Stupid Americans, eh?

Did I miss something? Was the election last night? Or is this just Corky showing his infatuation for Rudy?

C'mon Corky - you gotta do better than this. I beat you by 2 hours on this one.

Hillary wins the South???? You GOTTA be dreamin'! Oh well, I guess it's true that..."hope springs eternal."

N/P Cork - I just knew you'd want to see it ASAP this morning! And plus I love anything that might needle the Bowa-ster.

Rcade is a bit critical of Hillary over on the Workbench, and with good reason: Hillary cannot win an election for president of the United States.

Biden would have more of a chance than Hillary or Obama; much less Edwards. The USA may be ready for a female president, but it won't be FBI files, I'll-take-billions-from-
business Hillary, let's let illegal aliens vote, Clinton ...

Why you Democratics keep shooting yourselve's in your socialist foot(s) ... I'll never know ...

I hate to think about what will happen to Corker if she DOESN'T win. Institution? Rehab? Lifetime Prozac?

"They must just be polling democrats or something."

Yes, that MUST be it! Otherwise I might have to face reality at some point.

-jestgettinalong et al

I guess ALL of the major polls must only be asking Democrats since the latest RCP average shows...

Clinton 46.1%, Rudy 43.8%

and

Obama 44%, Rudy 41.8%

Some idiot who thinks W is God has no room to talk.

What I find interesting is how far most Drudgies, right and left, are from the way most Americans think.

Some idiot who thinks W is God has no room to talk.
What I find interesting is how far most Drudgies, right and left, are from the way most Americans think.
Posted by Corky

BWHHAHHAHHA. Don't get out much, do you shill?

If 8 points ahead = "creams"

then what's the proper adjective for the 30 point lead she has over Obama.

It's all moot anyway, after Hillary's horrible performance in the debate -- she should just start wearing a Mets cap now.

Don't cream your pants too soon.

Other recent polls, however, have placed Giuliani ahead of Clinton in a head-to-head race. But those polls predict Clinton would beat Fred Thompson, John McCain or Mitt Romney.

"Other recent polls, however, have placed Giuliani ahead of Clinton in a head-to-head race."

Sure, if you look at individual polls. That's why I look at the RCP numbers I posted above. They take all the polls and average them - and the average shows Both Hillary and Obama 2-3 points ahead of Rudy.

"If 8 points ahead = 'creams'"

And yes, given the relative margin of victory in recent Presidential elections, an 8 point margin could certainly be considered a "cream".

"If you follow the polls and research results, you'll find Rasmussen to be most accurate."

Again, thats only 1 poll.

And yes, given the relative margin of victory in recent Presidential elections, an 8 point margin could certainly be considered a "cream".

That's not what I asked.

If 8 points ahead = "creams", then what's the proper adjective for the 30 point lead she has over Obama?

"What's the proper adjective for the 30 point lead she has over Obama?"

Substantial. But what does that have to do with this thread? Oh yeah... nothing.

"what's the proper adjective for the 30 point lead she has over Obama?"

Spin.

Spin manufactured by the spinmeisters.

If you put any stock into these polls, you're being played. (Gee, let's all pretend the pollsters are really paying attention to WE think! We're important! We're really important!)

...attention to what WE think!

"Substantial."

OK San, So an 8 point lead = "Creams"

And a 30 point lead = "Substantial"

LOL

"Posted by Bowa"

When you can't refute the story and you don't like the content, deflect the thread.
-- Bowa's Creed

Sunday, October 28, 2007
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The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows former Mayor Rudy Giuliani leading Senator Clinton 46% to 44% in an early look at a general election match-up. Clinton has a 47% to 45% edge on another Republican hopeful, Fred Thompson.

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Taking the average can be misleading.

"Taking the average can be misleading."

As opposed to believing one single poll tells the whole story?

Alrighty then...

When you can't refute the story

I can refute the story. And I did. I challenged the use of the word "creams" to describe an 8 point lead in a poll.

And based on your ridiculous answer above whereby you call Hillary's 30-point lead over Obama only "substantial", it would seem I won the point.

As for the rest of the story, it's a non-story. By their own admission the Pew research center said, "The findings from The Pew Research Center for the People & the Press remain preliminary, considering even the primaries are still two months off."

When the findings are no longer "preliminary" then I'll debate the substance of their assertions.

"When the findings are no longer "preliminary" then I'll debate the substance of their assertions."

Translation - I don't like the news so I choose not to even attempt an intelligent discussion, and to crow "victory" over the semantics of a headline.

As opposed to believing one single poll tells the whole story?

Alrighty then...

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I never said that.

There's a difference between average of polls where the leader stays the same but % points changes

vs

average of polls where the leader changes

Kinds of like a sports game were one team is always winning but the lead margin changes vs a game where the lead changes between teams.

- I won the point.

You have room for two of those atop your head?


This is the same poster who just couldn't believe that he wasn't the inspiration for the Ann Coulter is Gay? thread.

"You're so vain, you prolly think this thread is about you...."

were = where

"Taking the average can be misleading."

Or, if we must pick just one I'll choose Bloomberg at 47-41 Clinton. Heck, I'll even go with your beloved Fox at 47-43 Clinton.

"When the findings are no longer "preliminary" then I'll debate the substance of their assertions."

Yet somehow you have no qualms about debating assertions which show Rudy in the Republican lead, despite their similar "preliminary" nature.

Some people are missing the point here....

"She wins the South.

She polls evenly with voters who attend church at least once a week.

She splits families with a household income above $100,000.

She loses rural voters and men -- but only by a narrow margin.

All are constituencies Republicans have dominated for decades; George W. Bush won each by double-digit margins."

All people with a bad case of buyers remorse with GW and willing to vote for a moderate Dem.

"Some people are missing the point here...."

Some people are DODGING the point, Cork, because it doesn't fit within their comfy fantasy world built to shield against the crumbling facade of the "permanent Republican majority".

Some people are DODGING the point, Cork, because it doesn't fit within their comfy fantasy world built to shield against the crumbling facade of the "permanent Republican majority".

Posted by SanAntonioRogue

What point? That you and Corky are now predicting the outcome of the general election based on polls prior to the primaries? God, you guy's are good.

Or, if we must pick just one I'll choose Bloomberg at 47-41 Clinton. Heck, I'll even go with your beloved Fox at 47-43 Clinton.

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My beloved Fox? You think I'm a Republican? I'm an Independent leaning towards Obama.

"That you and Corky are now predicting the outcome of the general election "

"Some people are missing the point here...."

You can lead a moron to the point, but you can't make him think.

I'd take Edwards or Obama over Hillary any day.

"What point? That you and Corky are now predicting the outcome of the general election based on polls prior to the primaries?"

Uhm, no. No one is predicting the outcome of the election. Did you read the article? If not, then just refer to Corky's 11:36 excerpt. Clinton seems to be eroding a lot of elements of the traditional Republican base.

I found that worthy of note and discussion. Those that don't think its interesting, or choose to dance around the point of the thread, there are lots of other topics out there today.

"I'm an Independent leaning towards Obama. Posted by Pirate"

Then I apologize for the Fox crack Pirate.

If not, then just refer to Corky's 11:36 excerpt.
Posted by SanAntonioRogue

You know San, if anyone but Corky had posted that....

Would you not agree that Iowa would represent that list that Corky has assembled?

Splitting the Rethug Party would be good thing.

That's ok...it happens a lot.

If a quality 3rd party candidate came along this election, I think they would have a really good chance.

"You know San, if anyone but Corky had posted that...."

What difference does it make who posted it? Its a quote from the article.

And yes, I would say Iowa does resemble that list.

Corky hasn't assembled anything.

Except maybe some Hillary Hater stalkers.

That is from the article and the Pew poll.

Hillary Creams FOR Giuliani

They both suck.

misleading title.

am i ever going to hate the next election day as i hold my nose and vote for the MOST conservative candidate.

G-d help us all if these are the only two in the running...

2,007 adults polled hardly generates enough information to make this poll work for me.

"2,007 adults polled hardly generates enough information to make this poll work for me."

Right, because there is an actual science behind conducting polls and we can't have that, now can we.

Next time we'll see if we can get them to call everybody.

"The USA may be ready for a female president"

Posted by tadowe at 2007-11-01 10:08 AM | Reply

Sure, it is. But, should we elect the first "female president" just for the sake of reaching a landmark in history. We now have the first female Speaker of the House. She's pretty much a dud and many Democrats are dissatisfied with her. All those stupid comments about needing "a woman to 'clean the House'" seem even cornier now than when Pelosi said them. I think Hillary would be even more of a dissappointment, especially for liberals.

Looks like Hil isn't the only one with document difficulties...

"On Sunday, The Chicago Tribune reported that associates of the former mayor arranged to have 2,100 boxes of documents from his tenure at City Hall copied and archived before they were returned to the city. The unusual chain of custody - since outlawed by New York City - raises questions about whether documents were deleted or sanitized."

Also, Rudy's little slap at Biden for plagiarizing rings just a little hollow in light of the fact that less than a month ago the Romney campaign accused him of doing just that with lines from Romney speeches.

Next time we'll see if we can get them to call everybody.

FF. I love it when people have absolutely no clue as to how statistics works.

Hillary will probably get the Dem nod, and possibly bring Obama on as VP. Rudy won't get the Rep nod because only the more extreme members of both parties vote in the Primaries, and Rudy ain't sitting well with them.
The real question is who is Mitt going to pick for his VP? Rudy would remind the right of Mitt's abortion & gay rights flip-flop. McCain probably won't accept the #2 spot, unless he's prepared to assasinate Mitt should hell freeze over and the GOP win the WH.
Maybe Thompson-"Flipper and Sipper'08: More wives and more naps for all!"