Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Wednesday, November 07, 2007

Hillary Rodham Clinton's lead nationally and in New Hampshire appears to have slipped following her shaky performance in last week's Democratic debate, according to several polls this week. "When a candidate has a bad moment that tends to shake off loose support," pollster Scott Rasmussen said.

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And so it begins.

Taxman, not that I support her, but I find it simply amazing watching how things have been playing out since the last debate. Just today I read an article about the Clinton camp being none to happy with Bill for saying she is being "swiftboated" The MSM is really on her tail.

Hillary is now caught in a Catch-22 of her own making. Even as she tries to dig herself out of the hole she put herself in last week, she continues to waffle and not give substantive answers saying where she really stands, leading to headlines such as this:

Hillary the Hedgehog

time-blog.com

The MSM is really on her tail.

Thye started gunning for her over two weeks ago even before the debate. You could see this was going to happen from all the little snide remarks they making about Hillary's "invincibility".

You could see this was going to happen from all the little snide remarks they making about Hillary's "invincibility".
Posted by Bowa

I figured they would, but I thought she would handle it much better than she has. She isn't a button on Bill's shirt when it comes to running a campaign. Of course his "swiftboat" comments show that he has been retired from the game for quite awhile...


Funny how nuance has become a four-letter word to some Dems.

We all know the world is black and white, with no grey areas in-between.

The response in that vid is quite substantive. It just isn't the simplistic yes or no answer that simple, or partisan, minds require.

-The MSM is really on her tail.

The race wasn't going to be a hit rating wise unless the press could make it bloodier by bashing the frontrunner and giving Obama a pass.



If she had said in the first place in the debate:

"Immigration issues and decisions should be taken by the Federal government, not the States", she would be off the hook.

Corky, that's baloney and you know it. She gives the MSM a dose of new material on a daily basis.


lmao!!

That is exactly what she said.

The race wasn't going to be a hit rating wise unless the press could make it bloodier by bashing the frontrunner and giving Obama a pass.

Excuses, excuses - It isn't Hil's fault people are turned off by her it is the media's fault for giving Obama a free pass. It seems to me the media were all over Obama at the beginning of this process but he has honed his skills and is becoming quite the candidate. Maybe Hil will take the VP slot.

BTW she caused this by playing the gender card. I don't know whose idea it was, but it is most likely going to cost her the nomination.

The race wasn't going to be a hit rating wise unless the press could make it bloodier by bashing the frontrunner and giving Obama a pass.

Excuses, excuses - It isn't Hil's fault people are turned off by her it is the media's fault for giving Obama a free pass. It seems to me the media were all over Obama at the beginning of this process but he has honed his skills and is becoming quite the candidate. Maybe Hil will take the VP slot.

BTW she caused this by playing the gender card. I don't know whose idea it was, but it is most likely going to cost her the nomination.

-but it is most likely going to cost her the nomination.

At least it hasn't generated nonsensical hyperbole.

So much for Corky's "I'll back whichever candidate has the best chance of winning" bullshit.

No exagerating here Corky. People are sick of the "oh the big bad men are picking on me" excuse. If she doesn't realize that many of the world leaders she will be dealing with are men who are chauvinists then she isn't as bright you think she is. She won't be able to walk out of a meeting with Putin and say "it isn't fair, I am just a woman."

"it isn't fair, I am just a woman."

Thats whats killing her. Can you imagine Margaret Thatcher, Indira Ghandi or Golda Meir saying that. Nope, they lead.

Of course Corky says we are exagerating, Lee, but that is the way she is coming across and it could be a fatal mistake for her campaign. Another thing that cannot happen is Bill coming to her defense every time she is attacked, it makes her look weak.

This should help...

Hillary Clinton faces sensational claims from another woman in Bill's past

www.dailymail.co.uk

"it isn't fair, I am just a woman."

Something she never said.

What she said was that she was targeted because she was the front-runner, not because she was a woman.

That her supporters couldn't resist cementing some women's votes by alluding to gender may or may not work in her favor in the long run.


OF course, if you want to put your money where your mouth is, you can go here and check the stock values....


www.intrade.com

"To have the former president come out and suggest this is a form of swiftboating ... is way over the top in my view," Dodd said in a telephone interview.

"If elected to the presidency, there will be a lot of tough questions and if you can't handle it in a debate without accusing everybody who has an issue with you of piling on or a sexist attack, somehow, first of all that's unwise and, secondly, it's false," Dodd said.


Corky it is sad that your only defense is intrade. I would bet that Dean's numbers looked like Hillary's in 2004 as well.

"To have the former president come out and suggest this is a form of swiftboating ... is way over the top in my view," Dodd said in a telephone interview.

"If elected to the presidency, there will be a lot of tough questions and if you can't handle it in a debate without accusing everybody who has an issue with you of piling on or a sexist attack, somehow, first of all that's unwise and, secondly, it's false," Dodd said.


Corky it is sad that your only defense is intrade. I would bet that Dean's numbers looked like Hillary's in 2004 as well.



Is this a two-fer post day for you?

-your only defense is intrade

Well, if you are right you can make some big bucks, eh?

What I can't believe is all those idiots putting their money is such a poor stock as Hil

What's worse is all those foolish New Yorkers, including upstaters, who elected her in a landslide after her first term as Sen.

Those people have no sense at all!

I figured they would, but I thought she would handle it much better than she has.

I agree. Had she laughed (cackled?) and just said it was not one of her best performances the day after the debate this all would have blown over by now.

Mrs. Clinton's ratings drag among better-educated, higher-income voters. Her favorable rating drops 9 points, from 43 percent to 34 percent, among voters who have been to college, compared with those who have not.
Similarly, 41 percent of registered voters with annual household incomes less than $75,000 express a favorable view of Mrs. Clinton, but just 31 percent of those earning more agree. More than half of higher-income voters questioned view Mrs. Clinton unfavorably.

Had she laughed (cackled?) and just said it was not one of her best performances the day after the debate this all would have blown over by now.


Posted by Bowa

Very true. Bill has given new legs to this by sticking his nose in it. I betcha there's hell to pay at Camp Clinton.

Uh-oh, the circular firing squad in Camp Clinton has now formed:

A senior adviser to Sen. Clinton's campaign, speaking only on condition of anonymity, said the former president's remarks were not part of campaign strategy and in fact were considered counterproductive by the her advisers.

talkingpointsmemo.com


So much for Corky's "I'll back whichever candidate has the best chance of winning" bullshit.

Posted by wisgod at 2007-11-07 11:23 AM | Reply


A diversion. Blog Chick serves only one GOD.

Tony, I read that story this morning. That campaign is in total disarray. As if she didn't allow Bill to make the statement in the first place.

A senior adviser to Sen. Clinton's campaign, speaking only on condition of anonymity, said the former president's remarks were not part of campaign strategy and in fact were considered counterproductive by the her advisers

"speaking only on condition of anonymity"

Uh-oh. Seems like there is a bit of mutiny going on in Hillary's camp.

Talk about a paper tiger. Let's face it, the questions at the debate Hillary flubbed were rather mild given the hardball politics we've come to expect in the race for President.

If she can't handle the heat from the the likes of Russert or her opponents, then she certainly can't handle the heat of being President.

Time to put Corky on suicide watch!

Poll: Statistically Tied Democratic Race In Iowa
By Eric Kleefeld - November 7, 2007, 3:00PM

The new Zogby poll in Iowa shows the Democratic race to be a close one between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama -- and when the 4.5% margin of error is figured in, it's a tight race between all top three Dems:

Clinton 28%
Obama 25%
Edwards 21%
Richardson 9%


tpmelectioncentral.com

Heheheheheh...you're a bad man TonyR.



You are the one worshipping every word and phrase written about your Lord Obama.

Iowa has always been close. Edwards was leading at one time and Hil has only recently led.

Iowa, having never sent a woman to Congress in their history, was always a tough bet for Clinton.

But then, she's not the one that so desperately needs to win this caucus that she accuses her "friend" of being dishonest and untrustworthy.

That would be Obama and his tag-team partner Edwards.

btw- the only "suicide watch" you might consider in regards to Iowa would be yours or Edwards.

Clinton doesn't have to win there, one of them does. And any moment now they are going to realize that and go after each other.


I find it funny, too, that your Reichwing echo chamber attempts to validate Rethug talking points about Clinton has brought you such admiration from Rethug trolls.

You deserve every bit of it.

"Reichwing." "Rethug." You lefties have neologisms down pat. No one can rival you when it comes to such innovation. And you're great with slogans too.

How about one for Ms Hillary. "Vote for Hillary and also get Billary."

Ms Hillary doesn't have a viable rival in sight despite what happens in any of the early states. Who is there on the horizon now vying for the Democrat nomination. There's self-admitted drug-addled Barack Hussein Obama, who also has an Islamic background and now belongs to a black separatist church, and the other potential candidate, the tool of Mr. Soros, Mr. Edwards, who seems himself to have no substance. Unless there is someone in the wings, Ms Hillary is a shoo-in.

Even though she's a malignancy on the political scene, of the three, I'd vote for her.

I find it funny, too, that your Reichwing echo chamber attempts to validate Rethug talking points about Clinton has brought you such admiration from Rethug trolls.

You deserve every bit of it.

Posted by Corky at 2007-11-07 04:38


Don't confused admiration with amusement at the war of words between you and TR.

Don't forget, we are all secretly spying for Karl Rove, so don't be surprised to see some of your repartee reappear when either Obama or Clinton gets the nomination.

:^)

I'm sorry that your backing of a candidate that doesn't have the experience, temperment or judgment to be the President of the United States has you in such a sour mood when the truth finally becomes known. The lies that Hillary told about Obama have come back to bite her on the ass and all you do is complain about the fact that even the conservatives on this blog and across America are more apt to support Obama than Hillary by margins of 2-3 to 1.

Obama speaks the truth and Hillary speaks in riddles and obfuscations. Everything you've stated were mistakes by Obama have now become reasons why Americans are moving in his direction, including the driver's license issue from the debate. Guess what? Edwards has changed his position and no one yet can figure out where Hillary really stands, but Obama hasn't wavered because he realizes that America has a problem that isn't going away because people don't like the idea of illegals being in this nation.

The Xenophobic Democratic Party?

The one candidate who spoke clearly and correctly on this issue was Barack Obama. He explained very well why offering dirvers licenses to undocumented aliens is good policy. He refused to pander to the xenophobia still present in the Democratic Party. Good for Obama. I hope he sticks to it in the face of this ugly side of the Democratic Party:

Fifty-one percent (51%) of Democratic Primary voters believe that when police pull someone over for a traffic violation, they should automatically check to see if the driver is in the country illegally. Thirty-eight percent (38%) believe that illegal immigrants discovered in this manner should be deported while 31% disagree. Half (51%) believe that such a policy invites discrimination.

It is interestng that Senator Clinton took heat on this as her initial answer was rather vacillating. She later clarified her support for the policy. My candidate, Chris Dodd, gave a clear, and atrocious, answer.

For me personally, the clear winner on this issue is Barack Obama. The clear losers are my candidate Chris Dodd and especially the doubletalking John Edwards.


www.talkleft.com

And this is from a Dodd supporter. Go figure.

Senator Obama tells FOX NEWS:

'I think there's no doubt that we represent the kind of change that Senator Clinton can't deliver on and part of it is generational. Senator Clinton and others, they've been fighting some of the same fights since the '60's and it makes it very difficult for them to bring the country together to get things done.'


"I think very highly of Hillary. The more I get to know her, the more I admire her. I think she's one of the most disciplined people I know. She's one of the toughest. She's got an extraordinary intelligence, and she's somebody who's in this stuff for the right reasons. She's passionate about moving the country forward on issues like health care and children." -- Barack Obama


How times change!


But, according to TR, she is a no-good NeoCon puppet, unfit to be President.

Wish you guys would get your stories straight.

"It was a mistake to have been engaged with him [Antoin Rezko] at all in this or any other personal business dealing that would allow him, or anyone else, to believe that he had done me a favor" -- Barack Obama

"There's no doubt that this was a mistake on my part. 'Boneheaded' would be accurate. There's no doubt I should have seen some red flags in terms of me purchasing a piece of property from him." - Barack Obama

www.realchange.org

Corky, two words: White Water

- The lies that Hillary told about Obama

Link, please?

Or is this another idiotic move like accusing people of racism and plagiarism, eh?


-Don't forget, we are all secretly spying for Karl Rove, so don't be surprised to see some of your repartee reappear when either Obama or Clinton gets the nomination.


It's no secret, ROC.

Some people are just willing to demonize candidates of their own Party to the point of validating GOP talking points.

Some are not.



I'm afraid that was one word, Tax.

But if you want another shot at looking stupid, be my guest. It won't be anything new.

Thank you Corky for pointing out another obvious difference between Obama and Senator Clinton. Obama recognizes too late that he was dealing with a disreputable person, then apologizes for making such a mistake. Hillary doesn't have the strength of character to even admit she's mispoken, much less made a mistake of judgment.

I've seen Barack Obama's show. I've seen the crowds. I've seen the audacity. I've seen the hope. I knew what to expect Tuesday night at his event at Kirkwood Community College in Cedar Rapids, and yet after it was over I was still impressed. He was funny and passionate, and he connected with his big audience. When he left the stage, the room was on its feet and chanting with him. Nothing like that happened during the two days I followed Hillary Clinton. Her performances were solid and her audiences were enthusiastic, but they didn't interrupt her with applause the way they did with Obama.

A talented candidate works with the rhythm of an audience, taking it through a range of emotions--humor, passion, and anger. If the candidate does it right, the room feels more committed at the end of the event than during the opening jokes. That's what it was like when Obama spoke.


www.slate.com

Corky, be sure and have someone put away all the sharp objects in your home. We wouldn't want anything to happen to you.

Link, please?

Or is this another idiotic move like accusing people of racism and plagiarism, eh?


I'm not repeating myself for your edification. She called Obama "naive and inexperienced" and then adopted the very same policy toward Iran herself!

So that is a LIE, plain and simple. I've posted the information that Obama experience far exceeds Hillary's in almost every single area of government except he isn't married to a former President. Look it up yourself. Trust me, you're going to have plenty of time very, very soon.

For me personally, the clear winner on this issue is Barack Obama. The clear losers are my candidate Chris Dodd and especially the doubletalking John Edwards.

And this is from a Dodd supporter. Go figure.

Posted by tonyroma

HAHA!!! Funny Flag. Oh my God that really is funny. Thanks TR. No wonder Dodd is losing.

Corky, the rightwing dodge has worn thin. Hillary is being challenged over who she is and what she isn't capable of doing, namely being straight with the American people. Her careful calculations and parsing are becoming millstones around her neck. She needs to stop worrying about the general election because her only role will be in helping elect Barack Obama.

The Democratic Party is waking up to a fact that obliterates your lie: Obama is far more popular with conservatives who are sick and tired of the Republicans than is Hillary. Every single poll shows it, and Hillary's support amongst educated women has already started its inevitable decline.

If I were you I wouldn't be purchasing any stock in Hillary. Just like your premature crowing last week about her numbers increasing after the debate, all indicators for Hillary are headed down and even Bill won't be able to save her. She's shown the Republicans that she's vunerable and they smell blood. And the worst part is she did it to herself.

Hillary gives Republicans license to attack

But damage has been done to the front-runner. A wound has been opened, a slow hemorrhaging has commenced, even if Democrats don't notice.

Over on the other side of the aisle, Republicans see the crimson trail - and smell blood. So they sit back and wait, until the general election.

www.newsday.com

We're not letting Hillary take down the party Corky, nor should we.



ROFLMFAO!!!

Now saying that, in her opinion, Obama was "naive and inexperienced", is a lie???


They farther you go, the behinder you get.


I thought twice about starting to defend Clinton when you went negative with your barrage of attack threads, but, clearly my dear Anthony, you have gone far off the deep end yet again, and I think you may want to consider just going back to yelling at your TV in the privacy of your own home.

Senator Obama tells FOX NEWS:

'I think there's no doubt that we represent the kind of change that Senator Clinton can't deliver on and part of it is generational. Senator Clinton and others, they've been fighting some of the same fights since the '60's and it makes it very difficult for them to bring the country together to get things done.'

Posted by kerrin57


Obama talking to Fox News?? Wow.

My mistake on Whitewater being one word but it still doesn't detract from the fact that Hill and Co. were involved in much bigger real estate blunder than the one you keep on harping Obama on.

PS way to resort to name calling, you must really be upset.

"I think very highly of Hillary. The more I get to know her, the more I admire her. I think she's one of the most disciplined people I know. She's one of the toughest. She's got an extraordinary intelligence, and she's somebody who's in this stuff for the right reasons. She's passionate about moving the country forward on issues like health care and children." -- Barack Obama

It just needed to be said again, lol.


They farther you go, the behinder you get.

You should know...you jumped off the deep end months ago!

The tv is telling me that Obama is gaining strength and Hillary is dropping support. Nothing to scream about Corky. Now you, on the other hand, need to lock your medicine cabinet and let a responsible adult hold the key. We couldn't laugh without you!



Saying you may want to take another shot at looking stupid isn't name calling.

If you want name-calling, just click TR's handle.

He has become quite expert at in in the face of being unable to come up with rational retorts.

-Now saying that, in her opinion, Obama was "naive and inexperienced", is a lie???


Would you care to 'splain that for me again, Lucy?

I sorta missed it among the all the convolution last time.....

He has become quite expert at in in the face of being unable to come up with rational retorts.

Now that's funny, did it have a repeat copy and paste added to it.



If it didn't it would be the only one.

-We couldn't laugh without you!


Entertaining you and your trollish rightwing friends is only one of the perks in this job.


Corky, everyone here sees you support Hillary not by talking about her attributes but by trying to impugn the integrity, experience, electability and every other thing you think of to deflect from the reasons her campaign has started its downward arc.

Obama's greatest tribute to Senator Clinton was in stating she's a fine advocate for the people of New York. His entire campaign rests upon why he's the better person to lead America forward, not back into the cesspool of sniping and partisan vitriole that was the Clinton presidency personified. Were the attacks unwarranted? Somewhat, but that doesn't matter does it? Who wants to revisit that bullshit again for the sake of elevating Hillary into the White House?

I'm sorry that her campaign no longer has a foundation. She's followed every other Dem with coming forth with detailed plans, and she still cannot explain her positions without a mountain of caveats tied to them. This isn't name-calling, its an issue based critique, something you are inherently unable to do based upon provable facts, not just your unfounded and overtly biased opinions.

tonyroma has left the building. See you all on Friday.

I find the democratic party supporters humorous at this time, they bash at each other of their candidates.

Why not focus on the similarities, not the candidates differences.

I do see closeness in Obama and Edwards, but Hillary is way of the chart in correcting what is really hurting America.

Corky, I find it interesting that you don't see this. All the things you have pushed over the last several years are not something Hillary is going to correct but yet you have thrown you hand in with her. Hillary is a republican in a a a um what could be maybe considered a dress.

-Who wants to revisit that bullshit again

Afraid of the GOP, eh?

Well, you needn't be.

That is all old boring news that even this media will not re-run. People are tired of it, don't believe it, and don't want to hear it yet again.

Now, Obama on the other hand, there is some nice red meat for the GOP Swift-boat grill.

Drugs, crime connections, Manchurian candidates, madrases, illegitimate black babies..... whatever other slander they can think of and a real voting record more liberal than Dennis K, fer cryin out loud!

Now, I know you care more about your candidate winning the Primary than the Dem Party winning the general election, but please......

Some people are just willing to demonize candidates of their own Party to the point of validating GOP talking points.

Posted by Corky at 2007-11-07 05:24 PM


My post was meant to be humorous, but since you addressed it seriously doesn't "validate a talking point" mean that the "Demonization" is tending to make the particular talking point true?

-Hillary is a republican

"I think very highly of Hillary. The more I get to know her, the more I admire her. I think she's one of the most disciplined people I know. She's one of the toughest. She's got an extraordinary intelligence, and she's somebody who's in this stuff for the right reasons. She's passionate about moving the country forward on issues like health care and children." -- Barack Obama


Hillary was left of Bill, total Wash outsiders when they went there.

She hasn't turned into the rightwing jackal Tony portrays. If she had, all those liberal NY'ers that elected her in a landslide to a second term would not have done so.

What she is is someone who knows that no matter how idealistic or progressive one's policies may be, nothing happens in Wash without Repub votes, and it takes a moderate to get those.

Just the facts, man.

-tending to make the particular talking point true?

Yeah, whether it is or not.

Perception counts.

Corky then Pray tell how do You reconcil the fact that Hillary Clinton was a GoldWater Gal. Not to mention Her time spent in Washington DC with regards to the Nixon situation. Hillary IS a Republican the ONLY things She is "Left" on is Social things such as Women's lib and those sorts of things.

Larry Mohr

Now, I know you care more about your candidate winning the Primary than the Dem Party winning the general election, but please......

Ignorance has no bounds. I now understand why Ray doesn't vote, he sees these kind of posts and knows the country is headed into the shitter.

Is this about party???? Is this about electing the best individual person who will represent the wishes of the America people.

Every time I hear statements like above I cringe and it makes me run from anything having to do with such thought and PARTY.

Hillary is a fraud. She doesn't even hold fast to Her beliefs. The Illegal Alien Drivers License question bears this out.

Larry Mohr

Clinton doesn't have to win there, one of them does.
Posted by the Corky
(who is in charge of her pantsuits)

You have earned the award of being the October "Tool of the Month" And you have a huge lead in November...

Sincerely, Snap-on Tools, Inc.

Snap-on Tools, Inc.....is Billy Jean King still there spokesperson?

Did Rudy give Pat Robertson a Snap-on-Tool?

Or was it vice-versa?

WisGod how DARE You equate the Grand Brand Snap-On Tools to Corky. He is maybe a CRAFTSMAN tool at best or a Buffalo Brand Tool at the worst. Snap-On Tools declare QUALITY. No Quality can be declared for being a Hillary Tool.

Larry Mohr

Good... It's about time people realize that Hillary is an inferior candidate. While I'm not an Obama fan, I'd much rather see him win over Clinton. We need to get away from this bullshit and move towards something else. Bill Clinton wasn't the worst president we've had, but we could do far better, so let's fucking do it...

No, Corky follows in the line of Kobalt tools.


Corky, two words: White Water

Posted by taxman at 2007-11-07 05:24 PM


Maybe she could missplace Bill then have him turn up a couple of years from now.
Oh wait I forgot she likes to goose him forward when she gets in trouble.


WisGod how DARE You equate the Grand Brand Snap-On Tools to Corky. He is maybe a CRAFTSMAN tool at best or a Buffalo Brand Tool at the worst. Snap-On Tools declare QUALITY. No Quality can be declared for being a Hillary Tool.

Larry Mohr

Posted by LarryMohr

My bad. Ok Cresant, Inc. The original creators of the "Monkey Wrench".

Hillary IS a Republican the ONLY things She is "Left" on is Social things such as Women's lib and those sorts of things.

Larry Mohr



No Lar, But she is a neocon. Look it up and give a read. The far left has tried to turn it into a repub/conservative thing... and yes the neocons did migrate to the repub party. It began with liberals who thought we were being too weak on defense ...but they are in no way conservative on the social agenda...on that they are still liberals. Hence we get the tax and spend wing of the repub party...often called rino by true conservatives.

LAR...I meant to also say you were RIGHT on the neocon thing. She doesn't want the left to know she is a hawk (which I think is good), and like you said she is very liberal(to the point of socialism) on the social issues.

Wis didn't your mean....Monkey Wench ?


Wis didn't your mean....Monkey Wench ?

Posted by kerrin57

Thanks for the first laugh of the day.

If the MSM is on her tail, it's only to kiss it.
Nothing has changed. The party still belongs to Clinton/Soros.

Here comes Porky with some poll that doesn't take into effect NH but is instead a national poll.

BTW:

In Rasmussen's previous four Granite State polls this year Clinton's support had never fallen below 37 percent. Today, Clinton finds herself with 34 percent of support among likely Democratic primary voters. Obama follows with the backing of 24 percent of the state's electorate, and John Edwards trails in third at 15 percent.

Here comes Porky with some poll that doesn't take into effect NH but is instead a national poll.

Posted by taxman

And the headline doesn't link to the story. Hhmmmm.....

"The front runner for the White House carried on munching as she urged onlookers inside the eatery just off Route 30 to sample what Iowans regard as classic fare. "It's good, you should try it," she enthused. "It's got mustard in it and a tomato-based sauce."

She leaned forward as her waitress Anita Esterday explained that she was a single mother and nurse who did two jobs to raise her sons and could not afford medical insurance. Mrs Clinton nodded sympathetically and told her: "I'm proud of you."

www.telegraph.co.uk


I heard a brief interview with Anita Esterday on NPR's Morning Edition today. Apparently, this brief visit with Mrs. Clinton has not changed her life in a good way and Ms. Esterday says she doesn't think Mrs. Clinton was able to truly identify with her problems. She got a lot of publicity she wasn't really looking for, her boss at ther other job cut her hours (presumably because of anti-Clinton feelings) and amazingly - despite Anita's pouring out her heart about her tough life - NOBODY in the Clinton entourage even left her a TIP! I scratch my head.

"- despite Anita's pouring out her heart about her tough life - NOBODY in the Clinton entourage even left her a TIP! I scratch my head."

You don't understand, MRFAIR. These people are compassionate, generous, and understanding. They want to give Anita LOTS of things..."FREE" things...paid for with YOUR money.

NOBODY in the Clinton entourage even left her a TIP! I scratch my head."

I think Hillary left a priceless tip....Don't vote for me.

Clinton will have to brush up on Foreign Affairs. She thinks "Tipping" is a place in China.

She thinks "Tipping" is a place in China.

Posted by MrFair

Or "tipping" is what Randi Rhodes does...

Another fear is that Democrats, particularly in the states with early primaries, could panic about Mrs Clinton's electability. Though Mr Obama is far behind her in polls for the primaries, he fares as well as she does in the hypothetical general-election match-ups against Mr Giuliani--and does better against other Republicans, including Mitt Romney and Fred Thompson. One intriguing poll lists candidates from both parties, and asks how voters would choose between them all. Voters put Mr Obama just on top--ahead of the front-runners for both parties.

economist.com

What was that about Obama's electability as compared to the other candidates? Cat got your Vernon-math Corky?


- Obama's electability

Things change. Especially for people who throw rocks when they live in glass houses.....

www.drudge.com

(Obama does well against Fred Thompson.....hahhahhaha!)

From the horses mouth..."I wasn't at my best"


www.breitbart.tv

in other words...oooppps ..you caught me.

You are a shill without a shread of dignity Corky. You continue to post misleading and outright false stories as though they make your corrupt candidate the norm when the fact is Hillary has collected more money than any other candidate of either party from the very coporatist/oligarchist groups the Democratic Party has to divorce from the public trough so that common citizens can have their concerns addressed once again, as our government should.

This post is a special shoutout to Lynn Sweet at the Chicago Sun-Times and other media journalists who don't seem to understand that this is a Democratic primary where informing voters about candidates' records relative to each other will help them better decide which candidate will actually bring about the most change.

Here are the differences between Obama and Clinton on transparency and ethics reform. If I missed anything let me know.


thinkonthesethings.wordpress.c
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And more Republicans continue to join in supporting Obama:

"With all of the challenges our country faces, we cannot elect a President who will go to Washington and just get bogged down by the same partisan gridlock," Brett Blix said. "That's why I'm supporting Senator Obama even though I'm a Republican. He's the only candidate in either party with a record of bringing Republicans and Democrats together to solve problems, and he will always tell you where he stands even when you disagree. There are thousands of disaffected Republicans like me who are disappointed by President Bush and the Republican presidential candidates who would consider voting for a Democrat who can bring about change we can believe in."

Yet another illustration of why Hillary's Washington entrenchment isn't necessarily the experience we should be looking for.


camperky.typepad.com

One note Corky again hits another clinker!

Or "tipping" is what Randi Rhodes does...
Posted by wisgod


Randi Rhode-Hard-And-Put-Away-Wet


How fucking funny is it that TR can't bring himself to retort to a story on the story thread??

lmfao!

And.... instead of retorting the article, or even bashing the writer, I am the boogie man!

You should have your own show, Tone.

You could call it, "Me, Me, ME!!"

It would be interesting if she begins to implode. She certainly has the potential if she continues to portray the appearance she is not listening and engage-just putting out her message

You should have your own show, Tone.
You could call it, "Me, Me, ME!!"

Posted by Corky at 2007-11-08 12:12

It would still beat you show which is the lowest rated of all called "Hillary, Billary, Sillary" and your favorite spinoff which is written, produced and starred in by Corky called "Whaaaa, Whaaaaaaa and MORE Whaaaaaaaaaaaaa"

Hillary Clinton's entire campaign is an affront to democracy. The whole idea of democracy is for citizens to freely vote on the candidate based on their political positions. The problem with Hillary is that she does not want to state a position on anything remotely controversial for fear that it might hurt her campaign. She wants to be able play both sides of the fence. She is basically a political fraud.

How can anyone in good conscience vote for someone for President when you don't know what they believe?



Very clever, Ride.

I particularly like your juxtaposition of elucidation and alliteration at the nexus of cranial deportment and vaginal fluid.

You should be graduating 3rd grade any year now.




UTAStiff still thinks nuance is a four-letter word.


This should help...

Hillary Clinton faces sensational claims from another woman in Bill's past

www.dailymail.co.uk

Posted by wisgod at 2007-11-07 12:17 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusiv
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This ranks right up there with Dubya deliberatly allowing 9-11 to happen..
gimme a fuckin' break

They made Bush possible and they hate Hillary and they are loosing.

Go, Hillary, Go.

a bumper sticker that I juts have to find

a pic of hillary on the right and on the left it says.


life is a bitch
dont vote for one

but dems and libs have more to worry about..
report yesterday about the men with masks shooting into the larger and larger crowds of chavez demonstrators..
so if libs keep reveling in chavez, then they must support the shooting of antichavez demonstrators.

BLT, who likes Chavez? I don't get on here enough to notice. Or are you talking about ALL libs? I heard again in 2006 that ALL the libs are gonna take away our guns.

Hillary's stumble is great news. Many people hate Hillary on the Dem side. I think they are looking for a reason to get excited about Obama again. Maybe I need to make a donation.

If we have to choose between Hillary and Guliani we are screwed. Geez, our system gets worse and worse every year. Our partisan system takes out all moderates from getting a chance at the WH.

If Hillary wins the dynasty continues.

-If Hillary wins the dynasty continues.


Let me ask you respectfully, Ben, what was it about the policies that gave us the relative competence, peace, and prosperity of the Clinton Years that did you not like?

"relative competence..."

I'll give you that. Relative is the right word. Clinton was the best president we've had in a while, but he wasn't great. His handling in Kosovo was sloppy and he held illegal no fly zones in Iraq for US/UK bilateral interests, and during his administration in 1999 the UK and US dropped enough bombs on Iraq to kill about 140 people according to the investigative journalist Jeremy Scahill.


lol, I am always careful to use that word.

GW would make anyone look all that much better.

George could make a Jenkem user look like a winner. Their breath might smell like an asshole, but at least the shit doesn't poor out of their mouths.

"what was it about the policies that gave us the relative competence, peace, and prosperity of the Clinton Years that did you not like?"

My biggest problem with Clinton was his utter failure to combat terrorism. Clinton does nothing and terrorism spreads. Bush does something and terrorism spreads as well. They both got it wrong.

I don't think what Clinton was doing in terms of terrorism was nearly comparable to the current administration. Yes, the dropped bombs in Iraq I'm sure helped recruit some terrorists, but not many. Al-qaeda had some success at that time, but they were small, and almost everybody in the middle east hated them. They were kicked out of Saudi Arabia and Sudan. They were pretty much forced into Afghanistan, the very corner of the Earth, and the only country that would except the Al-qaeda leadership. Then 9/11 happened and we reacted poorly to it. That's when terrorism spread.

My point was that Clinton should have gone after these people. When do you think the planning was done for 9/11? Clinton should have been going after these bastards. The sad part is, he had the chance and didnt. No pass on Bush either he went too far to try and change the dynamic in the ME. We tried ignoring it(Clinton) and now we have tried fighting it(Bush) neither one has turned out well. Maybe the next president will have a better idea than the previous two. I am not going to sit here and spin it so one is worse than the other, if you want to do that ,plum, than I would say atleast one of them tried, but both have failed the American people in a huge way.

Even though she's a malignancy on the political scene, of the three, I'd vote for her.

Posted by Johnson

Obama and Edwards couldn't ask for a stronger endorsement than that from you JoJo.

Corky's right in the sense that Iowa has always been too close to call.

Perhaps, this dip in her "inevitability" on a national level is an indicator of things to come or maybe just an anomoly or blip.

Spud's staying tuned here.

Be Well.

I completely respect your opinion SilentMajority, and your not wanting to "spin it" in any way. That's more noble than most of the assholes (myself included) that frequent this site.

Neither president was a foreign policy genious, I agree. Both could have handled the situation a lot better.

But the fact is that the Clinton administration was looking into Al-qaeda the whole time his administration realized it was a problem. They gathered facts and passed them onto the Bush administration. But the Bush administration ignored it completely. They weren't concerning themselves with Al-qaeda at all. Even just after 9/11 the Bushies wanted to ignore Al-qaeda and blame it on Iraq.

Clinton did have a chance, and did drop the ball, but his administration was being cautious about the situation, knowing that it would be a problem. It seems like when the Clinton administration passed on the information they had gathered that the Bush administration sat back and let 9/11 happen knowing that this would give him and his friends a chance to somehow get into Iraq and make some money. I'm not saying that's what happened, but that's definitely what it looks like.

"Perhaps, this dip in her "inevitability" on a national level is an indicator of things to come"

Posted by Dethspud

One can only hope, Spud...

What is Hillary's weakness to be President?

Just take her and her husband and decide if they ran against each other, who'd you vote for and why? They are not alike. The love affair is with Bill, not Hill. People forget that.


I listened to Hanitty talk to a Hillary supporter the other day. Asked for 3 things that were unique to establish Hillary as the one to vote for.
1 - Health Care Issues
2- Equal Rights (like no one else cares)
3 - She's a woman and it's about time.
Funny, # 3 was denied at the very beginning of the call as a reason to vote for Hillary-yet it made the top three.

Hillary's "slip continues unabated!

Two New Hampshire Polls Will Show Shrinking Clinton Lead

09 Nov 2007 12:02 pm

Two new reputable polls of New Hampshire Democratic Primary voters will show statistically significant drops in support for frontrtunner Hillary Clinton, Democrats who have seen those polls said today.

The polls will be released this weekend and are embargoed; though I'm not privy to the embargo agreement, I'll be a little vague out of respect for the polling organizations.

One of the polls shows that the gap between Clinton and Barack Obama narrowed by more than 10 points. Her biggest decline was seen among older voters.

The other shows Clinton's lead over Obama reduced by approximately 9 points.

John Edwards remains at about 15 percent in both.

marcambinder.theatlantic.com

And Obama picks up HUGE NH endorsement!

Barack Obama has just picked up a fairly important endorsement in New Hampshire.
Lenore Patton is the chairwoman of the Rockingham County Democrats and-- like every other party leader in NH -- had been relentlessly
courted by the Clinton campaign. Rockingham is one of the largest and most Democratic of NH's 10 counties -- it has a population of over
200,000, accounting for about 1 in 6 NH residents.

This endorsement, as all endorsements, isn't going to change a ton of voters' minds about who to support, but it does feed into the newly fashionable storyline that doubt about Hillary is growing in NH and her that inevitability is finally being questioned. (Lenore Patton's husband Gary, mentioned in her endorsement letter, is the Democratic municipal chairman in the town of Hampton, about 10 miles south of Portsmouth.)


www.nyobserver.com

Why The Hannity Right Wants Clinton

09 Nov 2007 02:33 pm

Time magazine:

A late-October Quinnipiac University survey underscored this point. Nationally, it showed Clinton being edged out by former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, 45% to 43%, within the margin of error. In red states, however, she ran behind him, 49% to 40%, and she trailed, 47% to 41%, in the purple ones. By comparison, Illinois Senator Barack Obama beat Giuliani by a single percentage point (43% to 42%) nationally but held that same margin in the purple states and came within 6 points (45% to 39%) in the red ones.

andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com

A USA Today Gallup poll published on Thursday suggested that in a general election, "Clinton has the least potential for winning votes from Republicans--84 percent say they definitely would not vote for her, compared with six in 10 for either Obama or Edwards. Independents show the least resistance to Obama and the most to Edwards."

Obama scores high in likeability in other presidential polls. He told the Knoxville man his approval among Republicans in Illinois was so strong that "if Democrats didn't vote in Illinois, I'd still be the U.S. Senator."

"During this past election season 2006, I campaigned for more members of Congress than any other person and probably raised more money more except maybe Bill Clinton," said Obama. "And the reason was that folks would invite me to places they couldn't invite other Democrats. I went to campaign for (Sen.) Ben Nelson in Omaha, Nebraska. He did not invite a single other Democrat to campaign for him.

"I've got appeal that goes beyond our party. And part of it has to do, it is not because of the positions I take are more conservative, but I do think it has to do with the tone that I use and people have a sense that I listen to other folks, that I am not trying to stir up and score political points all the time.

"I think the other side trusts me to at least be honest about how I am approaching problems. And so I've got a track record of being able to get Democrats and Republicans working together, or at least not generating anger among Republicans.

"And that's I think, going to be important in this upcoming election. Because we've got an opportunity, Democrats I think have an opportunity in this election to actually get the country to, to come together in a way that we have not had for a long time precisely because of the failures of George Bush.

"I think there are a lot of disaffected Republicans, a lot of Independents who are Republican leaning who are really disappointed and so they are willing to give us a chance. But in order for us to take advantage of that opportunity I think we've got to have to have a candidate who can bridge some of those divides. Ok?"


blogs.suntimes.com

"Let me ask you respectfully, Ben, what was it about the policies that gave us the relative competence, peace, and prosperity of the Clinton Years that did you not like?"

Corky,

I loved Clinton as a President most of the time. Everything he did was thoughtout and consistent. He respected the Constitution and worked within his limits of the Presidency. I could care less how many BJs he got. I wish we could have someone like him again.

But, when we have a Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton Presedency over a 35 year run in America it has become ruling dynasties. I believe this dilutes democracy. Also, the longer a person is in polotics the more baggage they carry. This is more of a problem with the system than from an individual candidate.

Just my misspelled opinion.

Thanks,

Ben

-Check that- 25 year run.

A guy named Vern let me borrow his calculator. Doesn't seem to be working very well.

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