunner

Then move to Israel dittohead.

I agree Lay. A draft would be good. It would press upon us the need to examine who profits from this war, the motives behind it, and the myths that support it. A draft might just get this country mobilized.

I would love a draft; people would be in the streets like during Vietnam...

The war would grind to a halt quicker than you can say "pees and carrots"...

This is why we have 14 US soldiers redeployed every fifteen minutes fighting the Iraq war; any more and the nation would be up in arms against this administration...

I.E. bring it on...

The war would end about 15 minutes after the first College Republican finds out that Dad's donations to W's campaigns won't get them a deferrment.

The Founders knew what they were doing by giving only Congress the power to declare war. The had an example of European monarchies launching one bloody conflict after another over vanity, ambition and greed, with the King walking away if he lost, leaving his people to bear the burden (sound familiar?). Sadly, they never imagined the President would go to war without even bother to declare it.

If a leader can't rally public support to his cause, he isn't a leader. Bush has gotten away with all this by making sure we all argue about this in the abstract, with no direct participation. It would end the day that changes. Hell, if the IRS sent out the new tax forms with a line prefilled with $1,000 and labelled "Iraq", Republicans would probably storm the WH themselves.

But, but, but, Clinton got a BJ.

The draft lottery ended the Vietnam war. The pants-pissers like Cheney and the Chimp were lucky but those rich fucks that were born a couple of years later were suddenly subjected to the random possibility of a one-way trip to the jungle paradise. It didn't take long for the war to end after that.

A draft today with the already in place SS lottery would pretty much guarantee a quick end to both Iraq and Afghanistan hostilities, or at least our participation in same. It is for certain that the dittoheads and Republicunts would never let one of their kids die for a bunch of arabs or israelis.

I agree with having a draft. It is really luck that you were born in the USA, so by luck (or not) will you fight for it!

"pees and carrots"

Misspelling or Freudian slip?


But yeah, bring on the Draft. Million man - err, person - army.

Because it's one thing to have little Johnny off to the trenches, but widdle Susie too?

Right.

Isn't there aleady a draft? NBA? NFL? Who left the door open, shut it already.

OZ... "Because it's one thing to have little Johnny off to the trenches, but widdle Susie too?"


Well, more like it's ok to have "other people's children" off fighting an endless war for oil and the profits of others, but to have your own flesh and blood over there brings it on home real f'n quick

The draft will never happen again, short of a military invasion of US soil.

If all military aged people served a couple of years in defense of our country, that would be a good thing.

Mandating it isn't.

Our constitution allows people to be selfish bastards, letting other people shoulder
the burden.

No way Bush wants anything to do with a draft and the increased scrutiny that would come with it.

We've avoided the draft to now by using mercs as much as possible. But that doesn't look sustainable, given Blackwater's rogue behavior.

We might be able to shift soldiers from Germany and Japan and Korea. That would stave things off, but not for 10 more years.

RIP, GOP.

Posted by silver_ironist at 2007-11-07 08:15 PM | Reply

We don't have a 'retard' flag, but the all-stupid award belongs here.

The all-volunteer military was created by the 2nd worst president of all time, for all the wrong reasons. Painfully it has been a huge success.

You dipshits who keep thinking about a draft are locked into a 1000-year-old fantasy. Wars are no longer fought by mases of soldiers on a field, but by a handful of warriors with superior technology.

So put your Star Wars video games away. Open the shades and feel some sunlight on your revolting, pasty skin. Eat some vegetables, damit! Enuf with microwave burritos. Stop smelling like Montecore.

From Vern, who still can't get Escape from Planet of the Apes to eject from his VCR and watches it 3 times a day: "Wars are no longer fought by mases of soldiers on a field, but by a handful of warriors with superior technology."

Asshat, what good it that "superior technology" when a $25.00 IDE can kill 4 American soldiers and destroy their $300,000 vehicle? You still need a 4 or 5 hundred thousand for any sustained occupation.

Go crawl back to your basement and keep watching that movie. The real world is obviously too much for a mouthbreather like you.

From Vern, who still can't get Escape from Planet of the Apes to eject from his VCR and watches it 3 times a day: "Wars are no longer fought by mases of soldiers on a field, but by a handful of warriors with superior technology."

Asshat, what good it that "superior technology" when a $25.00 IDE can kill 4 American soldiers and destroy their $300,000 vehicle? You still need a 4 or 5 hundred thousand for any sustained occupation.

Go crawl back to your basement and keep watching that movie. The real world is obviously too much for a mouthbreather like you.

Fuck Hagle!
Ron Paul wants to bring the troops home now!
The war is a lie and any politician calling for a draft is a liar and a traitor to the American people.
Quit falling for the lies.
Stop the war and bring our troops home.

Veron shows his ass again!

"Wars are no longer fought by mases of soldiers on a field, but by a handful of warriors with superior technology."

Tell that to the parents of all the dead soldiers.
Asshole!

The draft would be good for a few reasons...

1. It would ensure we have a healthy military
2. It would help prevent any more preemptive wars
3. Our young people are by and large spoiled and materialistic. The military would help instill discipline and a view of what the greater world is like.
4. It is a great equalizer in that it offers an opportunity for individuals to gain a sense of being one of many and a team player.

We should do it on general principles. It would make America a better country for future generations. Also, we wouldn't need mercenaries anymore.

I think we, here on the Retort, should get together, and elect Wobbie our "draft representative" and he can go over there, we'll blog his exploits, send him care packages.

It'll be just like the Great War!

BRIWO

There are enough on DR to create an 'Asshole Company' in the Army. They could be engaged in psychological warfare - insulting the enemy (safely hidden behind a wall of computers to protect them as they do here).

We'll just tell them all the 'enemy' are Democrats.

I think a new draft is a great idea, provided it's retroactive to nail a few of those twenty-something faux warrior Young Republicans who think they've successfully evaded Iraq.

It should also include those who like to talk about how our first ammendment (or any ammendment) was paid for with the blood of our forefathers, yet they themselves (like the young republicans) never volunteered. There's plenty of hypocrisy beyond the young republicans as well.

"insulting the enemy (safely hidden behind a wall of computers to protect them...)"

Ready...aim...PUBLISH!

Goatman- Got a message for you in the other thread. Last post.

FF Danforth

No, we don't need a draft. If anything, we should make it mandatory for all capable young men to enlist for one year of military service. The military is known for turning young, disrespecting, and dishonest boys into young men filled with courage and honor. I say no to the draft, and yes to mandatory service.

Those here who are pro-draft or mandatory service, pay heed to this:

Constitution of the United States, Amendment XIII:

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.


The draft = involuntary servitude

Seems there are many here who are not really American at all, displaying a fundamental ignorance, or rejection, of the founding principles of the US of A.

"War is nothing noble or good; it's all about brutality and suffering, and that should frighten you and intimidate you into doing what's right, to prevent going to war."

Jesus Chuck you should really get your story straight.

Another flip flopping republitard.

Zot, then we must ratify the Constitution first before mandatory service can be implemented. So be it.

"So be it."

I thought it already was, but the current trend is to shred what was once ratified and accepted.

I strongly disageree. We shouldn't be sending the smart kids to Iraq.
Sincerely, John Kerry

You mean Bush hasn't re-instituted the draft yet? Democratic liberals told me he would do this over 3 years ago. Did they lie to me, again?

See Vernons (11:30) post you imbeciles. it's coherent and concise, but mostly it reflects the reality of our time. Yes, REALITY, something you dreamers and degenerates always cower from.


I just popped in to see if anything here has changed. It appears the only thing changed is that there are fewer participants. I'll pop back in in a month or so. Maybe by that time all 6 of you will have gotten a job or something useful like that.

I am all for a draft that is based on the amount one stands to inherit as those are the people who stand to benefit most from our great nation and have the biggest debt.

Seriously though, I would be in favor of a draft as long as everyone had a fair shot of being drafted and parents couldn't buy their kid's way out of service. I also favor Rangle's idea of mandatory service either in the military, peacecorps (don't know if it is one word or two and I don't care), Americorps, etc....

You mean Bush hasn't re-instituted the draft yet? Democratic liberals told me he would do this over 3 years ago. Did they lie to me, again?

An error, yes. Military manpower was and is below the level needed to secure Iraq. A draft seemed unavoidable.
We didn't think that Bush would hire lawless mercinary thugs from around the world to defend America.

Every young republican has Blackwater to thank that they're tucked away safe in their frathouse basement getting paddled, instead of in Iraq fighting the war they support.

Wars are no longer fought by mases of soldiers on a field, but by a handful of warriors with superior technology.

The reality of the insurgency and "improvised explosive devices" make your "superior technology" arguement moot.

I guess now we are counting cans of "silly string" used by the infantry to spot trip wires as "superior technology".

Hagel's point is a good one. People don't pay attention to the shit that's going on unless it directly effects their lives. People would be a lot more cautious about war if we were to go back to a draft.

However, I am against a draft. I don't think people should be forced to fight wars they don't agree with. In fact, I think we need to tell all of our international troops to just pack their bags and come home. It seems to me that it would be a lot easier to protect our country by spending more time watching our borders instead of spreading our troops thin across the planet. Empires fall.

I am an active duty military member. First, I'd like to point out the vast majority of my fellow airmen are Republicans. So, it would seem the young Republicans are currently bearing the brunt of these wars already. (Not all Republicans are rich BTW.)

The American public would never go along with reviving the draft, it won't happen, and this is purely a political statement. Besides the last thing our troops need is to be counting on people who are doing their best to try to get discharged.

If our country wants more soldiers, they'll need to find new ways to entice them. An all volunteer force is subject to the forces of our capitalistic society after all.

****** Hagel: Draft May Be Unavoidable ******

....Bush and Cheney did a pretty good job.....

*****You dipshits who keep thinking about a draft are locked into a 1000-year-old fantasy. Wars are no longer fought by mases of soldiers on a field, but by a handful of warriors with superior technology.
VERNON****

.....and thats why we shocked & awed Iraq, won the war in four weeks, and brought all our troops home within six months of starting the war........

......damned your smart Vern..........

The draft would be good for a few reasons...

1. It would ensure we have a healthy military
**(no, it would ensure we had a lot of people who had no interest in being in it, being in it--one of the symptoms of this condition is Fragging )**
2. It would help prevent any more preemptive wars
**(no,leaders like Bush & Cheney would just attack more countries,having extra grunts around never stopped a war)**
3. Our young people are by and large spoiled and materialistic. The military would help instill discipline and a view of what the greater world is like. **(no, you would just have spoiled and materialistic soldiers--refer to Blackwater for description of same)**
4. It is a great equalizer in that it offers an opportunity for individuals to gain a sense of being one of many and a team player.**(no,forcing people into occupations they are not interested in is a form of slavery--we should try getting beyond forced servitude--not regressing into it)**

We should do it on general principles. It would make America a better country for future generations. **(no,if you want a better America, invest in public education )** Also, we wouldn't need mercenaries anymore **(that would you are correct about, but if we did not try to occupy a foreign country to steal its oil we would not need them anyways)**.

Posted by AMERICANUNITY

if anyone ever invades america i will gladly grab a gun and shoot to kill....but i would never go to someone elses country to kill them and force americas will on them....aint gonna happen!

"You dipshits who keep thinking about a draft are locked into a 1000-year-old fantasy. Wars are no longer fought by mases of soldiers on a field, but by a handful of warriors with superior technology."

Yes, we can blow shit up and kill people very easily now. Unfortunately, the moron-in-chief has engaged us in nation building exercises, which are labor intensive.

We don't need a bigger army. We need better leadership.

the last thing our troops need is to be counting on people who are doing their best to try to get discharged.


Millions of men served honorably and even with distinction under the draft. Some even volunteered for it because the enlistment was only two years rather than three or four.

Of course I don't remember the Air Farce drafting anyone.

No question, of course, that there is a confluence of ideology between the Republicans and the military in that each either imposes or favors an authoritarian social structure. Interesting that Ron Paul receives so much support from the military considering his libertarian views which are contrary to authoritarianism.

There are advantages to an all volunteer force. That was easy to see in the Submarine Navy where I served. People are always more motivated when they are doing something they want to do. It also reduces the cost of training because volunteers are more likely to remain in service.

But there are also advantages to a citizen army. One of them is that you have a larger percentage of the population that is trained in areas that relate to civil defense, first aid, as well as diversifying their social contacts.

We are now hiring civilian contractors to do what our military has always done. On the political side it helps to reduce the perceived "footprint" and of course we don't count casualties among the mercs.

But we pay for that illusion in real dollars.

503JC69, I couldn't agree more. I don't want other countries invading the US, so I don't think the US should be invading other countries unless it is absolutely necessary. At present we have no need to be anywhere outside of the United States, so we need to pack our bags and come home. Occupations are expensive, and the money would be more useful in the pockets of US citizens so as to keep the economy moving. But for some reason it seems more important to some people that we play policeman and consequently bankrupt our country.

Nice link AU

I am for the draft, crank it up! Let's all sacrifice and get this over with already. Lower enlistment age to 15 and up it to 65 for men and women. No deferments for anyone.

You know we need a draft but don't want one because people will question why we are in Iraq when thier kids have to go. And it would effectively end the war.

The draft unavoidable?

Ha. Just watch us.

Young Republican Chickenhawks, Bum Pimple Division.

AA -- Good points in your list. But, I think if it comes to shove, that a national public service requirement would be much more palatabe. Fire Depts, EMTs, Forest Services, Peace Corps, Americorps, and a dozen other public service organizations would like to have access to the pool of youth who don't now consider it wrthwhile to serve. Since compulsory military service might not go down as well as compulsory public service, IMHO, it will be a more popular piece of legislation.

I am for the draft, crank it up! Let's all sacrifice and get this over with already. Lower enlistment age to 15 and up it to 65 for men and women. No deferments for anyone.


Shit, would that mean that I could be drafted again?

A Draft Would Be Great And With "Zero" Defrements !!

The NEOCONS Love The Big War Talk As Long As Someone Else Fights The War, Wars Would Be Fought With More For Thought Or Not At All; If All Americans Served In The Military.

-Sarge

"First, I'd like to point out the vast majority of my fellow airmen are Republicans."
--FROSTY

No, no, the military is made up entirely of Democrats.

The NEOCONS Love The Big War Talk As Long As Someone Else Fights The War, Wars Would Be Fought With More For Thought Or Not At All; If All Americans Served In The Military.

As I said above, Sarge, there are other hypocrites aside from the chicken hawks who should have to serve. Those who like to take full advantage of their first ammendment rights to diss the very country that gives it to them. They should have to pay for that right by defending the country that provides it.

Bring the draft on, I say!

GOP Kids first!!!!

After all this IS their war.

A draft would end the war and prevent future ones.

Why?

If you believe the President doesn't listen to Congress, why would you give him more soldiers to use? Congress already gives him the money.

If you don't want war, you have to run out of soldiers and have no money.

Hagel's suggestion is making sure both exist.

If you institute the draft, it had better make women eligible, too.

Right now, it's still gender discrimination.

Let's make sure Chelsea and Jenna have front row seats.

GOP Kids first!!!!

After all this IS their war.


No, war protester's kids first to make sure their first ammendment rights are upheld so they can keep on protesting. I want to see an end to the war.

The draft would be good for a few reasons...

1. It would ensure we have a healthy military
2. It would help prevent any more preemptive wars
3. Our young people are by and large spoiled and materialistic. The military would help instill discipline and a view of what the greater world is like.
4. It is a great equalizer in that it offers an opportunity for individuals to gain a sense of being one of many and a team player.

We should do it on general principles. It would make America a better country for future generations. Also, we wouldn't need mercenaries anymore.

Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2007-11-08 01:50 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Hitler would have given you a medal for that speech.

"War is nothing noble or good; it's all about brutality and suffering, and that should frighten you and intimidate you into doing what's right, to prevent going to war."


Someone please tell that to our War President (and Vern.

No matter what the question is War is never the answer.

No matter what the question is War is never the answer.

Wisdom of the ages. We should've kept negotiating with Hitler. It's clear he would've come to his senses eventually and given back the Sudetenland, Poland, France after his little adventures were over.

Actually a draft may not be such a bad thing.
It would cause such an anti-war backlash that it might put an end to the war insanity.

Wars are no longer fought by mases of soldiers on a field, but by a handful of warriors with superior technology.

VERNON

That's what Rumsfeld thought too. Now, securing the country requires boots on the ground. We didn't have enough going in. Even Cheney said more than once after the 1991 Gulf War that we'd need 500,000 minimum. But, of course they thought technology would answer everything, and here we are 5 years later still stuck because they didn't listen to their own advice, nor that of Army Chief of Staff Shinseki, among others.

Afghanistan's another place we haven't secured for lack of boots on the ground.

The Bush Administration doesn't care about controlling the country or even occupying it, Iraq or Afghanistan. Securing the route and delivery systems for the oil/gas (respectively) which is the reason we went in the first place...

The placement of U.S. Military bases in Iraq are in very close proximity to all of the oil facilities, just as the bases in Afghanistan (coincidentally) follow the route of the proposed gas pipeline...

Occupation is messy, expensive and hard to control...

Chaos is messy, cheap and easy to control (in a limited area within the chaos). And easier to deny culpability for as-well...

I watched Hagel's speech. He read it, and frankly he's not good on the stump, but knows what he's talking about.

The Caspian Basin is the prize. The pipeline that runs out of Azer-by-john through Georgia into Turkey isn't enough. They need a southern route into India.

The oil companies have been working on this plan for 20 years. Money didn't work so now the bullet and the bomb.

"According to lectlaw.com[1], involuntary servitude is defined as servitude to a person, which excludes the US government and its political subdivisions"

Dragonlady, point taken. Interesting though that the US government exempts itself from it own founding principles.

"Seems to me that the only way to get out of this so-called war is to institute the draft once again."

Please explain how throwing even more gas on the fire is going to put it out?

Zot scratche head, "Please explain how throwing even more gas on the fire is going to put it out?"

Because the puling liberal will take to the streets in riot! None of them are patriots and don't want any part of defending this nation ... only turn it into a free lunch and abortion clinic ...

Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel.
Thomas Paine

Patriotism is the willingness to kill and be killed for trivial reasons.
Bertrand Russell

Totalitarianism is patriotism institutionalized.
Steven Allen

Dissent is the highest form of patriotism.
Tom Paine

Tad...you are a gullible fool being manipulated by criminals who laugh at you behind your back...for verification of this fact...please read the book "Tempting Faith"....and have a good weekend.

Skizz makes me the subject, "Tad...you are a gullible fool being manipulated by criminals who laugh at you behind your back...for verification of this fact...please read the book "Tempting Faith"....and have a good weekend."

Too funny! There isn't one of you that will disrespect taxes, the IRS and our tyrannical government and courts as I've done, here! Even if you believe that taxes are a subversion of the constitution ... you aren't speaking out. But, I'm the one being manipulated by government!?!

I know no one believes me, but I surely love this attention!

Here's your chance -- CALL THE IRS AND TURN ME IN!

Eh? Better than whining to Rogers and continuing to ask him to ban me ... right?

BTW, as an ol' fart, I'm hoping to be selected to a Grand Jury ...

The first tax case I hear, I'll nullify with questions of jurisdiction and distraint ...

I hope, I hope, I hope I'm selected ...

"...don't want any part of defending this nation ..."

Posted by tadowe

I have yet to get a rational explanation as to what we are defending in the ME. Either this administration has gone totally wobbly, or there are a lot of things that we are not being told.

I hope, I hope, I hope I'm selected ...

Sorry to burst the burgeoning bubble, but even a first-year prosecutor will ask the question that will---if answered truthfully---get you bumped. Weeding out the nut cases is something they get to right off the bat.

I hope, I hope, I hope I'm selected ...


Not to make this about you or anything, but...



It's been "pretty well confirmed"...



You're hopeless.

Doc displays some callowness, "Sorry to burst the burgeoning bubble, but even a first-year prosecutor will ask the question that will---if answered truthfully---get you bumped. Weeding out the nut cases is something they get to right off the bat."

So? I should be honest and lose the chance to nullify some federal tyrant prosecutor?

You are a bit naive, eh?

So? I should be honest and lose the chance to nullify some federal tyrant prosecutor?
You are a bit naive, eh?
Posted by tadowe

No, Tad, please, please, for Pete's sake, puhleeze lie to the federal prosecutor so you can get on the jury. Then, since you're so principled, such a paragon of honesty, make sure you go up to that prosecutor after the verdict is announced and tell him or her exactly what you did and why.

That way you can kill two birds with one stone: perform an act of jury nullification and get the wish you've expressed on the Snipes thread: "Make me a local celebrity and allow me to question jurisdiction and distraint -- muzzle me finally and chain me to a chair?"

Ecce homo! Behold, Tad, the Paris Hilton of Supermax!

*** But, I'm the one being manipulated by government!?!***

Tad.....yes....you are.....every point sails over your head as if you were at snail level, so a tete a tete is difficult to hold.......however.......

......a call to patriotism by this administration is a call for gullible dim-wits to dig their latrines.......our founding fathers understood that, even if you don't......

......happy shovelling........

"The first tax case I hear, I'll nullify with questions of jurisdiction and distraint ..."

LOL. I hope you are selected too!

Hagel is the worst thing for the Democratic party. He is senile and power hunger and does not care about solving any problems

Harrier, do you think Chuck Hagel is a Democrat?

The draft WILL be avoidable; for the rich and well connected.

A draft would be good for our youth. Everyone should serve when they're young. I like the Israeli model...
Posted by laylakerunner

>>>Yeh....America should strive to be like the Israelis.
(sarcastic)

No matter what the question is War is never the answer.

Wisdom of the ages. We should've kept negotiating with Hitler. It's clear he would've come to his senses eventually and given back the Sudetenland, Poland, France after his little adventures were over.

Posted by goatman at 2007-11-08 05:41 PM

Goatman violates Godwins law...hence forfeits the argument!

But, Ok I'll byte. So, tell me Goatman, you think there was no way to stop Hitler without war? I disagree. It was possible. Just not probable. It was not about "negotiating" it was about standing up for human rights and forcing Germany to behave as a Nation. But, it takes a World to prevent a World War.

I would relate that to the Iranian situation or any other Nation that routinely violates human rights and threatens the stability of its neighbors. If we as individuals and the World Community would stand up to Tyranny at the start then Tyranny would not have a chance to metastasize into the Cancer that is War.

But, since you have been Brainwashed into believing that War is the Answer by the Lunatic in Chief there is probably no convincing you of this.

If we as individuals and the World Community would stand up to Tyranny at the start then Tyranny would not have a chance to metastasize into the Cancer that is War

We'll run around and stick daisies in their rifle barrels and sing Joan Baez songs. If it works, I'm all for it.

But, since you have been Brainwashed into believing that War is the Answer by the Lunatic in Chief there is probably no convincing you of this.

Just for the record, I've been brainwashed by history, not the LiC.

TADOWE ... "Because the puling liberal will take to the streets in riot! None of them are patriots and don't want any part of defending this nation ... only turn it into a free lunch and abortion clinic"

Liberal America would be glad to defend the nation, however don't want to be yanked around by false Nationalism to fight a war for the Global Corporate Fascist regime. The Republicans don't mind because they and their children won't be fighting it ... They never do ... "None of them are patriots and don't want any part of defending this nation" ... They just want to sit in their barricaded shiny cell, hide out from Bin Laden and count their dividends ...

The need for a draft in the United States would be stark evidence of how much the world has changed since the end of the Cold War. In fact, it might be a portent of a far greater change in world military and economic reality than most of us (who tend to fixate on individuals details as opposed to the Big Picture) realize. Just six years ago the notion of a draft was unimaginable. Now, with fires burning (or at least smoking) throughout the world, we as Americans are forced to seriously consider taking extraordinary steps to expand our Military. We are forced to contemplate an endless series of wars in areas both identified and unidentified. We are being stretched to our limits on a planet where our designation as "superpower" no longer carries with it the same assumptions of invincibility.

"Just for the record, I've been brainwashed by history, not the LiC."

You think histoy bears out that every two-bit dictator becomes Hitler?

C'mon.

I'm not against all wars. But I'm against pointless, self destructive wars. Natioal interests are not being served in Iraq.

You think histoy bears out that every two-bit dictator becomes Hitler?

No, but it bears out that appeasement never works with dictators.

Natioal interests are not being served in Iraq.

Of course they're not.

"No, but it bears out that appeasement never works with dictators."

But as he wasn't doing anything that threatened us in any way, how would leaving him to his own devices qualify as appeasement?