Corky, Tony...

Discuss.

:^)

OK I'll start.


"If Hillary wins Iowa, she can practically start shopping for a running mate," said California-based Democratic strategist Dan Newman

Iowa has never elected a woman to any national office, so if she even shows there it will be telling.

Also, Iowa is a caucus. The first secret ballots will be in New Hampshire, which is currently polling her way.

All kinds of things could happen in the next couple of months, so she is no sure bet.

Obama might even start living up to his hype.

Given Iowa's history, it will be interesting to see how Clinton emerges. Since she had a slow start there, she could open the door a crack with a poor showing.

Personally, I think that everyday Iowans love to throw a wrench in the whole process to shake things up, and wouldn't be surprised to see Edwards win the caucus.

-wouldn't be surprised to see Edwards win the caucus.

Neither would I.

If Edwards wins in Iowa, then maybe the press will get off these "inevitability" storylines and start to focus on the issues themselves and how the candidates differ.

I think that Obama is going to have to show strong in Iowa and NH to maintain momentum.

Clinton Could Lose If ...

One major left-leaning journalist/pundits in the mainstream media turns on her and reveals the bullying tactics her campaign uses on the press corps to prevent any negative coverage.

For example if Frank Rich, Elisabeth Bumiller, Andrea Mitchell or someone else of similar liberal caliber, were to writie a scathing article which shows how Hillary prevents the Press from ever getting to close and asking the tough questions, I think it would snowball and the MSM would turn on her.

I think that Hillary is probably the best candidate the Democrats have to offer, but have real concerns about the backlash effect that seems to be percolating around her. I am going to vote for her in the California primary, but am afraid that the negatives will drive enough voters in the General Election to vote for whatever idiot the Ghastly Ol' Perverts put up, and we will have a repeat of 2000.

LCL-

I don't have the certainty that people like Rob and Bowa have about a Hillary backlash amongst the Dems, but the Republicans certainly hate her.

BTW, where's Tony?

I hope he's okay, since threads like this are like an open flame to him.

I don't have the certainty that people like Rob and Bowa have about a Hillary backlash amongst the Dems, but the Republicans certainly hate her.

I'm predicting a backlash against her because of the little jibes and digs that some left leaning reporters and pundits have been making in recent weeks - complaining about access to her, or that she is too packaged and controlled, that she never is in a situation where she has to speak off the cuff. I think the media is beginning to resent her for it.

Personally, I think that everyday Iowans love to throw a wrench in the whole process to shake things up, and wouldn't be surprised to see Edwards win the caucus.

I agree. Edwards has put all his eggs into Iowa, and if it pays off an he wins, the inevitability bubble around hillary will have been busted.

Personally, in my purely unscientific humble opinion I just can't decide whether Hillary is merely The Anti-Christ or is actually The Devil Incarnate.

Edwards is a loser; even if he wins Iowa, the nomination will go to Hillary. Everyone else should save their time and money.

Everyone else should save their time and money.

There goes that inevitability thing again...I am sure that Obama, Edwards and everyone else disagrees with you.

"If you're a candidate hoping to get past her, the time for nuance and veiled references has passed." said Steve McMahon, who advised Howard Dean,

What a great advisor! That's why we are still celebrating the election of President Dean!

Actually, the press is always ready to coronate someone early on -- they're just scratching around to find something 'exciting.' Hillary! will be the nominee, but she is so grating that a majority of people will not vote for her.

My personal, unscientific feeling is that a Hillary Clinton candidacy translates to a Republican in the White House. She is not a Progressive or a Liberal, she is an opportunistic politician and a manipulative tactician and strategist. Scan her contributors list, closely parse her position statements and you will find a startling parallel to the Neo-con support base.

Scan her contributors list

I have. I cut my Chinese food delivery guy's tip in half -- if he can afford to give Hillary that much money, he doesn't need any more from me. That kid must be rich.

:-)

I think that the Chinese connection could be really problematic for Hillary, and it is pretty clear that someone from the LA Times sure is running around sniffing at the contributions by all of these restaurant and dry cleaning owners to Hillary's campaign.

I think
Posted by leftcoastlawyer at 2007-10-25 03:01 PM

I think
Posted by Rightocenter at 2007-10-25 05:02 PM

I think
Posted by Bowa at 2007-10-25 06:27 PM

I think
Posted by leftcoastlawyer at 2007-10-25 06:32 PM

I think
Posted by Bowa at 2007-10-25 07:10 PM

No. None of you do.

Especially you, Lokininjaderfla5douchebg!

ItsLame-

Anything substantive to contribute?

I didn't think so.

Truth hurt?

I figured you would be the first dumb ass to reply.

Congrats, Douchebag!

speaking from a strictly conservative point of view - she will more than likely get the nomination, but not based upon merit. she has none and that is for whom the left will vote.

how do i know, you may (or may not) ask?

i come from a family of diehard, yellow dog, democrats - at least four generations (a large family with 14 kidz in my mother's family alone) and they would vote for hitler if he were the democrat nominee. they change not.

has anybody ever noticed the few who cross from conservative to liberal? but the opposite cannot be said? sometimes people awaken and say, "hey, wtf was i thinking?"

now, we have charlie rangel wanting to lower the wealth bar to $150,000 and you still do not see. may your "damascus" moment not be too painful.

just my humble opinion.

Right now--at this time--Hillary is the main favorite for the Dems.

The caucus is in a few months then the primaries start.

How left are the Dems in Iowa? Edwards has been campaigning there for the last 3 years--since the last election.

Too bad her negatives are so high--50%, 52% depending on the poll.

Her main appeal is to needy women or some such.

She is a socialist--ALger Hiss is her hero--read her book...

We'll all have to wait and see....

Murphy

Her main appeal is to needy women or some such

Posted by MURPHY at 2007-10-25 07:50 PM | Reply

Much like Rudy's appeal is to pant pissing little pussies who think that there's a "terrist" around every corner.

Ankles Up, Wench!

ItsLame-

Still waiting for the pearls of wisdom to dribble from your lips...unless of course those "pearls" came from Troofy's "casualty log".

Wipe your chin before going to the peace march, little man.

little man
Posted by Rightocenter at 2007-10-25 07:57 PM

And "to think", all I had to do was copy and paste two little words to get your panties in a wad.

What a Maroon!

LOL-

My panties in a bunch?...who was the first to throw out the gratuitous insult?

Still waiting for you to post something that doesn't contain the word "douche" or a sophomoric reference to sex.

Or is that too difficult for your encephalitic little head?

Look it up, we'll wait....

and wait...

Look it up, we'll wait....
Posted by Rightocenter at 2007-10-25 08:10 PM




Still waiting for the pearls of wisdom to dribble from your lips...unless of course those "pearls" came from Troofy's "casualty log".

Wipe your chin before going to the peace march, little man.

Posted by Rightocenter at 2007-10-25 07:57 PM

I didn't have to look too far.

It only took Two (2) words to throw a pud like yourself into insult mode.

Pussy.( Kinda like your hero "Duuuhhhdbyaa)!

I was talking about your brain, shitstain.

As for the first insult:

I figured you would be the first dumb ass to reply.


Congrats, Douchebag!

Posted by itsme at 2007-10-25 07:47 PM

Here's a tip, pinhead: When the big hand is almost on the ten and the little hand is on the eight, that is earlier then when the big hand is straight up and the little hand is on the eight.

And no, I am not talking about your re-occuring nightmares about your Uncle Boyd molesting you as a child.

Here's a tip, pinhead: When the big hand is almost on the ten and the little hand is on the eight, that is earlier then when the big hand is straight up and the little hand is on the eight.

And no, I am not talking about your re-occuring nightmares about your Uncle Boyd molesting you as a child.

Posted by Rightocenter at 2007-10-25 08:29 PM

Wow. What a flashback for you!

I do hope you got help and one of your revolving door "uncles" got a little prison time!

For example if Frank Rich, Elisabeth Bumiller, Andrea Mitchell or someone else of similar liberal caliber, were to writie a scathing article which shows how Hillary prevents the Press from ever getting to close and asking the tough questions, I think it would snowball and the MSM would turn on her.

Posted by Bowa



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Answer tough questions?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

B-U-S-H

Why doens't your head explode with all of the high-intensity BS that is stockpiled there?

Clinton could use IF.........

Corky doesnt' stfu and quit whining all the time and also if the country is tired of Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton (which it is)

She won't get it and I won't vote for her either!

I think the idea of Bill back in the WH has more appeal to her supporters than her alone.

For me it's depressing seeing her as the media appointed front runner. I'm a Dem, and I wouldnt vote for her in any situation. She's establishment, she's fake, she's manipulative and disengenuous. Other Dems that support her just leave me shaking my head.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

B-U-S-H

Why doens't your head explode with all of the high-intensity BS that is stockpiled there?

Posted by midiman at 2007-10-25 08:43 PM | Reply |
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Midi is so confident of his Hillary! support that in her defense he offers a lame duck president with a 11% approval!

Here's a campaign slogan:

"Hillary! doesn't suck as bad as the other guy who is not running for re-election!"

That ought to turn 'em out in New Hampshire and Iowa! It's I-N-E-V-I-T-A-B--L-E!!!!!

guess what, people?

bush won't be on the next ticket!

having voted for him, i cannot tell you how happy i am.

i will, however, vote for the MOST conservative candidate. that would leave the "hillbillies" out of it for me.

i will, however, vote for the MOST conservative candidate

If yer talking fiscal conservatives that means your voting Dem.

The Rethugs haven't been the party of fiscal conservation since Nixon.

Doesn't really matter how you vote anyway.

The fix is in.

Hillary Clinton will be the next President of the United States of America.

The powers that be have dictated it and now they just have to inform the dumbed down masses of the fact.

Oh yeah ...and then call it a triumph of democracy.

Nohing short of an armed insurrection is ever gonna change the status quo and most folk are too tired, too over-worked, too afraid, too under-informed, too fat and too complacent to ever act out in that manner.

Besides even if large numbers the Armed Forces sided with the people in such an instance the corporate warriors would mow folk down like Henry Ford crushing an early attempt at forming a union.

Face it yer hooped.

Kick back and enjoy yer rape.

Be Well.

"The fix is in"...? Oh well:>)



"Mercy and compassion are two very important qualities, but love is the greatest of all."

Hillary Clinton will be the next President of the United States of America.

The powers that be have dictated it and now they just have to inform the dumbed down masses of the fact.

Posted by dethspud at 2007-10-26 01:00 AM | Reply

This is cute, from the token Canuck who is allowed by Ottowa to jabber about such inane crap.

Such a bold name, DETHSPUD, but meaning nothing. He terrorizes taters from the Red River Valley? But spends his life suckling at the Canadian tit?

Politics in the Worthless Frozen Land of the North are so dull that the only way he can stay awake is to try and comment on the US?

Yowza!

Take a reality dose, Tateroid! Canada is a COLONY of the US. You are our whore. We are just nice about it.

"Mercy and compassion are two very important qualities, but love is the greatest of all."

Strewth.

When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity. -

Clinton Could Lose If ...

One major left-leaning journalist/pundits in the mainstream media turns on her and reveals the bullying tactics her campaign uses...
Posted by Bowa at 2007-10-25 06:27 PM

Do you think it would have helped keep W out of office 8 years ago? I mean, the Right telling the truth about him and his tactics?

Hillarity will be the candidate unless Big Al decides to rescue us from her... Don't count him out yet.

the voting map will look AWFULLY similar to the 2004 red / blue voting map.

Yes, you can quote me on that. The idea of a woman or minority in office is still too radical for the midwest.

go ahead, doubt me.

the voting map will look AWFULLY similar to the 2004 red / blue voting map.

I think that GWB has lowered the bar so much that neither gender nor ethnicity will play a major role. That's not to say those traits won't play a role, I just don't think that, given all of the compelling issues that confront us, the average American voter will let gender or ethnicity determine their vote.

Clintion could lose if any number of things happen, let's not kid ourselves.

Personally I hope thay All of those things happen, but that's just me. The idea of that female (please note I didn't say a female; actually I wouldn't mind seeing that at all) in the POTUS position scares the living hell out of me.

""Hillarity will be the candidate unless Big Al decides to rescue us from her... Don't count him out yet.""

Al Gore couldn't now enter and win the Democratic primary. Way too late for him. Polls show he couldn't beat Hillary even if he did enter and was willing to speak out on more than just one issue. Hey, He's a great man, I love what he is doing but this time around he has dedicated his career to Global Climate Change not winning the presidency.
Hillary doesn't have a Nobel so maybe they can consider themselves even.

CLINTON COULD LOSE IF.


imagine an x through all of that...

clinton WILL lose when........


people all over this great country realize the answer to the following question.

what has she EVER done that qualifies her to be the president of the United States??????


can someone here tell me..........she has never run a state......or any sort of business...

she can turn 10k into a couple of hundredK as long as she has her connections...

she can ruin the lives of women who blowjob ran with......

she can TAP thier phones and ruin their lives and then blame it on the right wing conspiracy...

she can get her hands on fbi files and fire anyone she wanted for little if any reason.....


but REALLY......WHAT MAKES HER QUALIFIED TO be the pres........is there some landmark legislation that she has authored or co authored?????

i'm not sure of the appeal of hilary, with her statements pertaining to wealth distribution and and national healthcare a disaster waiting to happen and her flip flopping on iraq, the only constant on that issue is that she isnt. now i understand that some people actually agree with taking more money from the few and giving it to the less fortunate as they are called. and i guess contrary to evidence of current programs, voters believe a successful and capable national healthcare program is possible. i think she is dangerous but i hope i am wrong because i fear she is the next president. i like most of the middle class in this country cant afford the inevitable tax increases sure to come.

Kick back and enjoy yer rape.

Be Well.

Posted by dethspud at 2007-10-26 01:00 AM


You're next....oopsss, I forgot you've already pulled yer train.

Where's death_pud? Him funny.

Totally agree! Could not have said it any better. Good God, Is there really that many people who support her or is it a mirage?

Midi is so confident of his Hillary! support that in her defense he offers a lame duck president with a 11% approval!

Here's a campaign slogan:

"Hillary! doesn't suck as bad as the other guy who is not running for re-election!"

That ought to turn 'em out in New Hampshire and Iowa! It's I-N-E-V-I-T-A-B--L-E!!!!!

Posted by vernon at


Sorry, vern, but Hillary is not my candidate - Joe Biden is. HOwever, as a New Yorker, I can remind people of this fact vis-a-vis the "She's too grating" remark. She won for Senate here twice, and the second time, AFTER people actually got to know her, she won OVERWHELMINGLY, even carrying most of the districts won by Bush. I think you guys need to hang up your stereotypes and stale talking points - the campaign hasn't even begun yet, and the Hillary that will run next year is not the same one who F-ed up the health care thing all those many years ago.

i like most of the middle class in this country cant afford the inevitable tax increases sure to come.

Posted by ihatepolitics at 2007-10-26 08:37 AM |


Amen.

Time to vote out the kings and queens of pork too.

-Corky doesnt' stfu and quit whining all the time

No more donkey dick for you.


In the early 90's Hil was considered more Liberal than Bill and now she is the "establishment candidate", lmao!

Well, she IS the Dem est candidate, and the moneyed-interests figured out early on she is the odds on favorite, but seriously, I find it Hil-arious how much Hillary-hating VRWC koolaide soaked into my Lib friends over the years, by osmosis one presumes.

She isn't Dennis the K as far as policy goes these days, but she was much closer to those ideals years ago before becoming more pragmatic and realizing the need for compromise to accomplish even somewhat progressive policies in Washington.

And as far as being grating, I really expected that she could be that when the debates started, but she has charmed much of America with an air of competence, something we haven't seen in a President for almost 8 years.

I think it is more than likely her rival from the GOP will be Mitt Romney, who, even though socially more liberal than your average GOP bear, will be the true establishment candidate.

midi......I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR A DEM AGAIN in national elections......unless lieberman were running and then I would think long and hard....

my problem with biden is that I like him......I think he could do the job......( again....IF There were no other option other than the list of dems running now..)
he seems to be the only 'genuine' person in the dem field............


and the LEADER ( its pretty much beyound speculation that the clintons run the party) OF THE DEM PARTY being elected in new york in any fashion is STILL not a qualification to be president........

"and the LEADER ( its pretty much beyound speculation that the clintons run the party) OF THE DEM PARTY being elected in new york in any fashion is STILL not a qualification to be president........"

His comment regarding NY has a lot of relevance, actually. What's lost on many people outside of the northeast is that NY does not mean NYC. Upstate NY (where I grew up) is, with the exception of some areas, pretty much a red state through and through. When Hillary ran the first time, she wasn't liked much at all upstate and won pretty much on the strength of the vote in NYC and Long Island. When she ran for re-election, she won upstate by a good margin despite the fact that most of those areas are strongly Republican. She changed a lot of minds in the rural areas when she turned out, apparently, not to be quite like the cartoon character she'd been made out to be.

The relevance of the comment is that she may well have similar results in other conservative rural areas as she did upstate.

I'm not a big Hillary Clinton supporter, but the fact that she's now fairly popular upstate drives my dad nuts which is kind of fun to watch from my perspective :-).

If it's Hillary vs. Rudy, there would be a tight race. But if the GOP hands the nomination over to scumbag Romney, the game's over for them.

Ron Paul is able to win over the anti war crowd, and the Republicans are smart enough to run him.

The first is done, the second.. well I haven't been to impressed with the Republican constituencies ability to be forward thinking and understand consequences of toeing the party line like they have with Gdub.

The primary voters in states that wont let democracy exist and close down primary elections to their club will likely elect another CFR member to further separate them from the ability to amass assets and keep them shackled in credit based slavery.

Wow. What a flashback for you!

I do hope you got help and one of your revolving door "uncles" got a little prison time!

Posted by itsme at 2007-10-25 08:32 PM

What was that? A mosquito?

Lame.

Back on topic, where's Tony?

I can't imagine that he is tired of bashing Hillary.

Clinton will lose the general election if nominated by the Democrats for the position. In many polls that have been done, usually 50% or more of those polled said they would never vote for Clinton the 2nd. Who does that leave for them to vote for in our 2-party system? Hmmmm...

Anyone but Hillary!!

Clinton Could Lose If ...

One major left-leaning journalist/pundits in the mainstream media turns on her and reveals the bullying tactics her campaign uses on the press corps to prevent any negative coverage.

For example if Frank Rich, Elisabeth Bumiller, Andrea Mitchell or someone else of similar liberal caliber, were to writie a scathing article which shows how Hillary prevents the Press from ever getting to close and asking the tough questions, I think it would snowball and the MSM would turn on her.

Posted by Bowa at 2007-10-25 06:27 PM | Reply |


Really? We currently have the "free speech" zone admin in the house ,and you think this is gonna do it? I'd say your kidding yourself... good joke though...

The bush legacy is gonna make it pretty hard for hillary to smell like a turd.

We'll see, I personally will never vote for her. I'll stay home before that.

The bush legacy is gonna make it pretty hard for hillary to smell like a turd.

Posted by KnightHawk at 2007-10-26 02:33 PM

But if anyone can, my money is on Hillary.

Thank God for the Electoral College. She can only rig New York, Illinois, and California.