Too bad these people don't understand the intellect, the energy, or the vision of George Bush.

vision of George Bush

Oh No, now he's seeing GOD?????????

Ok I'll be the first to say it.

If you are unhappy about the direction of the country there is only one way to vote in '08. The only one who is really different, the only one who's 20 year voting record is consistant with his message, the only one that really wants change.

Ron Paul 2008

Phew I feel better now.

If Americans think it is bad now, wait till next year. Seven years criminal leadership are catching up to Bush.

I'm being serious. Why don't ordinary people recognize how hard-working, self-sacrificing, and brave George Bush has been?

Ron Paul 2008

Phew I feel better now.

I wouldn't. Party regulars treat Paul like a pariah and Americanus boobs will not vote for third parties.

Why don't ordinary people recognize how hard-working, self-sacrificing, and brave George Bush has been?

Seriously, that's why he has been capable of inflicting so much damage on the country.

Just think. Bush will have to retire owning a mere twenty million dollars. That would fund the Iraq war for just a few hours. After what he's given this country, how can we countenance such a thing?

I agree with Ray. Paul is disliked by the Right because he supports conservative values and not Republican ones.

I wouldn't. Party regulars treat Paul like a pariah and Americanus boobs will not vote for third parties.

Ray hope springs eternal.

Personaly I have never voted for a major party candidate for president, if by some freaky miracle RP does get the nod this could be a first for me.

I'm being serious. Why don't ordinary people recognize how hard-working, self-sacrificing, and brave George Bush has been?

Posted by Zed

FF for Zed

Hard WERK, Sitting, reading My Pet Goat while America is being attacked, AWOL, on and on.

I still want some of the stuff 28% of the U.S. has been smoking.

the real ass kicker is HE WAS RE-ELECTED IN 2004!

"not vote for third parties."

What third party?

Ron Paul is running as a republican.

"the real ass kicker is HE WAS RE-ELECTED IN 2004!"

Why does that surprise you? Looking back, the democrats have only elected ONE president since 1976. That was Bill Clinton and he only made it because of Perot. Indeed, he was the ONLY democrat to be REELECTED since FDR in 1940. Needed Perot for that too. Hell, he NEVER got 50% of the vote. In just doing a quick analysis, it would appear to anyone with brains that the democrats must be doing something wrong. It looks as if the majority of Americans aren't fond of the democrat candidates or democrat policies...or BOTH. No rocket science required here.

the real ass kicker is HE WAS RE-ELECTED IN 2004!

Ya, with fixed voting machines, Thousands of dissinfranchised voters being denied the right to vote. And all the judges in your pocket.

"(Clinton) was the ONLY democrat to be REELECTED since FDR in 1940. Needed Perot for that too."

Not true. If Bob Dole gets every vote cast for Perot, Clinton still wins.

"It looks as if the majority of Americans aren't fond of the democrat candidates or democrat policies..."

You must have missed the last election.

"You must have missed the last election."

I know you like to grasp at straws, but the comments were in regard to PRESIDENTIAL elections. I did notice in the last election, however, that the races were close and no screaming leftists got elected. I have also noticed how the slight democrat majority has made a HUGE difference in instituting new policies in accordance with leftist desires. The likeliest democrat candidate for president in 2008 has 50% of the voters saying they would NEVER vote for her also. I feel your pain, Danny, but I really can't see your cause for celebration.

Too bad these people don't understand the intellect, the energy, or the vision of George Bush.

Posted by Zed
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On the contrary I think they understand very well.

I guess what they are realy seeing is a democratic president in the future.

I'm being serious. Why don't ordinary people recognize how hard-working, self-sacrificing, and brave George Bush has been?

Posted by Zed
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I'm being serious as well. Hard working? Bush is the most vacationed president in history. Check the facts. Self sacraficing? Where? Brave? He is gutless by sending our men and women overseas for trumped up excuses against the hollow military of the then Iraq with trumped up and now known to be false excuses of WMD.

Just think. Bush will have to retire owning a mere twenty million dollars. That would fund the Iraq war for just a few hours. After what he's given this country, how can we countenance such a thing?

Posted by Zed
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I don't know, is prison time an option?

IMHO, it doesn't matter who takes over the presidency in 09. The US is going TU. And the crash of the US is going to take down a large part of the industrialized world with it.

The dollar is performing miserably on the world market and crashing fast. The Euro is replacing the dollar as the de facto currency of trade, most particularly for oil.

Gold is up over $800.

Oil is almost $100/barrel: just wait for the consequences of that when gas is $4 plus a gallon next year.

The US administration is continuing to pursue a losing war on two fronts that is costing 100s billions while the US infrastructure crumbles.

The national debt continues to increase, soon to surpass $10 trillion.

The trade imbalance continues to widen.

The US tourist industry is reeling, losing billions in foreign tourist dollars because the US is becoming a pariah due to US policy in the ME, this in spite of the exchange rate that strongly favors foreign currencies, specifically the Euro.

US industry continues to move its operations to foreign countries, causing massive job loss.

The housing market is rapidly crashing creating unimaginable corporate losses, including jobs, with worldwide repurcusions.

Consumer debt is at all time highs while individual savings are at all time lows.

The US is running on borrowed time and borrowed money.

It is my opinion that things have deteriorated past the point of retrieval. Remember the Great Depression of the 1930s. It can and will happen again.

But let us rather focus on the inconsequential lives of Lindsey, Britney, Paris, and Dog to entice, enthrall, entrap, and anesthecize.

Now returning you to your Happy Happy Joy Joy Network.

Not true. If Bob Dole gets every vote cast for Perot, Clinton still wins.

Posted by Danforth

Perot got 13% of the vote and everyone that voted for him was a conservitive so how do you figure?

"If every Perot vote went to Dole he would still lose because of Electoral Votes."

I'm sorry, Sniper...you were saying?

It is my opinion that things have deteriorated past the point of retrieval. Remember the Great Depression of the 1930s. It can and will happen again.

Posted by ZOT at 2007-11-04 12:43 PM |

Only much much worse. The specter that threatens this country was made in Washington.

"Americanus boobs will not vote for third parties."

Every time I say something about this, Danni will tell me that I'm stupid because voting for the winning side, regardless of how bad they screw you while in office, is what is most important. Then someone like Dethspud will tell her she's made a terrfic point.

I've always said that party membership is not in the interest of any voter but apparently the self satisfaction one gets from being on the "winning team" trumps real issues.

Nominee Bill Clinton George H. W. Bush Ross Perot

Popular Vote 44,909,806=39,104,550=19,743,8
21
Percentage 43.0% 37.4% 18.9%

I'm sorry, I got the wrong election and it wasn't 13% it was 19%

Oh BTW

39,198,482
+8,085,373
-------------
47,283,855


Clinton win..

1992, same deal:

Clinton
Electoral Votes: 370


Bush
Electoral Votes: 168

"92

Perot
Electoral Votes: 0.0

Every time I say something about this, Danni will tell me that I'm stupid because voting for the winning side, regardless of how bad they screw you while in office, is what is most important. Then someone like Dethspud will tell her she's made a terrfic point.

They're both stupid. Voting for either of the two major parties only reinforces the rot, the corruption and the incompetence.

If they bought a car that blew head gaskets every two years, they wouldn't think twice about changing brands.

If they bought a car that blew head gaskets every two years, they wouldn't think twice about changing brands.

Posted by Ray

Unless the rules get changed there are only two brands of cars that run.

Until the rules get changed voting for the third party is as stupid as waiting for the car on the drawing board to take you to the supper-market for a loaf of bread.

Article like this can be spun until the cows come home. The Poll I believe is important is the President's approval ratings. After showing some stability in the 29-34%, this last month showed a 5% drop, from 29%-24%. While many have claimed President Bush has the worst approval rating of any past US President, he's actually 1% above Trueman who has the worst at 23%. When he started his second term, I said it them, I thought Bush would sink to under 20%-At that time, I though it was because of corruption in circumventing the constitution, deliberately going into war knowing his rationale had no basis and because of what he's done to the Supreme Court. I don't think either party wants the country moving with such a religious slant. With Libby, Rove and Cheney and Bush involved with the judges firing for political reasons and the attorney general reigning in disgrace and Rumsfeld saga; I also see things going from horrible to more horrible. We are at the time when the rats start jumping the ship and looking for well paying jobs in the private industry-Bush wanted to have a great legacy and do his work in a way that would force following Presidents to keep his war going. I don't see the troops staying, but do see military spending being cut for programs that have been not thought through like FCS and a variety of programs Boeing is working on, but not providing any value added and charging the government.

"....the lowest public assessment of the direction of the country in more than a decade."

You bozos didn't even notice the last time it was this low....what year would that have been?

But your viewpoint makes you stupid, too, Ray.

Or tell us what you think we should do. If it's "hopeless", when did that start, and hasn't SOME progress been made from time to time?

You bozos didn't even notice the last time it was this low....what year would that have been?

Posted by ride_on

Ya, we had a GOP Congress trying to remove a sitting president for misdeeds that pale in comparison to Bush's.

Clinton left office with a 67% approval rating. If Bush leaves with anything above 50% I'll eat my computer.

39,198,482
+8,085,373
-------------
47,283,855

Clinton win..

Posted by Zap

With your fuzzy math.

Try old math
39,104,550 + 19,743,821 = 58,848,371

44,909,806 Clinton looses 58.8 million seems to me to be a lot larger than 44.9 million

I didn't think our education system was in that bad of shape.

But your viewpoint makes you stupid, too, Ray.

Or tell us what you think we should do. If it's "hopeless", when did that start, and hasn't SOME progress been made from time to time?

Posted by sitdown at 2007-11-04 04:34 PM |

You haven't the foggiest clue about how fast this country is sinking into deep troubles. War, hyperinflation and Depression, big time. So keep voting Demopublican. I know what I'm doing about it. You're on your own.

Try old math
39,104,550 + 19,743,821 = 58,848,371

44,909,806 Clinton looses 58.8 million seems to me to be a lot larger than 44.9 million

I didn't think our education system was in that bad of shape.

Posted by Sniper

The nice thing with an education is they teach you to put your source material down so even when you make a mistake it can be checked.

Given that where did you get the 19,743,821 figure.

BTW regardless the popular vote get trumped by the electoral college.


Thanks etc...

bad news for Rudy.

Hey Sniper, I found where you got lost.

My 8,085,373 was from '96

Your wet dream: 39,104,550 + 19,743,821 = 58,848,371 from '92 is still that and Bush still loses, electorial college.

The electoral college numbers are the only number given the system that really count.

An entire day has gone by and not one of you puckered prunes have bothered to respond to Zot's timely and concise post at 12:43pm. You're all still fussing like old hens about the skewed percentages of some ancient election like it still means something.

But Americans seem more content to surf the net for naughty pictures of some drugged-out starlet's freckled tits than face the looming specter of the unavoidable inevitability of soup lines and this endless fucking war with Eastasia.

Ray - don't you want to share "what you are doing about it"?

Being an anarchist? Planning a revolt?

Or just being sure that the worst is yet to come?

I can't be that pesssimistic, it's just too depressing.

I'm a liberal, for sure, but I don't think its all bad news. Nearly, at present, but not all. I would agree the USA's "greatness" is heading down a hill at this point, but it will take another generation at least before we are "3rd World".

And I have no wish to offend you, whatsoever.

An entire day has gone by and not one of you puckered prunes have bothered to respond to Zot's timely and concise post at 12:43pm.

Posted by dutch46

Indeed

Sniper before you start blaming FDR for the current state that Zot makes oh so clear let me point out Perot was very consistent in his electoral vote count.

feels like 1976 again. folks are fed up with politics as usual. vote in the "outsider". outsider has no pull. he gets a severe beat down. four years later the same crooks are back in control.

"But Americans seem more content to surf the net for naughty pictures of some drugged-out starlet's freckled tits than face the looming specter of the unavoidable inevitability of soup lines and this endless fucking war with Eastasia."

Posted by dutch46

Soup lines. Yikes!! I didn't consider that while wading though my doom and gloom. We can only hope that there will be enough stability remaining, and food for that matter, to even have soup lines.

I in a sense pity those who reside in the big metropolises of the US: New York, LA, Chicago, Philadelphia, Boston, Denver, Atlanta, Detroit, et al. It will be the worst in the inner cities.

"but it will take another generation at least before we are "3rd World"."

3rd-world status is a mere long-term power blackout away.

Yeah, I know, mighty grim and most pessimistic. I read far too much. Civilization today hangs by a thread, that thread being energy. Cut that thread and most of us here won't make it through one year.

"Until the rules get changed voting for the third party is as stupid as waiting for the car on the drawing board to take you to the supper-market for a loaf of bread."

The rules should be changed but they don't have to be changed. Bad habits have to be changed, that's all.

And the outlook is going to get worse, The value of the American dollar has declined some 34% in relation ot foreign trading currencies.

And the market, which should rise to compensate for the decliening purchasing power is instead going down. The extent of decline of the stock market is masked by the concommitantly declining value of the dollar. The stock market has actually declined to a poiint where it would be worth only some 2/3rds of its current price if it were adjusted.

And the effects of the subprime mortgage fiasco may not yet have peaked as the big American banks lose liquidity.

We are in a severe crisis, and there seems to be no one with the mentality to act. Everyone who should be ringing the klaxon is silent so there is no response to the emergency.

I suppose that it's not politically advantageous since "the boys" in the know, do know. Well the politicos have very limited backgrounds generally, confined to lawyering or other basically unthinking activities, so down goes the Titanic. Rearrange the deck chairs. They don't even recognize that the ship is sinking.

And a "liberal education" nowadays seems to focus on "specialty fields," such ridiculous areas as the impact of Thackery on lesbian thought. We'll pay the price also for the default deterioration of academe which has surrendered to political correctness and doesn't even prescribe courses necessary for a liberal education, leaving such a venture to unformed students without the information necessary to know what they don't know.

This should read:

Listen to Informed Democrats Next Time

We Fucking Told You So!

Oil is almost $100/barrel: just wait for the consequences of that when gas is $4 plus a gallon next year

$4 per gallon for gas should be the least of your worries.

The inflationary pressures being inflicted on the economy are being masked by the administration. Hiding them will work only so long. Oil has it's hand in everything you buy. Everything.

It is just a matter of time.

The value of the American dollar has declined some 34% in relation ot foreign trading currencies.


Gotta love the Euro.

The only good thing about the devaluation of the USD is that China pegs it's currency value to ours so they have to be loving the drop.