I'm sure that Bush will sight this as just another example of how Congress has been wasting its time and not addressing the pressing needs of the nation, like rubber stamping everything he wants.

OCU

'bout
fricking
TIME

Did they also decide on Crisco or Vaseline as the preferred lubricant when bending over for the whitehouse.

REAL men use spit-and enjoy the pain.

Too little, too late. The Republicans have made themselves totally irrelevant and are accomplices of Bush/Cheney. I don't think America will soon forget who brought us the debacle of Iraq, New Orleans, the deficit, etc.

Took those gutless wonders in the House long enough.

Plenty of money for Bush's war profiteering buddies in Iraq but zilch for needed water projects throughout the USA to help Americans.

Maybe this is the start of Congress finding its balls...

or maybe not.

Maybe this is the start of Congress finding its balls...

or maybe not.

Posted by Rightocenter at 2007-11-07 01:10 AM | Reply

It's a mini political orgasm. It is meaningless if it isn't sustained.

Larry Mohr

congressional repubs are in a bad position
i they vote against the popular legislation like SCHIP and the water bill they risk alienating voters, if they vote for an override they risk looking disloyal and lacking in leadership
damned if you do damned if you dont IMO

your going to see a lot of "mavrik" votes from congress in the next year

Now, I haven't read the Water Projects bill, and from what I understood, Bush vetoed it because it was full of fat. True or no? If "true", what was the ratio of fat to actual meat?

If the ratio was low (relatively speaking of course), then I'm glad to see that Congress (specifically the House; Senate has yet to be heard from, as I understand it) dropped a pair and got to work. If the fat/meat ratio was ugly, however (as I fear it tends toward)... oh hell, I can't even say that since I didn't read the bill. Anybody have a link to it so I can look it over then?

Too little, too late. The Republicans have made themselves totally irrelevant and are accomplices of Bush/Cheney. I don't think America will soon forget who brought us the debacle of Iraq, New Orleans, the deficit, etc.

Posted by danni at 2007-11-07 12


ah yes sure young lady....

and you forgot to blame them for the end of the buggy era and the high gas prices and while you are at it, why not blame them for the patriots losing last weekend.

you make no mention of the DEMOCRATS who voted to go to war in iraq or the INCOMPETENT STATE DEMS IN LA or any of those other things...


but hey girl.......its okay......by now
we understand.

as far as this veto........okay so the hell what......its our representative republic working the way its supposed to......

of course thats really the last thing that dems want........to them the only way to go is creeping socialism...

We need to stop the ever increasing flow of money to big government DC...so the fat corrupt congress can redistribute the money. That is where their power comes from. They use favors, taxes and regulations to increase their own power and wealth. State money needs to go to state coffers so it's people can decide what is best for their state.

cant remember the last time a woman got me this excited......( yuk yuk )..you are spot on right.......


thats what the taxes are really all about....

when the dems start a program and raise taxes, they have control over you and that program.

national health care.....they will then tell you what you can have done, what you cant have done, and even monitor your behavior.......if their cancer bills are too high.....you will have to stop smoking.....and what will the left do when they start to tell you that you cant have sex with those animals anymore???? hee hee.

okay thats a little over, but you get the point.

""We need to stop the ever increasing flow of money to big government DC...so the fat corrupt congress can redistribute the money.""

This said despite the fact that the concentration of wealth at the top has never been greater. Once again the facts just don't matter.

"national health care.....they will then tell you what you can have done"

As opposed to insurance companies that tell you what won't be done, won't be paid for. BTW, BLT are you on Medicare yet??? Gee, I sure hope you refuse to participate in that commie program when it is available to you...but you won't. Hypocrit.

BLT,

"thats what the taxes are really all about....

when the dems start a program and raise taxes, they have control over you and that program"

Obviously you are too stupid to understand that the war in Iraq is funded through debt that will need to paid off in the future through. Gues what retard? MORE TAXES. You namesake, BUSH, lowered taxes but raised spending creating, DEFICIT. Fucktard. If you have a deficit you must get spending money from somewhere, China. FUCKTARD. Guess what the Chinese like INTEREST. More taxes will be needed to pay the principle and the interest

god you are a fucking moron.

Democratics aren't honest. If they were, then one of them would inform Furio that he is making a fool of himself in misstating the economic reality.

At present, the tax cut has INCREASED government revenue and the deficit is being paid down far in advance of estimates -- DESPITE THE EXPENSE OF THE WAR!

Don't you read the Washington Post and the NYTimes?????

They are trying to tell you that the economy is going to be a BIG Republican point due to the burdgeoning economy and the shrinking deficit!

The EU is reacting to the bad news with a literal war against the dollar and are selling off to support their future goalish victory in defeating the dollar!

My guess is that China is buying and sees a bargain. Indeed, I'll bet Britain's debt is more shaky than ours, or any other EU nation ...

Want to bet?

Our moronic "Fearless Leader" (think Boris and Natashia) doesn't give a thought to squandering trillions on weapons of mass destruction.

Mr. Waste, Fraud & Abuse is willing to do anything for the military industrial complex, but nothing for ordinary people or our domestic infrastructure.

At present, the tax cut has INCREASED government revenue and the deficit is being paid down far in advance of estimates -- DESPITE THE EXPENSE OF THE WAR!

Posted by tadowe at 2007-11-07 09:33 AM

Except that you don't "pay down" a deficit. Nice use of terms though, giving the impression that we are 'gaining ground'. Sorry, the NATIONAL DEBT is still growing and it will be our grandchildren who will really bear the financial burdens associates with the "THE EXPENSE OF THE WAR" when all those IOU's come due that Cheney/Bush have been signing (it's hard to believe now that at one time this White House was telling us that the oil revenues alone would allow the Iraqis to pay for their OWN reconstruction and security and that the cost of the war to the American taxpayers would at most be a wash).

OCU

government revenue and the deficit is being paid down far in advance of estimates -- DESPITE THE EXPENSE OF THE WAR!


Tad, give me a year when Bush ran a surplus-which is the only way you can pay down a deficit.Hell, give me a year when any Republican since Ike ran a surplus.

Bush has borrowed more money than any President before him. Even his most optimistic plans call for MORE, not less debt for a decade.

"The Republicans have made themselves totally irrelevant and are accomplices of Bush/Cheney."

The only difference with the Democrats is that they claim to be an opposition party. In reality, they've been almost as supportive. Warrants mentioning.

You know Danni you are one of the ultimate class warfare victims. Who the hell do you think creates jobs in this country ? Keep taxing the rich people that you envy and soon they will say f-off America and take their business/jobs elsewhere. They have !
Why do you think so many manufacturing jobs have fled this country...taxes and over regulation. Why do you think big tax states are now in bidding wars to attract business? What low income worker on the government tit has ever created jobs( other than social service workers) ?
You have to stop envying the people who make money . I wasn't a rich kid...I am not "rich" now (thanks to IRS). We have carved out a good life thru taking some risks and very hard work. Anyone can do it.

Creeping democracy, if anything. Another year and we may bring back the real thing. herm

I disagree with Danni's earlier post. The DEMS are becoming irrelevant as they continue to avoid making tough choices.

The National Debt existed pre-Bush (both) and has increased every single year. The Congress has never had a surplus that outpaced the interest on the debt, so it goes up every year.

As for another big spending bill?
Great, override the veto. But, will they fund it or discover the funds just aren't there?

I know! Borrow it.

Petrous-
The national debt has nearly doubled since Bush took office, but all of the sudden Republicans are fiscal conservatives again. Forgive me if I can't take your position seriously.

Vote Ron Paul.

I can't believe that our congress is actually considering spending money on Americans! This just won't do!!!

24Bil could buy the Global Corporate Fascist regime another month in Iraq on America's dime...

Wake up!!!

Now, I haven't read the Water Projects bill, and from what I understood, Bush vetoed it because it was full of fat. True or no? If "true", what was the ratio of fat to actual meat?

If the ratio was low (relatively speaking of course), then I'm glad to see that Congress (specifically the House; Senate has yet to be heard from, as I understand it) dropped a pair and got to work. If the fat/meat ratio was ugly, however (as I fear it tends toward)... oh hell, I can't even say that since I didn't read the bill. Anybody have a link to it so I can look it over then?

Posted by LetUsReason at 2007-11-07 06:57 AM | Reply |

I haven't found a good link yet, but what reading I've done so far has tallied up a potential 9 billion in extra spending. Good ole earmarks.

"The graph cheats by measuring it against the GDP."

1. It's the Whitehouse's data.
2. Debt as a percentage of income is called normalization.


"That's like saying:
I owe $100,000
I make $20,000 a year.
Next year I owe $110,000
I make $40,000 a year
See, my National Debt decreased - compared to my GDP."

So you doubled you income and failed to reduce your debt? Must be a Republican.

The graph says the national debt was a smaller and smaller percentage of the national income until that idiot Reagan came along.

So you doubled you income and failed to reduce your debt? Must be a Republican.

The graph says the national debt was a smaller and smaller percentage of the national income until that idiot Reagan came along.

Posted by Zatoichi
* * * *

Thank you. In the past four years I've quintupled my income and my debt has doubled. Am I going broke?
No, in fact I'm better off than ever. As long as my assets are growing by 15% per year, and my borrowing rates are under 7%, why should I be in a hurry to pay off my debts?
What's good for GE is good for me, after all. Why should they sell off productive capital just so they can be debt-free?
You must be a Democrat. Very few of them are any good at economics, or of managerial finance.

RIR:

Except that the government ISN'T investing OUR money. The government is SPENDING our money. So, it would be like me have debts at 6%, then doubling my income and debt, but pissing away that extra income on coke and hookers...

Reaganomics 101...

Well, not really. The government isn't able to segregate discretionary versus capital spending. So all the money spent on highways, airports, dams, bridges, aircraft carriers, national parks, military bases--gets lumped in with everything else.

Our fed gov't has $9 trillion or so in bonded debt. But it owns over $19 trillion worth of those capital items.

Strange as it sounds, the US government is in about the same fiscal shape as the average US household. Which is to say, pretty good.

Let me think of a good example of a big money pit that Americans won't see any return on... uh... Hmmm... Okay - The War: "Coke and Hookers"...

Strange as it sounds, the US government is in about the same fiscal shape as the average US household. Which is to say, pretty good.

Posted by rightisright

Problem I see is the college graduate debt. If you didn't have to pay your way, then you should have no debt coming out. Otherwise, tuition to repay.

But, when the average college kid's credit card debt is $10k-$20k plus any tuition, and then throw them into the public average US household - the US household looks might shabby - not pretty good. The those jobs aren't paying them to make their debt only 5% of their gross.

I read somewhere the average household credit card debt is 5% of gross. They've got to be kidding.